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MrRodgers -> Egypt set for a bloodless coup ? (7/3/2013 8:11:56 AM)
Seems to appear so, doesn't it ? See the crowds ? (CNBC) Banks, businesses and the markets are all closed. Seems most coups are not but here are reports that negotiations are underway. Military coups are not normally negotiated, are they ? Reports are that the Muslim Brotherhood though doesn't want to budge and are challenging the military that if they want power, they will...have to take (force) it. Contrary to historical norms if there is such a thing, the military doesn't want to send in the tanks...as it were. Would say, a peaceful coup actually be preferred ? I am thinking that from all of my experience, this is the first even possible, military coup that would be aligned with the wishes of the people. What say you ?

Hillwilliam -> RE: Egypt set for a bloodless coup ? (7/3/2013 8:38:52 AM)
Soldiers are people too. Maybe the military of Egypt is taking their duty (to protect their citizens) seriously.

MrRodgers -> RE: Egypt set for a bloodless coup ? (7/3/2013 9:00:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Soldiers are people too. Maybe the military of Egypt is taking their duty (to protect their citizens) seriously. I think the military and not surprisingly so...is more secular. They saw the lies of the new govt. and the current and coming failure of Egyptian society. Must have somewhat of a functioning society to sustain the military.

MrRodgers -> RE: Egypt set for a bloodless coup ? (7/3/2013 9:31:12 AM)
Tanks are now on the move and talks with Morsi have been cut off while arrests have been made. Still qualifies as a bloodless coup...so far.

DomKen -> RE: Egypt set for a bloodless coup ? (7/3/2013 9:31:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Seems to appear so, doesn't it ? See the crowds ? (CNBC) Banks, businesses and the markets are all closed. Seems most coups are not but here are reports that negotiations are underway. Military coups are not normally negotiated, are they ? Reports are that the Muslim Brotherhood though doesn't want to budge and are challenging the military that if they want power, they will...have to take (force) it. Contrary to historical norms if there is such a thing, the military doesn't want to send in the tanks...as it were. Would say, a peaceful coup actually be preferred ? I am thinking that from all of my experience, this is the first even possible, military coup that would be aligned with the wishes of the people. What say you ? There have been a lot of military coups that had the support of the bulk of the people. The 1999 coup in Pakistan was both bloodless and popular with the people for instance.

BamaD -> RE: Egypt set for a bloodless coup ? (7/3/2013 9:39:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Seems to appear so, doesn't it ? See the crowds ? (CNBC) Banks, businesses and the markets are all closed. Seems most coups are not but here are reports that negotiations are underway. Military coups are not normally negotiated, are they ? Reports are that the Muslim Brotherhood though doesn't want to budge and are challenging the military that if they want power, they will...have to take (force) it. Contrary to historical norms if there is such a thing, the military doesn't want to send in the tanks...as it were. Would say, a peaceful coup actually be preferred ? I am thinking that from all of my experience, this is the first even possible, military coup that would be aligned with the wishes of the people. What say you ? Two late there have already been deaths.

BamaD -> RE: Egypt set for a bloodless coup ? (7/3/2013 9:40:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Seems to appear so, doesn't it ? See the crowds ? (CNBC) Banks, businesses and the markets are all closed. Seems most coups are not but here are reports that negotiations are underway. Military coups are not normally negotiated, are they ? Reports are that the Muslim Brotherhood though doesn't want to budge and are challenging the military that if they want power, they will...have to take (force) it. Contrary to historical norms if there is such a thing, the military doesn't want to send in the tanks...as it were. Would say, a peaceful coup actually be preferred ? I am thinking that from all of my experience, this is the first even possible, military coup that would be aligned with the wishes of the people. What say you ? Turkey in the 30's

MrRodgers -> RE: Egypt set for a bloodless coup ? (7/3/2013 9:59:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Seems to appear so, doesn't it ? See the crowds ? (CNBC) Banks, businesses and the markets are all closed. Seems most coups are not but here are reports that negotiations are underway. Military coups are not normally negotiated, are they ? Reports are that the Muslim Brotherhood though doesn't want to budge and are challenging the military that if they want power, they will...have to take (force) it. Contrary to historical norms if there is such a thing, the military doesn't want to send in the tanks...as it were. Would say, a peaceful coup actually be preferred ? I am thinking that from all of my experience, this is the first even possible, military coup that would be aligned with the wishes of the people. What say you ? There have been a lot of military coups that had the support of the bulk of the people. The 1999 coup in Pakistan was both bloodless and popular with the people for instance. Yea, I'd have to agree about that coup but the deposed govt. had been elected and much more popular than the gen. and his state of emergency and abolishing of the current govt.

Kirata -> RE: Egypt set for a bloodless coup ? (7/3/2013 10:03:09 AM)
~ FR ~ Live video from Tahir Square K.

popeye1250 -> RE: Egypt set for a bloodless coup ? (7/3/2013 3:07:34 PM)
Well, that guy Morsai is gone. I can hear President Pantload; "I was FOR him,....before I was against him!" Watch, now they'll cancel the number one t.v. show in Egypt, "Two and a half Imams." And "Dancing with the Shahs."

dcnovice -> RE: Egypt set for a bloodless coup ? (7/3/2013 3:12:31 PM)
quote: President Pantload The great thing about this phrase is that it's handy shorthand for "Here's a post that needn't be taken seriously."

popeye1250 -> RE: Egypt set for a bloodless coup ? (7/3/2013 3:15:04 PM)
DCnovice,.....you take the posts in here ...."seriously?" I'm just trying to flush out the Obama throne sniffers. (You know who you are!)

dcnovice -> RE: Egypt set for a bloodless coup ? (7/3/2013 3:26:54 PM)
quote: DCnovice,.....you take the posts in here ...."seriously?" Less and less often. ETA: When I first joined CM, I could read thoughtful, informed posts from people with perspectives quite different from mine. That was interesting and informative, and I rather miss it.

popeye1250 -> RE: Egypt set for a bloodless coup ? (7/3/2013 3:51:46 PM)
"Differant?" There's always "Mottertail." He's REAL differant.

Politesub53 -> RE: Egypt set for a bloodless coup ? (7/3/2013 4:13:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 DCnovice,.....you take the posts in here ...."seriously?" I'm just trying to flush out the Obama throne sniffers. (You know who you are!) Laughable claim...... You are still miffed because he won not one, but two US Elections.

DomKen -> RE: Egypt set for a bloodless coup ? (7/3/2013 4:26:52 PM)
I have this vague memory of someone once claiming to be a moderate independent. Of course that poster never wrote a single positive thing about anyone even centrist much less liberal or progressive. I also remember that poster proclaiming that he had voted for theocrats in several elections for US President despite being a military veteran.

kdsub -> RE: Egypt set for a bloodless coup ? (7/3/2013 4:55:49 PM)
Well was the recent election on the up and up or not? If it was an honest election then it is a coup and wrong. Egyptian's need to learn how democracy works... You don't have a revolution every time your candidate bites the dust. That would be like the Republicans having an armed uprising and the Marines taking over the government...not a bad idea come to think of it but wrong. Butch

PeonForHer -> RE: Egypt set for a bloodless coup ? (7/3/2013 4:59:09 PM)
FR Sigh. Egypt needs to sort out its religion problem. There just cannot be one half of population that believes in 'all or nothing' and puts that belief in a place that no argument and no reason can reach - while the other half doesn't accept that belief. Democracy, like most modern ideas, can't work in that environment. Yep, there will probably be (more) bloodshed. Bloodshed and strong religious beliefs are bedfellows - you never get the second without the first for very long.

Owner59 -> RE: Egypt set for a bloodless coup ? (7/3/2013 5:14:54 PM)
It`s an end of life thing, if you know what I mean.If you have to clean that mess daily, it`s always on your mind....

DomKen -> RE: Egypt set for a bloodless coup ? (7/3/2013 5:44:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Well was the recent election on the up and up or not? If it was an honest election then it is a coup and wrong. Egyptian's need to learn how democracy works... You don't have a revolution every time your candidate bites the dust. That would be like the Republicans having an armed uprising and the Marines taking over the government...not a bad idea come to think of it but wrong. Butch The Muslim Brotherhood took a play from American conservatives. They promised economic reform and jobs. They instead worked on social stuff like strengthening the existing blasphemy law. http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2013/0522/In-Brotherhood-s-Egypt-blasphemy-charges-against-Christians-surge-ahead The people of Egypt gave them a year and when it became clear they had been lied to they rose up in mostly peaceful demonstrations. The military then "suggested" to Morsi that a coalition government actually concerned with improving the lives of their fellow Egyptians might be a good idea. Morsi ignored the army. Not perfect but I wouldn't call it a set back until we see what the army does next.

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