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shiftyw -> RE: The real risks (6/21/2013 8:55:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder


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ORIGINAL: hrxxx

You know what, you can also use BDSM as therapy, I have more than once helped the girls to forget and sexual abuse in their childhood.

If a girl has been sexual abused as a child, she will typically have many thoughts and feelings about it, and there are thoughts and emotions she can not control, she wants to get rid of the thoughts and emotions but she can not, some go to psychologist for years and talk about it and learn to live with it, but they'll never get rid of it.

What happens if you use BDSM as therapy whether they are experienced or inexperienced with BDSM in basic the same



I personally would find you dangerous. Bdsm is not therapy unless you can show me your degree.




ditto this.
I consider your view of this really dangerous, exploitative even.




SeekingTrinity -> RE: The real risks (6/21/2013 9:04:43 PM)

Sounds like you ladies nail it on the head. Some lay person has ZERO business passing off what he does as some sort of trauma therapy. It's scary to me that this belief is held and I happen to hold a degree in psychology. Personally the potential to revictimize someone is something I'd worry about.




LadyPact -> RE: The real risks (6/21/2013 10:20:46 PM)

Fast reply........

Great. We've got another Whipthehip on our hands.




njlauren -> RE: The real risks (6/22/2013 11:16:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: hrxxx


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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

The other I have with RACK vs SSC is they both are aimed at largely non existant problems.

How many threads have we had here in the last year about first person injuries?

VS.

How many threads about emotional damage?


All this hand wringing over injuries that rarely happen verses almost no national attention on the most destructive aspect of bdsm, the emotional "accidents" that tear apart people's self esteem and ability to trust.


You know what, you can also use BDSM as therapy, I have more than once helped the girls to forget and sexual abuse in their childhood.

If a girl has been sexual abused as a child, she will typically have many thoughts and feelings about it, and there are thoughts and emotions she can not control, she wants to get rid of the thoughts and emotions but she can not, some go to psychologist for years and talk about it and learn to live with it, but they'll never get rid of it.

What happens if you use BDSM as therapy whether they are experienced or inexperienced with BDSM in basic the same

Previously, I spent much my mobile to chat or mobile dating, because I always have my phone nearby, and it is easy and quick to send a txt.

What happens after this first contact, in that I start to spin my sadistic web I'm always honest when I spin my sadistic web of who I am and what I am into, so she can see me several miles away

My web is filled is stuffed with imagination hopes dreams fantasies, some are from real life experience and some are not, some are fit to be lived in real life and some are not.

And what happens to the girl she is becoming more and more curious and she wants more and more of my web, and as long I spin on my web around her, she have no thoughts or emotions about sexual abuse, because I have complete control over what she think and feel.
In practical work my sadistic web with I send a txt in the morning with my sadism, so I'm sure the thoughts she has and during the day I send more txt, and she sends back, it usually happens 5-7 times a day.
In the evening me and her have better time to play ping pong with txt, and for some reason girls like to do this part alone in bed LOL and after a few months of spining every day. she is caught in the web and can not and will not get out, and she is ready to come and it does not matter where in the world she comes from she is ready!
And when she comes and i pick her up from airport, boat, or train, she is shy and nervous some talk a lot but do not make much sens and some is very quiet and nervous, but one thing ther is common for them all, is when they strip naked and get iron or leather cuff and collar on is ther only one thought in their head, and that thought makes their pussy so wet that it drips on the floor

After a play weekend and they have come home their thoughts on BDSM play, and on what they have experienced and learned, and they will get small flash from the play for a long time after, and these flash replaces the flash they had before the sexual abuse, the difference between the flash are good and bad memories and if they continue to seek good BDSM experiences they will crowd out the bad flash and it happens because BDSM is so strong an experience as it is. And the same happen to girls who have not experience sexual abouse same same thing

It is based on my my real life BDSM experience and not a fucking book
and I mentioned that I have never used a safe word in these weekend-long BDSM sessions.

I do not say this work for every boddy but for some.



There is a common perception out there that people into BD/SM play are people who have been damaged and that doing this helps them 'adjust' to having been abused and similar stuff, and while there are grains of truth to that, there are people who have experienced trauma and use this to work things out so to speak, it isn't a general rule.

While it may seem like you in play helped cure someone, I doubt very much you did, major trauma takes a lot of work and time to get through. My sweetie was abused as a child, and it doesn't just go away because you have done scenes with them, even with a trained professional using advanced techniques it takes a lot of training and time to be able to help people (note I don't use the term 'cure', therapy is a bit different than taking penicillin for an infection). I remember talking to our therapist when my sweetie was working through her stuff, and asking if it would be beneficial to do role play with her, and she was like "you don't know what could happen, what you would be facing", and over time I realized how truthful that was, when the shit really started coming out in therapy for her.

You might very well mean well, but making statements like this you are going to come off pretty badly. Even saying "it worked for me" is kind of arrogant, because quite frankly, you don't know, can't know, if you 'cured' these women, unless you have training to know what to look for and see the actual results. The other warning is you do this the wrong way, and you can end up screwing up someone even worse, or end up with someone going into a psychotic episode or worse. I am not a therapist or trained, but I know enough that claiming you can cure people through BD/SM play, or even have that as a goal, is a major red flag.




Charles6682 -> RE: The real risks (6/22/2013 2:36:57 PM)

If someone grew up with being physically abused as a kid, I doubt getting abused as an Adult would be "therapy". It really depends on the person.




Charles6682 -> RE: The real risks (6/22/2013 3:24:53 PM)

Even if someone was abused growing up, with real proper treatment, those issues can be resolved. When we become Adults, we have choices as to who we want to be around and so on.




lilcracker -> RE: The real risks (6/23/2013 12:24:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: shiftyw


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder


quote:

ORIGINAL: hrxxx

You know what, you can also use BDSM as therapy, I have more than once helped the girls to forget and sexual abuse in their childhood.

If a girl has been sexual abused as a child, she will typically have many thoughts and feelings about it, and there are thoughts and emotions she can not control, she wants to get rid of the thoughts and emotions but she can not, some go to psychologist for years and talk about it and learn to live with it, but they'll never get rid of it.

What happens if you use BDSM as therapy whether they are experienced or inexperienced with BDSM in basic the same



I personally would find you dangerous. Bdsm is not therapy unless you can show me your degree.




ditto this.
I consider your view of this really dangerous, exploitative even.


I second this childhood sexual abuse is not something you forget: trust me on this one




cutiewithabootie -> RE: The real risks (6/23/2013 1:09:29 AM)

BDSM for therepy isn't necessarily the answer for people with a past. I have a dark past and skeletons in my closet that frankly I don't like to discuss. I don't feel like its anyone's buisiness and I don't like the stigma that "I'm damaged so therefore I must be a sub." In truth I'm a submissive in spite of having a past. I have overcome a lot. And I was submissive before my past trauma had even happened.

I learned how to fight because of that trauma. I can guarentee you that if a dominant tried to re enact a past trauma of mine I will fight and his safe word wouldn't matter!

BDSM isn't therepy or it would be called therepy. Personally therepy didn't work for me. Learning to be stronger did.

If a person used bdsm as a form of therepy there is a lot of emotional damage that could happen. But even worse, they may have ruined that submissive for someone who really could have treasured her when s/he was ready.

Seriously the guy who wants to "help" girls but insinuates the girls live a distance away, you know nothing. If you are not sleeping with them under your roof, how on earth do you know if they didn't have an anxiety attack when they went home? Or maybe they were even more afraid of home and simply didn't say. How do you know you didn't provoke night terrors or other signs of trauma?

You only know what these girls told you. And frankly I wouldn't be arrogant that they would "tell you everything". I never lie to a domme but I request not to discuss things. And they can and will too.
These girls may have told you what you wanted to hear because they didn't want to cause you to worry (if they are truely that indebted) or worse, because they are afraid of you.

I know in your mind you may have tried to help but in reality you could have made things worse.


As far as the actual topic of discussion, I think that both have CONSENT when you look at RACK or SSC. I am not saying that one is better then the other because I play a little edgy. But I will say emotional scars do last longer but if you aren't the one going through them, then you can't see them nor feel them. They can be easily forgotten because the submissive doesn't have obvious signs. She has her head messed up but its not like when you break a leg and you see a cast or bruised swelling. I personally feel that Both styles of playing has its risks. But also some of those can be avoided by knowing your limits.
But to be fair you can also avoid getting hit by a bus by staying out in the country where there are no buses and where there is no traffic. You know that's possible but not practical or preferred. People will live in the city despite the buses. But they can minimalize their risks by paying attention when they cross the street.





OsideGirl -> RE: The real risks (6/23/2013 9:59:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: hrxxx


You know what, you can also use BDSM as therapy, I have more than once helped the girls to forget and sexual abuse in their childhood.

If a girl has been sexual abused as a child, she will typically have many thoughts and feelings about it, and there are thoughts and emotions she can not control, she wants to get rid of the thoughts and emotions but she can not, some go to psychologist for years and talk about it and learn to live with it, but they'll never get rid of it.

What happens if you use BDSM as therapy whether they are experienced or inexperienced with BDSM in basic the same


I would suggest you leave therapy to the people that are actually qualified.

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I mentioned that I have never used a safe word in these weekend-long BDSM sessions.
Not surprising since you've already proven that you're not the safest person.





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