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littlewonder -> RE: Change of viewpoint? (6/14/2013 7:31:24 PM)

I just thought of one change but it really has nothing to do with bdsm but yet it's part of it.

I'm pretty conservative these days. When I was young, I was liberal and wild and thinking anything went. Nowadays, not even close. I'm pretty closed minded about a lot of things and think lots of things are just so very wrong. When I was young I would go out of my way to do things like partake in volunteer work, thinking that if I actually was a part of something I could change the world. As I've gotten older I simply don't care anymore and figure we just need to add lots of chlorine to the water.




cloudboy -> RE: Change of viewpoint? (6/14/2013 8:42:06 PM)


First View: Is there anybody out there?

Middle View: I did not think this was possible.

Older View: Malesubs are behind the eight-ball.

Future View: Other items beyond kink are becoming more important.

Wisdom: Less is more.

Kink itself: Shared imagination is the key, especially if you can fold reality into it.




Greta75 -> RE: Change of viewpoint? (6/16/2013 5:51:34 AM)

More about SSC.
The idea of Safe Sane and Consensual to me is that you don't do something until you cause genuine hurt to the person.
I mean, break their bones or something. I know the lines are blurred, I mean, what if a sub's kink is all about breaking every bone in her body right? Then well, that's still within the consensual element. And she feels safe because it was what she wanted. I mean..., I could always tell when a dom knows what his doing and when a dom don't. I think some of the extreme stuffs executed takes real knowledge and skills without accidentally really killing someone or causing a permanent damage right?
I think there are many things where it can be very safe. The person has to know what they are doing.




Missokyst -> RE: Change of viewpoint? (6/16/2013 8:26:55 AM)

I have had the disadvantage of never knowing another way. So for me things have changed in the same way people change over time. I grew up believing I wasn't good enough for the white world in which I lived and not feeling I could ever be part of my own heritage. I felt alone among my friends and among my family. I believe that led to accepting things as my reality so that I could feel part of something. Marriage/slavery = acceptance/belonging. Over the decades that followed I learned it is better to be alone than be a part of something in which I believed I should be grateful.

My views on my worth have changed from being able to attract and hold spectacularly attractive men, as what defined me; to being attracted to men who were what I thought to be, beautiful inside.

I have learned that my perception of that beauty can be inaccurate depending on how well they can live a lie.

I am not sure any of my experiences over 3 decades would shock my base self. Though if I had known I might have started writing in ernest.


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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

I know for me, the way I view most things in kink is oftentimes radically different than from when I started.

What are views that havent changed?

Have your views on something changed more than once?

What change would most shock your earlier self and why?





chatterbox24 -> RE: Change of viewpoint? (6/16/2013 8:36:12 AM)

Flip, flop, flip, flop. Like a fish out of water. My viewpoints are forever evolving at this point. When I cant breath anymore, I flop back into the water, to where I am suppose to be.




lilcracker -> RE: Change of viewpoint? (6/16/2013 10:05:59 AM)

What hasn't changed:
Online has NOTHING on real time

Have my views changed more than once, of course, as I grow and change, my views change. I like stepping outside the box.

What change would most shock my earlier self, I don't need kink...because I felt kink was the most important part and all men with a Dominant personality needed kink so I had to go along with it.

Edited because I read the questions wrong. LOL




Greta75 -> RE: Change of viewpoint? (6/16/2013 10:12:50 AM)

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1. submission is NOT beautiful nor is it a gift, especially when I faced the reality of where it came from
3. D/s is NOT deeper nor does it require more trust than a vanilla relationship

That has not changed for me. I can't imagine a vanilla relationship being the same as D/S.
I can imagine being in a vanilla relationship, but I could never submit to a vanilla man. I definitely feel I will be giving alot more of myself to a dominant, than to a vanilla guy.




lilcracker -> RE: Change of viewpoint? (6/16/2013 10:26:11 AM)

Sorry greta but my man is very vanilla sexually, but he is in charge. He speaks, I jump and do as I am told. There is no punishment dynamic. I call him if I am going to be late and if I am running 5 minutes late he will call me and ask, where I am. He handles the money, even mine. If I go shopping I normally have a set amount I am allowed to spend. I know what is required of me as far as house chores and tasks for the day, sometimes he sets them but normally he asks me what my plans are for day and I am required to complete them. If I plan on doing something out of the norm, I do and am required to ask. On the other hand he pretty much does as he wants....like last night was one of his once a month night outs, he came in at 4 am. I had his clothes ready for work, and when he walked in the door I greeted him with a smile. He did not call and tell me he was hanging out with his friends, he just did so. I went to bed with no worries, because I know if something had happened, he would have been in touch.

And if you asked him what a sadist is, a Dominant, a Dom, a Master, he would probably look at you as if you were speaking some sort of different language. He even gets a bit edgy when I say, "Yes, Sir," because I am older but he has gotten more used to it, knowing it's just my way of being respectful.




Greta75 -> RE: Change of viewpoint? (6/16/2013 10:28:38 AM)

I just naturally couldn't submit to a man like that.
His vanilla, I'd naturally feel dominant with him.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Change of viewpoint? (6/16/2013 10:42:30 AM)

What are views that havent changed?

Not much, hell some of the stuff I used to take as gospel makes me laugh or just feel sad. I think that the only thing that hasn't changed is that I want an equal but I think the "how" of how I see an equal. I have struggled to answer this as I couldn't put into words my thoughts. I think to some extent the concept of what I want hasn't changed, a committed relationship with a wonderful woman but what that will look like, how I will achieve that, and the underlying details have changed. Not exactly a clear answer but the words aren't coming. I think because for me, trying to find the "why" behind my kinks, pushing to explore good/bad outcomes, and the other things doing kink well can force you to explore have utterly transformed who I am, not in the sense of becoming perfect but more shedding lots and lots of unwanted crap.

Have your views on something changed more than once?


Oh god yes. Take control. At first, I was your typical asshat trying to punish my way to a good relationship. That shit doesn't work. Then learning much better ways to shape behavior and gain control. Works far better but I pushed farther, explored myself deeper. Then I started seeing control in a much different way. As I explored my need for control, the emotional drivers that forced me to seek out control I began to see that, at least for me, control is both real and an illusion. Take a remote control airplane, you are controlling the airplane, however, you are only in partial control, wind, radio interference, battery life, hell solar flares can all affect your control. In addition, if your unconscious needs force you to "need" control, you are, in some ways, not in control of your needs. In short, I have come to see my need for control as a weakness, I still desire control but I am striving to understand and "see" that need and to find a place where I exercise that need to control only when and where I consciously choose to do so. Oddly enough, as I have learned to let go of the need to control, I have found more control of the things that I truly want to and less need to try and control things that don't need to be controlled.

Certainly, how I view submission has changed in parallel. I started with the believe that submission was in response to my ability to exert control. That view has changed any number of times. Various versions of "if I do this, they do that" and I guess I am at the point where it is in many ways of all those things. Being a man worthy of an independent woman choosing to submit, choosing the right partner, and creating something that is more than the sum of its parts pretty much sums up where I am at now.

What change would most shock your earlier self and why?

The above certainly but the fact that I have come to be something of a sadist and find joy in "hurting" someone, in the art of applying pain. That people do not have to manipulate each other, that real and total honest can exist, that one can control your emotions and reactions to them, that one can hear shit that hurts and hear it from a place of peace. And certainly from my earlierst days to now, what I saw as "real" dominance then is exactly what I see as the shallowest, weakest, and most insecure dominance now.




SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: Change of viewpoint? (6/16/2013 10:56:59 PM)

Its been a wild ride over the past ohhhh too many years to mention, the last 6 especially

What are views that havent changed?

That this is simply who I am. I was born this way. It isn't something I can change nor would I want to.


Have your views on something changed more than once?


Over 30 years...hell yes. I come from a small Midwestern farm town where girls went to college to get their MRS not a degree. I was "wild" from early on and refused to conform. I still do. I went from enjoying Bondage, to enjoying Domination, to embracing My power, to accepting who I am whatever label someone wants to slap on it. I plan to continually evolve and grow.

What change would most shock your earlier self and why?

This is probably the most recent revelation. That I don't have to be Super Woman. That it is okay to be vulnerable. That allowing someone to see me at my worst doesn't make me weak; it simply makes me human. That the deeper I love someone the more sadistic and more cruel I am capable of being.





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