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How quickly they change their tune - 6/7/2013 9:28:51 PM   
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Taking their hypocrisy to a whole new level, the biggest group of liars on network news, also known as the folks on Fox and Friends, responded with alarm and outrage to the news that the national security agency has been collecting the phone records of millions of cell phone customers without first obtaining a warrant, CONVENIENTLY FORGETTING THE FACT THAT THEY WERE ALL STRONG PROPONENTS AND DEFENDERS OF THE EXACT SAME ACTIONS WHEN UNDERTAKEN BY THEIR DARLINGS OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.

Thursday morning on their FOX News marathon of distortion, the hosts railed into the Obama administration, accusing them of abusing the PATRIOT Act with a “gigantic overreach” of executive power.

“What is the objective of getting these numbers and collecting all these numbers from all the millions of Americans?” asked co-host Brian Kilmeade. “Are they overseas calls? Is there terror activity? Is there reason to be suspicious? Or is this abuse of the PATRIOT Act?”

Steve Ducey, suddenly a self-proclaimed legal expert on the PATRIOT Act, went on to say that this kind of executive investigation is a violation of the Act’s section 215, which states that “You could go after people based on individual investigations,” but forbids collecting data from average American citizens.

As we have come to expect from FOXNews, and especially Fox and Friends, in their 2006 broadcast,s Ducey and other fox hosts were saying the exact opposite about NSA wiretaps.

During the authoritative rule of the Bush Administration, the host of “Fox and Friends” were public about their cynical nixing the term “warrant-less wiretapping” in favor of calling the investigations “the terrorist surveillance program”. ADDING INSULT TO INJURY, THEY EVEN WENT OUT OF THEIR WAY TO JUSTIFY THE PRACTICE.

On January 25, 2006, Kilmeade said, “Let’s call it the terrorist surveillance program. That would be a lot easier.”

Doocy agreed, saying, “And more accurate.”

“Yeah, more accurate too,” Kilmeade said. “IF YOU’RE FOR THE NSA WIRETAPPING WITHOUT GOING TO THE FISA COURT, I GUESS WARRANT-LESS, THEN MOST LIKELY YOU’RE REPUBLICAN. IF YOU ARE AGAINST IT, YOU MOST LIKELY ARE A DEMOCRAT.”

This is another example of just how treasonous and hypocritical Roger Ailes and his pathetic FOX News network puppets are when assessing the legality and validity of the reasoning and explanations provided by the Obama Administration, given the fact that THEY WERE DROOLING OVER EVERY SINGLE INFINITELY MORE EGREGIOUS OVERREACH OF EXECUTIVE POWER CARRIED OUT BY THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.

Not only did the entire network cheerlead the Iraq war, they were strong supporters of waterboarding, secret prisons, the PATRIOT Act, and even the Justice Department’s illegal screening of the political orientation of potential lawyers.

Fox Hosts Suddenly Hate Same Wiretapping They Supported Under Bush




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RE: How quickly they change their tune - 6/7/2013 9:33:19 PM   
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I wouldn't say they hate Obama more than they love America.

I'd say they hate any Democrat more than they love America.

Their mantra seems to be similar to what John Milton wrote in Paradise Lost.
"Tis better to reign in hell than serve in heaven"

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RE: How quickly they change their tune - 6/7/2013 9:41:03 PM   
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No...to some radical Republicans Democrats are Un-American. Otherwise they think Democrats don't match the values they believe are American.

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RE: How quickly they change their tune - 6/7/2013 9:41:55 PM   
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I`d say the right hates the President more or at least as much as our enemies do.....that includes the jihadists.

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RE: How quickly they change their tune - 6/7/2013 9:48:37 PM   
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Forget fox and friends. Do we really want to judge ourselves by talking heads?
If you really want to talk hypocrisy, I think there is plenty to go around. For example, remember all the liberal outrage when bush was wire tapping?

Where is it now?

Fundamentally, the question isn't republicans or democrats. Isn't it a question of - do we want our government tracking *all* phone calls, all internet chats - without a (real) warrant?

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RE: How quickly they change their tune - 6/7/2013 10:25:55 PM   
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Forget fox and friends. Do we really want to judge ourselves by talking heads?
If you really want to talk hypocrisy, I think there is plenty to go around. For example, remember all the liberal outrage when bush was wire tapping?

Where is it now?

Fundamentally, the question isn't republicans or democrats. Isn't it a question of - do we want our government tracking *all* phone calls, all internet chats - without a (real) warrant?




No I don`t remember this supposed outrage...


Can you show us some examples?


You`re lying about that.


As far as the government "tracking my calls"..they can have my grocery list and why I was late to work today......they can knock themselves out with that.....



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RE: How quickly they change their tune - 6/7/2013 10:39:09 PM   
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Let me see if I have this straight...Our wonderful President Obama was against the Patriot act, and all it entails before he won the office. Now that he won, he's all for expanding the act in all kinds of nefarious ways, and the talking heads at Fox are the hypocrites?

Hey Ron, does THIS meet your definition of irony?

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RE: How quickly they change their tune - 6/7/2013 10:49:28 PM   
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You are a policeman in the United States?

And when police instruct the public that they (the police) have too many powers, you would think they (the public) would listen.

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RE: How quickly they change their tune - 6/7/2013 10:50:12 PM   
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Where did the President say he was against the PA?


That fantasy alternate world you cons live in is getting confused with reality and history....


It was the torture and pre-emptive war and invading innocent countries and the hundreds of thousands of innocents killed that he spoke out against. That`s also why he won the Nobel Peace Prize....to the chagrin of our rightist war-monger-cowards.

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RE: How quickly they change their tune - 6/8/2013 5:38:44 AM   
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Let me see if I have this straight...Our wonderful President Obama was against the Patriot act, and all it entails before he won the office. Now that he won, he's all for expanding the act in all kinds of nefarious ways, and the talking heads at Fox are the hypocrites?
Hey Ron, does THIS meet your definition of irony?


It would be irony if, while railing against the Patriot Act, they were involved in using the Patriot Act, especially if they were actively supporting a program that relied (without their knowledge) completely on the part(s) of the Patriot Act they were decrying. That would be irony.

This isn't irony. Hypocrisy, but not irony.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/did-obama-break-his-campa_b_288112.html (article from 2009)

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/179/revise-the-patriot-act-to-increase-oversight-on-go/



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RE: How quickly they change their tune - 6/8/2013 9:19:29 AM   
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Let me see if I have this straight...Our wonderful President Obama was against the Patriot act, and all it entails before he won the office. Now that he won, he's all for expanding the act in all kinds of nefarious ways, and the talking heads at Fox are the hypocrites?
Hey Ron, does THIS meet your definition of irony?


It would be irony if, while railing against the Patriot Act, they were involved in using the Patriot Act, especially if they were actively supporting a program that relied (without their knowledge) completely on the part(s) of the Patriot Act they were decrying. That would be irony.

This isn't irony. Hypocrisy, but not irony.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/did-obama-break-his-campa_b_288112.html (article from 2009)

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/179/revise-the-patriot-act-to-increase-oversight-on-go/




I was thinking it ironic that the OP was calling the Fox peeps hypocrites while ignoring our dear President's past statements.

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RE: How quickly they change their tune - 6/8/2013 9:58:31 AM   
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I was thinking it ironic that the OP was calling the Fox peeps hypocrites while ignoring our dear President's past statements.

I am calling them hypocrites for ignoring their own past statements.

If it were right for President Bush to do something, then it is right for any other President to do so - even President Obama.




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RE: How quickly they change their tune - 6/8/2013 10:17:30 AM   
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To back up my 1st post:


Allen West On Eric Holder: "Worse Than Al Qaeda"



Folks, this.........is the current state of our rightists......and it`s going in the wrong direction......getting worse, going farther downward.


The only course at this point(well, it`s been going on for a while) is to peel away the moderate old-school republicans by appealing to their decency and shame, NOT to enable the lunatic fringe that`s now in charge of the righties....


As well, help the moderates form their own party so they can participate in politics again without being associated with white supremacists, separatists, john birch, the vice torturer, lunatics like west,beck,hanity,jones,limbaugh,taitz,palin,etc.

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RE: How quickly they change their tune - 6/8/2013 10:46:14 AM   
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I was thinking it ironic that the OP was calling the Fox peeps hypocrites while ignoring our dear President's past statements.

I am calling them hypocrites for ignoring their own past statements.
If it were right for President Bush to do something, then it is right for any other President to do so - even President Obama.


And, if it weren't right for President Bush, according to Senator Obama, it isn't right for President Bush.

But, you will aggressively ignore that.




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RE: How quickly they change their tune - 6/8/2013 10:47:30 AM   
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Let me see if I have this straight...Our wonderful President Obama was against the Patriot act, and all it entails before he won the office. Now that he won, he's all for expanding the act in all kinds of nefarious ways, and the talking heads at Fox are the hypocrites?
Hey Ron, does THIS meet your definition of irony?

It would be irony if, while railing against the Patriot Act, they were involved in using the Patriot Act, especially if they were actively supporting a program that relied (without their knowledge) completely on the part(s) of the Patriot Act they were decrying. That would be irony.
This isn't irony. Hypocrisy, but not irony.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/did-obama-break-his-campa_b_288112.html (article from 2009)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/179/revise-the-patriot-act-to-increase-oversight-on-go/

I was thinking it ironic that the OP was calling the Fox peeps hypocrites while ignoring our dear President's past statements.


My bad. I misinterpreted the target of your irony claim.


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RE: How quickly they change their tune - 6/8/2013 10:50:54 AM   
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Same shit/different wind direction




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RE: How quickly they change their tune - 6/13/2013 2:06:07 PM   
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RE: How quickly they change their tune - 6/13/2013 4:50:04 PM   
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To back up my 1st post:
Allen West On Eric Holder: "Worse Than Al Qaeda"

I agree... strongly. And I'm left.


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RE: How quickly they change their tune - 6/13/2013 6:10:15 PM   
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Allen West...this one term Representative is now a Faux News contributor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_West_(politician)#U.S._House_of_Representatives

...Several remarks by West have caused differing degrees of controversy. These include calling President Barack Obama "an abject failure", ordering both pro-Palestinian demonstrators and the views of "chicken men" Democrats to "get the hell out" of the United States, opining that drivers with Obama bumper stickers are "a threat to the gene pool", and pronouncing that black Democrats are trying to keep African Americans "on the plantation", while casting himself as the "modern-day Harriet Tubman" ferrying them to rescue.

In a critical summation of West's stylistic bombast, the left-leaning Mother Jones magazine opined that "[for West] every sentence is a proxy war in the larger struggle between patriots and the 'people in this world that just have to have their butts kicked.'"

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RE: How quickly they change their tune - 6/13/2013 6:18:34 PM   
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Heh... the fact that he's an idiot doesn't change the fact that Obama scares me much more than AQ or any similar organization ever could hope to.

<--- says the liberal. The reason I say that is because I AM liberal... meaning I don't believe in police states, corporatism, "disappearances", torture, and a handful of other things Obama is supportive of.

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