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katts3 -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/7/2013 12:35:36 PM)

Operation Overlord..It still amazes me to this day what a tight grasp IKE kept over this and of course all the false trails laid just kept hilter off balance..My father was one of the rangers that scale the cliffs to hunt down those big guns only to find them in a apple grove...I have had buddys fall at me feet ,no time to morn you just pick up and go on...Thats the American way...Bounty



BamaD -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/7/2013 12:38:05 PM)

Better everyone does what he wants but doe not pretend that the rest must do the same.
You need to learn the difference between must and should.



SpanishMatMaster -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/7/2013 12:43:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Better everyone does what he wants but doe not pretend that the rest must do the same.
You need to learn the difference between must and should.
I think the point is clear enough.



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/7/2013 12:58:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster
Do not change the subject, it is not about "remember", it is about commemorate exactly in the way that you want to commemorate it.

Actually, if you had bothered to read the thread properly, jlf has always said "remember" and it was Desi who first introduced the word "commemorate".

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ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster
So, again ( and I will explain this only one last time because you do not seem to want to understand): You are trying to impose your criteria, your arbitrary decisions and views, in an forum with many people who simply do not share them.

You can commemorate all you want, and nobody here is against you opening this thread. But saying that you EXPECTED OTHERS to follow YOUR view on this subject was arrogant and unfounded.

And, perhaps if you reflect on all of your previous posts to date, it is you that are single-handedly expecting others to follow your train of thought and response with little regard to most of the others.
Yet you do not see yourself being in a very small minority on these boards.

Pot, meet kettle! [:D]



calamitysandra -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/7/2013 1:52:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
You are right, this is not an American only forum.
Dday had brits, french, canadians, americans, poles and a number of other nationalities involved, and all those nationalities lost someone.
As for why to remember it, I dont know, maybe because it was the beginning of the end for Hitler and Nazi Germany?


It was quite an impactful day for WW2, that's for sure.

Do other countries commemorate it as we tend to do in the US? I can see how Germany and Italy may not see it in the same light as we do here. Granted, almost 70 years later, I wonder what younger generation Germans and Italians think of Operation Overlord.



As a German from the Rhineland, Cologne, I can tell you that I think of it as the start of the liberation.
That is how I learned it from my grandfather, who was in his teens at the time.
Most Germans in my part of Germany did not think of the US Americans as an occupying force, but as a liberating force.

We are thankful.



BamaD -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/7/2013 2:04:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Better everyone does what he wants but doe not pretend that the rest must do the same.
You need to learn the difference between must and should.
I think the point is clear enough.

Miss Franco?



jlf1961 -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/7/2013 2:57:35 PM)

It must be a military thing to remember the ones who died.

Most of those men who landed on those beaches were volunteers, who chose to be there.

Personally, I could care less if you acknowledge the sacrifice and men who died or not. It does say a lot about people who chose to not give a fuck.

Of course Franco would never have come to power without the air operations conducted by German "mercenaries" flying aircraft that were being maintained by German personnel. One Fascist dictator helped another to come to power.



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/7/2013 3:16:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

It must be a military thing to remember the ones who died.

Most of those men who landed on those beaches were volunteers, who chose to be there.

Personally, I could care less if you acknowledge the sacrifice and men who died or not. It does say a lot about people who chose to not give a fuck.

I don't think so jeff.
I think it depends on your personal disposition rather than being military or not.

My father was infantry. My grandfather was rescued in the D-Day evacuation.
Neither of them liked rememberance gatherings. They hated them with a vengeance.
They said that they did not want to be perpetually reminded of the sadness of war, the lives it costs, the friends they had lost, nor the crimes that invariably went with it.
And every time it came on the news, the TV was switched off until the news had ended.
They really couldn't stand it.
And for most people, there aren't that many good memories to be had from any war.

And I think your rationale about people who "do not give a fuck" is poorly founded.
If you want to remember the war, nobody should stop you from doing so.
But there are also many that do not want to be reminded of the horrors of wars and I think they are entitled to hold that opinion too.

Just my [sm=2cents.gif]



crazyml -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/7/2013 3:19:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

It must be a military thing to remember the ones who died.





Sorry, but that's a really silly thing to say. Civilians throughout Europe remember the ones who died, by marking the end of the war.

D-Day is remembered by many, sure, but it was only one day in many that saw a major operation take place.



Powergamz1 -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/7/2013 3:26:58 PM)

Anyone not blinded by xenophobia understands that D-Day is an international commemoration of an agreed upon significant point in time, a day when people from many nations threw themselves into the face of death.
Your illogical spin is at odds with the facts.


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ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
There is the minor detail of it freeing Europe from the Nazis, the fact that not only Americans landed there, little things like that. And don't tell me about the Russians, I know about their contribution but they insisted they needed the "second front"


There are the major details that the D-Day was not the same as "freeing Europe from the Nazis", the fact that many other nations did NOT land there or where on the other side.

Besides the other major points I already stated: The time passed (the liberation from the Huns does not count?), the different ways different people have to commemorate, etc.

So yes. Minor details trying to impose their view and attitude against major issues.

Better everyone does what he wants but doe not pretend that the rest must do the same.

Best regards.




Powergamz1 -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/7/2013 3:28:11 PM)

Is Franco still dead?


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

Better everyone does what he wants but doe not pretend that the rest must do the same.
You need to learn the difference between must and should.
I think the point is clear enough.

Miss Franco?




BitaTruble -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/7/2013 3:30:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

It must be a military thing to remember the ones who died.


Of course not but most US Americans do so on Memorial Day which was just a few weeks ago. I haven't heard of offering a moment of silence for the fallen of individual battles which took place but if that's something that you do, I think it's a nice gesture.



erieangel -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/7/2013 5:10:19 PM)

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Of course not but most US Americans do so on Memorial Day which was just a few weeks ago. I haven't heard of offering a moment of silence for the fallen of individual battles which took place but if that's something that you do, I think it's a nice gesture.



This.

I'm glad I read the entire thread before responding.

Why have a moment of silence to remember the fallen of a single battle when we have an entire national holiday to remember all of the fallen from all of our battles? It is arrogance to say "I've waited for someone to say..." If you want to say, then say. It obviously isn't as important to anybody else as it is to.

What I feel is important is that we remember the causes the past wars and battles that our armies have fought (all armies, around the world), and not just the fallen heroes of those battles that we chose to remember as important for some reason. To paraphrase a great man I'm sure I need not name, to forgot those wars will be to repeat them.




BamaD -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/7/2013 5:23:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: erieangel

quote:

Of course not but most US Americans do so on Memorial Day which was just a few weeks ago. I haven't heard of offering a moment of silence for the fallen of individual battles which took place but if that's something that you do, I think it's a nice gesture.



This.

I'm glad I read the entire thread before responding.

Why have a moment of silence to remember the fallen of a single battle when we have an entire national holiday to remember all of the fallen from all of our battles? It is arrogance to say "I've waited for someone to say..." If you want to say, then say. It obviously isn't as important to anybody else as it is to.

What I feel is important is that we remember the causes the past wars and battles that our armies have fought (all armies, around the world), and not just the fallen heroes of those battles that we chose to remember as important for some reason. To paraphrase a great man I'm sure I need not name, to forgot those wars will be to repeat them.



Remembering the fallen is remembering their cause.



Powergamz1 -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/7/2013 5:25:31 PM)

Siiighh...

The Battle of the Bulge doesn't get commemorative observances... nor Antietam, nor Ebro and on and on.

That might serve as a clue to some folks that there is a significant difference.



SpanishMatMaster -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/7/2013 7:16:32 PM)

No more answers from jlf1961 or BamaD ("Miss Franco" I do not understand, maybe it is a cultural joke, no idea).

Ok then, I hope the point was clear. I have nothing against jlf1961 commemorating the battle he chooses as long as he chooses the way he chooses., just do not pretend that the rest of the world should do the same. If he accepts this, everything is ok.

His messages to other people, it is better that I do not answer them to avoid an endless discussion, for example about the Spanish Civil War. It is another subject, if he wants to believe something it is his choice.



SpanishMatMaster -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/7/2013 7:18:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: erieangel
It is arrogance to say "I've waited for someone to say..." If you want to say, then say.

This.
But I hope the point is clear now.



Kirata -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/7/2013 8:10:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster

I have nothing against jlf1961 commemorating the battle he chooses as long as he chooses the way he chooses., just do not pretend that the rest of the world should do the same.

I can't find where he said the rest of the world should do the same.

Proof?

K.



BamaD -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/7/2013 10:07:12 PM)

Is Franco still dead?

As a doornail.



Powergamz1 -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/7/2013 10:28:37 PM)

Better notify Weekend Update...
quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

Is Franco still dead?

As a doornail.




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