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Hillwilliam -> RE: Gallup,New Study Confirm America`s Starting To Lean Left (5/27/2013 6:18:45 AM)

I don't think the country is leaning left as much as it's being SHOVED that way by the Bible Beaters who have taken over the Republican party.
When they say "My way or the Highway", most of the people in the middle seem to say "see ya"




thishereboi -> RE: Gallup,New Study Confirm America`s Starting To Lean Left (5/27/2013 7:13:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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What a crock of shit !!!!! This country has been going left since Wilson, one tiny tick at a time and picking up speed over the past 3-4 decades. Now it's full steam ahead. Leftists haven't a clue of what they're unleashing


This post is excellent evidence that those on the far Right of politics have no idea what the rest of the spectrum looks like.



Good point. Maybe if we could combine him with the OP we could get someone in the middle who actually thinks before he posts.





Owner59 -> RE: Gallup,New Study Confirm America`s Starting To Lean Left (5/27/2013 8:12:29 AM)


At least we think for ourselves and have original thoughts.....


Must suck always being on the defensive,never having any positive thoughts and always grousing and whining.....




cloudboy -> RE: Gallup,New Study Confirm America`s Starting To Lean Left (5/27/2013 12:40:57 PM)

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What a crock of shit !!!!! This country has been going left since Wilson, one tiny tick at a time and picking up speed over the past 3-4 decades. Now it's full steam ahead. Leftists haven't a clue of what they're unleashing.


I am overwhelmed by the facts, figures, analysis, and !!!! exclamation points. I suppose what you are trying to say is that we can spur economic growth through tax cuts, deregulation, and increased military spending all the while being able to reduce the national debt. History has shown the American voter that all of this is possible, likely, true and correct. The Clinton years were a total aberration. The economic progress from the great recession to today is merely a mirage.

For the good of the country, we need to reenact the BUSH policies again.




thishereboi -> RE: Gallup,New Study Confirm America`s Starting To Lean Left (5/27/2013 8:32:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59


At least we think for ourselves and have original thoughts.....


Must suck always being on the defensive,never having any positive thoughts and always grousing and whining.....




bleating day after day that everything about the right is wrong isn't original thinking.

Must suck having no reading comprehension and having to resort to making false accusations against others on a regular basis.

the last time you pulled this shit and accused me of lying I asked you to back it up and you conveniently disappeared. Not that I expected anything else.




jlf1961 -> RE: Gallup,New Study Confirm America`s Starting To Lean Left (5/27/2013 8:33:47 PM)

If they lean too far to the left, wont they fall over?




Edwynn -> RE: Gallup,New Study Confirm America`s Starting To Lean Left (5/28/2013 7:11:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
At least we think for ourselves and have original thoughts....


Really?

I've yet to see the garden variety 'liberal' demonstrating anything in the way of 'original thought,' much less any of them thinking for themselves.

That's what ideology, any ideology, is for: obviating the need for any thought process whatsoever.

'Liberals' (in the US, anyway) wouldn't know what 'left' is if it bit them in the arse. They have become nothing but a freaking joke.

Clinton signed on with Gingrich's legislation to cut off the theretofore educational provision of the Job Opportunities and Basic Skills (JOBS) training program with the (then) new Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996, which said: "screw your education, or trying to better yourself and increase your job skills and pay; we need more Molly Maids right now, so get to it!"

Treasury Sec. Rubin and his side kick Larry Summers were right alongside Greenspan as they kicked Brooksley Born in the teeth and stomped her to the ground because, as then Commissioner of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, she dared to raise questions about their full-on attack against any regulation in that market, all of them cheerleading Phil Gramm's Commodity Futures Modernization Act, along with the Financial Institutions Modernization Act, which, together, set the whole financial industry back by 70 years (hence the term 'modernization,' you see).

All the bought-and-paid-for relevant Democrats, Frank, Schumer, etc. were all on board.

The 2004 elections were supposed to be about rejection of the Iraqi invasion. So, what were we presented with as a 'statement' against that?

Kerry, Edwards (oh, please!) Hillary, etc., who all actually voted for the 'resolution' to invade.

Wow! Thanks! Viva la 'choice,'! "your vote matters," etc., 'blah blah.'

And what happens when someone points out (as I did) the hardship wrought by that financial deregulation vomited in our lap by Republicans and Democrats alike?

The blame-the-victim 'liberals' come out of the woodwork, that's what happens, tripping over themselves to see who could more quickly and more loudly spout the media's mantra of "used their house as an ATM," completely oblivious to the FACT that millions of retirees did nothing to precipitate the fiasco, those not even venturing into a re-fi, who were merely sitting in their chairs, watching their home equity and the principal of their life savings melt away as the stock market took a dive, and poor widows and widowers having their house stolen out from under them, due to aggressive mortgage brokers who literally foisted loans on them specifically designed to blow up in 2 years. Thanks to 'financial liberalization,' voted on by both parties.

How many responses to my post about the IRA allowing REIT status to almost anybody who has a mega-billion dollar corporation and takes the trouble to own two one-story office buildings, or a couple of three-storefront shopping strips?

None.

That's not an issue with politicos, even though it costs the country billions, amidst all the putative budget 'concerns' of liberals and conservatives alike.

But that IRS/teabagger thing, which has cost the country not a penny ...

Yeah! NOW we got sumthin'!

Just in case my meaning isn't clear:


F*CK! 'liberals,' F*CK! 'conservatives,' screw all the politico imbeciles.

The world can't afford your screw-ups , your stupid and infantile ideologies, any and all of them, anymore.

BTW, to all you cons: there is nothing, in any proper sense of the word, 'conservative' about reckless destruction of the domestic economy, and personal liberties. And to the politico liberals, I ask you: is all the destruction you voted for OK, as long as we put in some rider to the legislation that we throw some more pennies to the poor, after YOU gave what was theirs to begin with to the banks? "We must take care of the poor, because of others' greed." Whether we chose to take care of the poor or not, their number is increasing due to a broadside of political stupidity, which you are responsible for. Yes, YOU, politico dimwits, all of you.


That's the 'liberal' way: "we have no idea how any of this happened, expect that it must be because of greed, or something. We have no clue about the most basic economics, so it completely bypasses us that all the wealth is improperly distributed to begin with, even though we vote regularly for the co-conspirators who accomplish that, because it's just easier to say something totally stupid, like 'redistribute' than to actually trouble ourselves with actual causes, namely, our incessant voting for like-minded fuckwits."

However many faults the ideology of the late '60s had (and there were many), at least they knew enough to understand that 'the establishment,' especially the idiotic Democrats and their secular theology, were as much the problem as the 'hawks' and 'ultra-conservatives.'

I'll say it again: no current-day democrat or 'liberal' would know what 'left' is, or what it means, if it took a large chunk out of their collective fat ass.







LizDeluxe -> RE: Gallup,New Study Confirm America`s Starting To Lean Left (5/28/2013 8:03:25 AM)

You can't really deny the data in the Gallup Poll. It's sobering - disheartening, even - but it is what it is. When you factor in the average IQ in the US I guess poll results like this come as no surprise.




YN -> RE: Gallup,New Study Confirm America`s Starting To Lean Left (5/28/2013 8:04:27 AM)

I don't think the United States is particularly drifting to the right or left, but that the yardsticks most people in the United States seem to use, other governments in Europe are moving to the right. And to people like myself everyone in the United States, and the rest of the American republics who isn't a traitor and desires a return of royal rule is some type of liberal, either left or right. Nothing is funnier then hearing a US republican referring to himself as a "conservative" for either he does not know what the term means, or he is a reactionary.

But if a picture is worth a thousand words here are several "political compasses to consider -

US presidential candidates 2008 -

[image]http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/usprimaries_2008.png[/image]

Here are the ratings of the various EU nations -

[image]http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/eu2012.png[/image]

And here is a sample of the drift to the "right" over time of one country -

[image]http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/enPartiesTime.gif[/image]

Just because Europe and other "yardsticks" are shifting right, does not mean the United States is "drifting" left.




Edwynn -> RE: Gallup,New Study Confirm America`s Starting To Lean Left (5/28/2013 8:35:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

You can't really deny the data in the Gallup Poll. It's sobering - disheartening, even - but it is what it is. When you factor in the average IQ in the US I guess poll results like this come as no surprise.



How could this possibly be 'disheartening' to any "political conservative"? There is nothing resembling any 'left' anymore, hasn't been for decades.

We've been on the big downhill slide from Reagan onwards.

Nixon's proposed health plan was better than Obama's.

Almost all the Democrats in office nowadays are quite competitive with the Republicans in reflex ankle-grabbing for the corporations, WTF more do you want?


What do you want? let's bring Pinochet or Marcos back from the dead and put them in office of the president to set things straight?





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