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Master96 -> Rape 2 (6/25/2006 6:19:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mastersayed

and I thought this was gonna be something good about a rape fantasy


I don’t get how it works. How someone would fantasies about rape?

Why I would fantasy about forcing someone to do something against his/her will?

I would be glad to learn new kink.

Thanks,
Master96,



feastie -> RE: Rape 2 (6/25/2006 6:25:27 AM)

A lot of people have the fantasy, 96.  A lot of people enjoy rape play.  Just because you haven't considered it or would consider it doesn't mean it's not out there.  Just the time you think it's not, someone is doing it.



missturbation -> RE: Rape 2 (6/25/2006 6:31:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Master96

quote:

ORIGINAL: mastersayed

Why I would fantasy about forcing someone to do something against his/her will?

Thanks,
Master96,


Is this not a common fantasy for Dom / Dommes?
To force their sub / slave to do something against his / her will.



BBBTBW -> RE: Rape 2 (6/25/2006 7:01:53 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Master96

quote:

ORIGINAL: mastersayed

and I thought this was gonna be something good about a rape fantasy


I don’t get how it works. How someone would fantasies about rape?

Why I would fantasy about forcing someone to do something against his/her will?

I would be glad to learn new kink.

Thanks,
Master96,


Master96,

I have seen a few of your posts on here and read your profile and it seems that you are quite a newbie and have lots of basic questions.  I find it refreshing that you are open and honest about the things you don't know and ask questions about them. 

When I was a newbie and had lots of questions, I submitted (yes, submitted) myself to a DOMINANT for training to learn the lifestyle from the side of a sub.  This was invaluable to me because not only did I learn the basiscs that I had questions about but I feel I am a better DOMINANT because of it.  This is something you might try.  If you don't want to submit yourself, why don't you try finding a local mentor that will let you "practice" your budding craft on his/her subs/slaves



Master96 -> RE: Rape 2 (6/25/2006 7:39:24 AM)

Dear BBBTBW,

Thank you very much.

quote:



it seems that you are quite a newbie and have lots of basic questions


Well, that’s why I joined CM; especially there aren’t any lifestyle clubs or any other communities regarding BDSM here in Jordan.

On the other hand, I don’t see myself submitting. No offence to sub-males. But I would consider a mentor… maybe when I arrive to Canada lol

Again thanks everyone for the time posting on this thread.
Master96,




darkinshadows -> RE: Rape 2 (6/25/2006 8:17:20 AM)

There are a few interersting threads (one quite recent) on the subject of 'rape play'.  I hope these may assist for some interesting reading.
 
 
 
 
 
Peace and Rapture



angelalways -> RE: Rape 2 (6/25/2006 8:35:42 AM)

Hi M96,

As a relative newbie myself it is really nice to see explorative, interesting and relevent posts....so from a subs point of view I will give you my take on rape fantasies......
I think rape fantasies are my longest held and favourite of all my fantasies....I have thought about this long and hard, because when I was younger and before I really understood my sexuality, it used to really scare me.
I think its not so much about the sex, but more about the power and the fact that in my mind I can totally absolve myself from any feelings of guilt or responsibility...'he made me do it'.....
I would also add that as much as I love this FANTASY that is all it will ever be, baring play rape it is one of the ones I would never care to translate into reality.
If you are interested in finding out more I would definatly recommend Nancy Fridays book My Secret Garden......it will really help you to understand further.

Hope this helps....Brightest Blessings....

angel.



LokisBrat -> RE: Rape 2 (6/25/2006 8:57:04 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Master96

quote:

ORIGINAL: mastersayed

and I thought this was gonna be something good about a rape fantasy


I don’t get how it works. How someone would fantasies about rape?

Why I would fantasy about forcing someone to do something against his/her will?

I would be glad to learn new kink.

Thanks,
Master96,


The fantasy is exactly that.  There are no safe words to stop, there are no emotional connections.  Rape is about having power over someone else.  I personally would never go down this road, but do like the fantasy world of it.  Key word being fantasy, meaning nobody is traumatized or harmed, except for in my sick little twisted mind.

LOKI



amayos -> RE: Rape 2 (6/25/2006 9:00:37 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Master96

Why I would fantasize about forcing someone to do something against his/her will [rape]?



Forced mating is an ancient instinct in the animal world. Rape is in fact an alternate (primarily male) reproductive stratagem seen throughout nature's motif: you will not give me access to your eggs, therefore I will make you.

The reality of rape is terrifying for the female. In reptilian terms, the removal of her power of mate selection may lend to a great deal of time and resources spent in reproductive disaster. In that rape is such a traumatic possibility, it is a deeply seated instinctual fear. It is evident that the psychology of human fantasy has a very close relationship with fear and sex. I believe that somewhere in our evolutionary memory fear and sex and violence are intimately connected, and for more reasons than just one. I believe urges and or fears of sexual capture and rape come from a very old place of our being, which merges quite interestingly with our cerebral state.



LokisBrat -> RE: Rape 2 (6/25/2006 9:35:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: amayos


quote:

ORIGINAL: Master96

Why I would fantasize about forcing someone to do something against his/her will [rape]?



Forced mating is an ancient instinct in the animal world. Rape is in fact an alternate (primarily male) reproductive stratagem seen throughout nature's motif: you will not give me access to your eggs, therefore I will make you.

The reality of rape is terrifying for the female. In reptilian terms, the removal of her power of mate selection may lend to a great deal of time and resources spent in reproductive disaster. In that rape is such a traumatic possibility, it is a deeply seated instinctual fear. It is evident that the psychology of human fantasy has a very close relationship with fear and sex. I believe that somewhere in our evolutionary memory fear and sex and violence are intimately connected, and for more reasons than just one. I believe urges and or fears of sexual capture and rape come from a very old place of our being, which merges quite interestingly with our cerebral state.


This would explain the desire to drag her by the hair into the cave eh?   Very well explained  post.

LOKI



caitlyn -> RE: Rape 2 (6/25/2006 10:49:09 AM)

Rape play and rape fantasy are just names for a type of roleplay activity. The moment concent is attached, it's no longer rape ... obviously.
 
The lifestyle is full of names for things that are designed to shock on one hand, and challenge open mindedness, on the other. I'm not sure why ... perhaps long time lifestylers like John Warren, or Merc, will have that answer.



JohnWarren -> RE: Rape 2 (6/25/2006 11:31:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn
The lifestyle is full of names for things that are designed to shock on one hand, and challenge open mindedness, on the other. I'm not sure why ... perhaps long time lifestylers like John Warren, or Merc, will have that answer.


I can't give a universal answer, but my take on it was since what we were doing was consensual, we just called it by the common name: rape, torture, kidnapping.   We knew what we were doing in the sense that the parties had consented, and we weren't talking about it to vanillas so there wasn't the present need to count angels in pinheads.



MistressOfGa -> RE: Rape 2 (6/25/2006 11:45:20 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LokisBrat

quote:

ORIGINAL: Master96

quote:

ORIGINAL: mastersayed

and I thought this was gonna be something good about a rape fantasy


I don’t get how it works. How someone would fantasies about rape?

Why I would fantasy about forcing someone to do something against his/her will?

I would be glad to learn new kink.

Thanks,
Master96,


The fantasy is exactly that.  There are no safe words to stop, there are no emotional connections.  Rape is about having power over someone else.  I personally would never go down this road, but do like the fantasy world of it.  Key word being fantasy, meaning nobody is traumatized or harmed, except for in my sick little twisted mind.

LOKI



Hi Loki,
With regards to "safe words", there are actually words that one can use to try to stop your partner.
 
Help!
Police!
Fire!
Rape!
 
These are all words in reality that a rape victim may scream while being raped. When I was raped, I didnt mutter a sound, but that was me.
 
Of course, make sure that you and your partner are in a place that is private, or someone may very well call the police.



LokisBrat -> RE: Rape 2 (6/25/2006 12:29:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

quote:

ORIGINAL: LokisBrat

quote:

ORIGINAL: Master96

quote:

ORIGINAL: mastersayed

and I thought this was gonna be something good about a rape fantasy


I don’t get how it works. How someone would fantasies about rape?

Why I would fantasy about forcing someone to do something against his/her will?

I would be glad to learn new kink.

Thanks,
Master96,


The fantasy is exactly that.  There are no safe words to stop, there are no emotional connections.  Rape is about having power over someone else.  I personally would never go down this road, but do like the fantasy world of it.  Key word being fantasy, meaning nobody is traumatized or harmed, except for in my sick little twisted mind.

LOKI



Hi Loki,
With regards to "safe words", there are actually words that one can use to try to stop your partner.
 
Help!
Police!
Fire!
Rape!
 
These are all words in reality that a rape victim may scream while being raped. When I was raped, I didnt mutter a sound, but that was me.
 
Of course, make sure that you and your partner are in a place that is private, or someone may very well call the police.



Let me clarify myself.  What I ment was in my fantasy world, my sub would not have the ability to use the safe word for reaching hard limits.  The words you mentioned are all indeed valid, however I would never play with my brat, or anyone else for that matter, without some sort of saftey net in place.  Hope this has brought some high clarity.

LOKI



slavejlb -> RE: Rape 2 (6/25/2006 12:54:31 PM)

Greetings sir
from a person who once wrote of such stories and had such dreams. The reason for a person being involved in such a heavy scene, that if done right it is that ultime adrealine rush, the not knowing when or where. as some would put it, " it is a true brain "f" that if played out right can be more then just sex. it can invloved bondage, some medical play, all mental games you can picture.
take care and be safe
slave jlb



Caretakr -> RE: Rape 2 (6/25/2006 12:55:54 PM)

 Do as you both see fit, within negotiation.

A good safeword, that is difficult to ignore, is "civil lawsuit".



Nosathro -> RE: Rape 2 (6/25/2006 1:14:34 PM)

Tal and greetings
 
Being Gorean and such, a few of the books do cover kidnapping and rape.  Something like the recent Pet movie.  I have had the experience of a woman desire to be taken like a on a Voyage of Acquistion.  Yes, I did make sure this was what she wanted, involved a mutual friend on this so it was clear from the start this was roleplay, made sure want activities were permited and yes..safe words were given.  I must say after alot of planning we all enjoyed it, but alot had to do with the planing.
 
I wish you well
 
Nosathro



gypsyssoul -> RE: Rape 2 (6/25/2006 1:18:38 PM)

:: blessings to you as well angel ..
and you took my words from me ...
:: smiles
quote:

I think rape fantasies are my longest held and favourite of all my fantasies....I have thought about this long and hard, because when I was younger and before I really understood my sexuality, it used to really scare me.
I think its not so much about the sex, but more about the power and the fact that in my mind I can totally absolve myself from any feelings of guilt or responsibility...'he made me do it'.....
but i did act on it ... and with the right person
and alot of communication
it can be . .. very very .. wonderful ..
i just wanted to add
i agree the whole ...
"its not my fault"
and the no guilt over liking it .. cause that part
the control part is taken away ...
i think alot of woman have had a dream about it
i know most of my friends have talked of it ...
well
:: crawls back to the corner to watch forums again
 



jadenth -> RE: Rape 2 (6/25/2006 1:43:00 PM)

I can offer this much.  I have a secondary paly partner whom does have this fantasy and she asked me to come up with a scene regarding this said fantasy. I have done this once with her, and while she liked it, she had told me that it was not stimulating enough for her. So the next time we play, if it does indeed happen, she will have a new side of me come out. I wish i could answer more for you, but like the others have said, this is something that is out there and it does manifest itself sometimes.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Master96

quote:

ORIGINAL: mastersayed

and I thought this was gonna be something good about a rape fantasy


I don’t get how it works. How someone would fantasies about rape?

Why I would fantasy about forcing someone to do something against his/her will?

I would be glad to learn new kink.

Thanks,
Master96,



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Rape 2 (6/25/2006 9:24:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Master96
I don’t get how it works. How someone would fantasies about rape?

Why I would fantasy about forcing someone to do something against his/her will?

I would be glad to learn new kink.

Thanks,
Master96,

I have no idea either.  I just know that before I found "the scene" my rape fantasies were the only ones which had me worried.

Rape itself is such a horrible act- how on earth could I WANT a stranger to leap out and violate me in such a way?  How could I be sane with those sorts of desires?

I had bondage fantasies, breathplay fantasies, control fantasies, many other things- and I even acted out on them a bit on my own.  But rape was the only thing that I couldn't get my head ok with.

Then I found the scene- and realized I could enjoy the fantasy of it without the actual wrongness and danger of it.  I liked that.

I still don't know WHY I like it so much- except the raw edge of losing control, anonymous ravage usage, desire factor and such.  But rape is actually a very common fantasy for people to have, most especially in the scene.



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