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naughtynick81 -> Gillard government shortchanging men in health funding (5/16/2013 7:39:21 PM)
http://www.health.gov.au/internet/ministers/publishing.nsf/Content/mr-yr13-tp-tp043.htm 'The Budget provides – * $55.7 million to expand the Breastscreen Australia program to increase participation by women aged 70 to 74 ensuring more women are testing for breast cancer as they get older, because we know that early detection is the key to saving lives. * $18.5 million for the Australian Prostate Cancer Research Centres Program - including funding of $5.5 million to the Australian Prostate Cancer Research Centre located at the Kinghorn Cancer Centre, Sydney, and continuing. Prostate cancer deaths: 30.6 deaths/100,000 men http://canceraustralia.gov.au/affected-cancer/cancer-types/prostate-cancer/prostate-cancer-statistics Funding amt: $18.5 million Breast cancer deaths (women only): 21.6 deaths/100,000 women http://canceraustralia.gov.au/affected-cancer/cancer-types/breast-cancer/breast-cancer-statistics Funding amts.: $111.7 million (incl cervical cancer) $75.2 million (breast only)

naughtynick81 -> RE: Gillard government shortchanging men in health funding (5/17/2013 1:53:03 AM)
no answer lol?

Focus50 -> RE: Gillard government shortchanging men in health funding (5/17/2013 4:59:57 AM)
For starters, we're all stuck with easily Oz's most embarrassing excuse for a PM ever and her utterly incompetent treasurer for another 4 months. But yeah, I thought I misheard when it was announced as being for women over 70.... At 58 myself, 70ish is kinda getting to an age where something is gonna get you anyways and that the money would be better spent on younger women. But such is Gillard's tenure and the Labor brand in general.... <shrugs> Hmmmm, to compare breast cancer with prostate cancer.... See, it's always been "all right" for men to die. A car bomb goes off or a bus plunges off a mountain etc, it's still commonplace for the News to report that the death toll included women and children - somehow makes it more newsworthy.... To look at it another way, the last 20 years or so of promoting gender equality generally hasn't included men in the equation. Uh-ohhh.... lol Anyway, I'm an old fashioned male (or just old) and I don't mind that the women are getting a bit more attention or funding etc. A man looks after his woman etc. Conversely eg, I'm utterly opposed to women serving on the front lines for the same reason - don't put the women in harm's way. That's men's work and why I'm not so concerned when "only" men get hurt and killed. Anyway, probably wish I had a flak jacket now. ;) Still, 4 more months of Labor and that atrocious woman and nitwit treasurer pissing our hard earned down the crapper.... [sm=goodnight.gif] Focus.

Focus50 -> RE: Gillard government shortchanging men in health funding (5/19/2013 3:18:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 no answer lol? Ahem...! [sm=hyper.gif] Or maybe if you'd posted this in P & R? [8\|] Focus.

dcnovice -> RE: Gillard government shortchanging men in health funding (5/19/2013 3:32:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 no answer lol? Regular posters tend to tire of Johnny One Notes in my experience. Also, as Focus noted, this might have done better in P&R.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Gillard government shortchanging men in health funding (5/19/2013 6:09:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Focus50 For starters, we're all stuck with easily Oz's most embarrassing excuse for a PM ever and her utterly incompetent treasurer for another 4 months. But yeah, I thought I misheard when it was announced as being for women over 70.... At 58 myself, 70ish is kinda getting to an age where something is gonna get you anyways and that the money would be better spent on younger women. But such is Gillard's tenure and the Labor brand in general.... <shrugs> Hmmmm, to compare breast cancer with prostate cancer.... See, it's always been "all right" for men to die. A car bomb goes off or a bus plunges off a mountain etc, it's still commonplace for the News to report that the death toll included women and children - somehow makes it more newsworthy.... To look at it another way, the last 20 years or so of promoting gender equality generally hasn't included men in the equation. Uh-ohhh.... lol Anyway, I'm an old fashioned male (or just old) and I don't mind that the women are getting a bit more attention or funding etc. A man looks after his woman etc. Conversely eg, I'm utterly opposed to women serving on the front lines for the same reason - don't put the women in harm's way. That's men's work and why I'm not so concerned when "only" men get hurt and killed. Anyway, probably wish I had a flak jacket now. ;) Still, 4 more months of Labor and that atrocious woman and nitwit treasurer pissing our hard earned down the crapper.... [sm=goodnight.gif] Focus. My Dad was informed at his annual physical last year that he had crossed another milestone in his life. Since he was coming up on his 70th birthday, he no longer had any need to get a prostate exam. When he asked why, his Dr. told him that since he hasn't had any signs up to now, by the time prostate cancer got bad enough to effect him, he'd likely be dead from something else. Good news, eh? [:D]

Focus50 -> RE: Gillard government shortchanging men in health funding (5/20/2013 1:30:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri My Dad was informed at his annual physical last year that he had crossed another milestone in his life. Since he was coming up on his 70th birthday, he no longer had any need to get a prostate exam. When he asked why, his Dr. told him that since he hasn't had any signs up to now, by the time prostate cancer got bad enough to effect him, he'd likely be dead from something else. Good news, eh? [:D] Lol, the PSA blood test was very good news to this control freak of a Dom! [8D] Six or seven years back, I had a bit of a run (covering a year or so) of consultations for what seemed a spate of bad luck with painful injuries. And in almost every case, my doc prescribed little more than rest. Heels spurs and the like.... Got to a point I was feeling embarrassed for apparently wasting his time. But no, as you get older, little sprains and the like do hurt more and take longer to recover from. That turning 50 (he said) is about learning to live with pain. "Oh great", I said, then what's 60 about? "That's living with pain!" Super; just super! lol So yeah, I've learnt that no matter how bad something apparently hurts (esp for no obvious reason), tough it out for a few days before calling the doc's. And I would imagine that 70 is surviving any pain.... Woohoo! [8\|] Focus.

SpanishMatMaster -> RE: Gillard government shortchanging men in health funding (5/20/2013 1:40:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 http://www.health.gov.au/internet/ministers/publishing.nsf/Content/mr-yr13-tp-tp043.htm 'The Budget provides – * $55.7 million to expand the Breastscreen Australia program to increase participation by women aged 70 to 74 ensuring more women are testing for breast cancer as they get older, because we know that early detection is the key to saving lives. * $18.5 million for the Australian Prostate Cancer Research Centres Program - including funding of $5.5 million to the Australian Prostate Cancer Research Centre located at the Kinghorn Cancer Centre, Sydney, and continuing. Prostate cancer deaths: 30.6 deaths/100,000 men http://canceraustralia.gov.au/affected-cancer/cancer-types/prostate-cancer/prostate-cancer-statistics Funding amt: $18.5 million Breast cancer deaths (women only): 21.6 deaths/100,000 women http://canceraustralia.gov.au/affected-cancer/cancer-types/breast-cancer/breast-cancer-statistics Funding amts.: $111.7 million (incl cervical cancer) $75.2 million (breast only) Hello! Can I know which are the number of expected lifes to be saved by the different foundings? Because IMHO this is the important number. Not the prevalence, but the expected reduction of prevalence. This is, what has to be compared with the costs. Isn't it? Best regards.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Gillard government shortchanging men in health funding (5/20/2013 5:08:10 AM)
I find the whole 70-74 year old women thing quite odd. However, have you considered that more men are dying of prostate cancer because they don't get a prostate exam or simply don't go to the doctor when a problem starts but wait until it is too late? Meanwhile, women are aware of their need for mammograms, so things are caught in time, therefore, saving their lives? The reality is that many men don't get regular check ups, so a problem is not found until things have become a more serious problem. Many women don't get regular check ups either, but they are more likely to get semi regular pap smears and mammograms. Also because women tend to take responsibility for their reproductive choices, they are going to the OB/GYN to talk about birth control. This results in pap smears and breast exams. This was brought up before, and the reality is that women have started groups to fight for cancer screenings and public awareness. As much as men think with their penis, they don't seem to want to discuss any problems related to it. So they aren't open to discussing prostate exams, testicular cancer, erectile dysfunction, etc. Of course, men could always start their own "run for the cure" type of campaigns to raise awareness.

thishereboi -> RE: Gillard government shortchanging men in health funding (5/20/2013 8:45:05 AM)
That seems totally unfair. So what are you doing to change the situation?

thishereboi -> RE: Gillard government shortchanging men in health funding (5/20/2013 8:47:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Focus50 For starters, we're all stuck with easily Oz's most embarrassing excuse for a PM ever and her utterly incompetent treasurer for another 4 months. But yeah, I thought I misheard when it was announced as being for women over 70.... At 58 myself, 70ish is kinda getting to an age where something is gonna get you anyways and that the money would be better spent on younger women. But such is Gillard's tenure and the Labor brand in general.... <shrugs> Hmmmm, to compare breast cancer with prostate cancer.... See, it's always been "all right" for men to die. A car bomb goes off or a bus plunges off a mountain etc, it's still commonplace for the News to report that the death toll included women and children - somehow makes it more newsworthy.... To look at it another way, the last 20 years or so of promoting gender equality generally hasn't included men in the equation. Uh-ohhh.... lol Anyway, I'm an old fashioned male (or just old) and I don't mind that the women are getting a bit more attention or funding etc. A man looks after his woman etc. Conversely eg, I'm utterly opposed to women serving on the front lines for the same reason - don't put the women in harm's way. That's men's work and why I'm not so concerned when "only" men get hurt and killed. Anyway, probably wish I had a flak jacket now. ;) Still, 4 more months of Labor and that atrocious woman and nitwit treasurer pissing our hard earned down the crapper.... [sm=goodnight.gif] Focus. While it is great that you feel a man should look after a women, don't forget to look after yourself also. Men can get breast cancer and die from it just like a woman can.

Focus50 -> RE: Gillard government shortchanging men in health funding (5/20/2013 2:05:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi That seems totally unfair. So what are you doing to change the situation? There's a federal election in September, and the smart money is that the ALP (Australian Labor Party) is headed for one of its traditional crushing, landslide defeats. The other major party being the Liberal/National coalition. Of course, a change of government doesn't necessarily mean a change in all policy. And it's probably not wise to provoke an electorate that just dumped a government by withdrawing cancer money that's already been allocated. Esp when it's "only" 55 mill.... To me, we have classical Oz politics going on. For the most part, the Liberals are sound economic managers and tend to hold office longer; often a decade and more. Then they get a bit stale and the electorate consequently gets a bit bored with them. So we vote Labor back in to freshen the place up but when they (somehow) manage to get a second term (by the barest margin last election), it's like they're empowered as demi-gods and out pops the loopy left-field policies no-one wants. They esp like to engage in social engineering - punishing those who create wealth (big business) while throwing millions and even billions at whatever drives Labor ideology. Three billion this budget in pandering to illegal immigrants for just showing up. So the promised budget surplus has become an 18 billion dollar black hole for the Liberals to fix come September. Classic Labor and classic Oz politics.... Focus.

Focus50 -> RE: Gillard government shortchanging men in health funding (5/20/2013 2:17:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi While it is great that you feel a man should look after a women, don't forget to look after yourself also. Men can get breast cancer and die from it just like a woman can. Well duhh...! lol Man or woman, if it's part of your body, you can get cancer there. I s'pose when you compare the two - fem breast cancer and prostate cancer - there's a greater social effect on women for being externally visible and noticeable, which affects confidence and self-worth etc. Focus.

hlen5 -> RE: Gillard government shortchanging men in health funding (5/20/2013 3:11:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Focus50 quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi While it is great that you feel a man should look after a women, don't forget to look after yourself also. Men can get breast cancer and die from it just like a woman can. Well duhh...! lol Man or woman, if it's part of your body, you can get cancer there. I s'pose when you compare the two - fem breast cancer and prostate cancer - there's a greater social effect on women for being externally visible and noticeable, which affects confidence and self-worth etc. Focus. I thought thishereboi sounded concerned, rather than chiding.

Focus50 -> RE: Gillard government shortchanging men in health funding (5/20/2013 3:48:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 quote: ORIGINAL: Focus50 quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi While it is great that you feel a man should look after a women, don't forget to look after yourself also. Men can get breast cancer and die from it just like a woman can. Well duhh...! lol Man or woman, if it's part of your body, you can get cancer there. I s'pose when you compare the two - fem breast cancer and prostate cancer - there's a greater social effect on women for being externally visible and noticeable, which affects confidence and self-worth etc. Focus. I thought thishereboi sounded concerned, rather than chiding. You're interpreting me stating the obvious with a bit of light-hearted humour as mocking thishereboi? Men usually don't like being fussed over, we're reluctant patients etc. Old news.... A quick read of LafayetteLady's post pretty much sums up the contemporary status quo that men are fools who live in denial. That we're doing it wrong blah blah - the broken or inferior gender. Been hearing that crap since the 90's - that we need to get in touch with our feminine side (and sub side for we Doms), that it's just not ok to be a man, esp one who's more concerned with the health and well-being of our women and children. If only we could have more of everybody's favourite testosterone jokes for some real mocking and chiding to warm up the room. Errrm, not a rant nor a dig at you so much as laughing at contemporary society in general. Sooo, what odds I turn the TV on today and NOT find a hundred pound babe in tight skirt and 4" heels kicking the absolute tripe out of some poor muscle bound Neanderthal? That real men need to be perpetually emasculated for our own good.... LMAO Man, I need to get some work.... (semi-retired working permanent part-time) Logging off and going outside now.... lol Take care. :) Focus.

SpanishMatMaster -> RE: Gillard government shortchanging men in health funding (5/20/2013 9:19:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 http://www.health.gov.au/internet/ministers/publishing.nsf/Content/mr-yr13-tp-tp043.htm 'The Budget provides – * $55.7 million to expand the Breastscreen Australia program to increase participation by women aged 70 to 74 ensuring more women are testing for breast cancer as they get older, because we know that early detection is the key to saving lives. * $18.5 million for the Australian Prostate Cancer Research Centres Program - including funding of $5.5 million to the Australian Prostate Cancer Research Centre located at the Kinghorn Cancer Centre, Sydney, and continuing. Prostate cancer deaths: 30.6 deaths/100,000 men http://canceraustralia.gov.au/affected-cancer/cancer-types/prostate-cancer/prostate-cancer-statistics Funding amt: $18.5 million Breast cancer deaths (women only): 21.6 deaths/100,000 women http://canceraustralia.gov.au/affected-cancer/cancer-types/breast-cancer/breast-cancer-statistics Funding amts.: $111.7 million (incl cervical cancer) $75.2 million (breast only) Hello! Can I know which are the number of expected lifes to be saved by the different foundings? Because IMHO this is the important number. Not the prevalence, but the expected reduction of prevalence. This is, what has to be compared with the costs. Isn't it? Best regards. no answer lol?

Moonhead -> RE: Gillard government shortchanging men in health funding (5/21/2013 9:53:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi That seems totally unfair. So what are you doing to change the situation? Whining, it would seem.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Gillard government shortchanging men in health funding (5/21/2013 10:33:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Focus50 You're interpreting me stating the obvious with a bit of light-hearted humour as mocking thishereboi? Men usually don't like being fussed over, we're reluctant patients etc. Old news.... A quick read of LafayetteLady's post pretty much sums up the contemporary status quo that men are fools who live in denial. That we're doing it wrong blah blah - the broken or inferior gender. Been hearing that crap since the 90's - that we need to get in touch with our feminine side (and sub side for we Doms), that it's just not ok to be a man, esp one who's more concerned with the health and well-being of our women and children. If only we could have more of everybody's favourite testosterone jokes for some real mocking and chiding to warm up the room. Errrm, not a rant nor a dig at you so much as laughing at contemporary society in general. Sooo, what odds I turn the TV on today and NOT find a hundred pound babe in tight skirt and 4" heels kicking the absolute tripe out of some poor muscle bound Neanderthal? That real men need to be perpetually emasculated for our own good.... LMAO Man, I need to get some work.... (semi-retired working permanent part-time) Logging off and going outside now.... lol Take care. :) Focus. I certainly didn't call men fools, was just stating facts. I believe it is important for men to take care of their health. I don't think that men live in "denial," more that they have sadly been raised to believe they must "push through the pain," and figure it will go away. My father was one of those "fools." He NEVER went to the doctor. He was a butcher, and I can't tell you how many times growing up he came home with some serious cuts on his fingers (it happens quite often in that field), yet he NEVER went and got stitches. Put on a tight bandage to close it up and went on with his day. Then one day he was so sick, he had no choice but to go to the doctor. He died 7 months later. Here in the states, we are seeing many more commercials regarding erectile dysfunction, in an attempt to get men to not feel ashamed of it and realize that it might be a very simple problem with a solution, or even a bigger one that still has a solution. We aren't seeing commercials on prostate cancer yet, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't. Part of the reason we have all the publicity on breast and ovarian cancer is because for years, these women's issues were disregarded, or were given a "let's wait and see attitude." So women were (rightly) outraged over it, just like we now have more publicity toward heart attacks in women because again, this issue was often disregarded in women, and because symptoms for women can be so different than for men, heart problems were misdiagnosed. Here and there, we will see men outraged that there isn't more public health alerts/information about men's issues. Yet, none of those men are ever doing much more than whining about it. Why? I don't know, but maybe if enough of you men got outraged and started doing something about it that would change.

Focus50 -> RE: Gillard government shortchanging men in health funding (5/21/2013 4:27:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady I certainly didn't call men fools, was just stating facts. Got one of 'em right here: "As much as men think with their penis".... [;)] quote: I believe it is important for men to take care of their health. I don't think that men live in "denial," more that they have sadly been raised to believe they must "push through the pain," and figure it will go away. My father was one of those "fools." He NEVER went to the doctor. He was a butcher, and I can't tell you how many times growing up he came home with some serious cuts on his fingers (it happens quite often in that field), yet he NEVER went and got stitches. Put on a tight bandage to close it up and went on with his day. Then one day he was so sick, he had no choice but to go to the doctor. He died 7 months later. Here in the states, we are seeing many more commercials regarding erectile dysfunction, in an attempt to get men to not feel ashamed of it and realize that it might be a very simple problem with a solution, or even a bigger one that still has a solution. We aren't seeing commercials on prostate cancer yet, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't. Part of the reason we have all the publicity on breast and ovarian cancer is because for years, these women's issues were disregarded, or were given a "let's wait and see attitude." So women were (rightly) outraged over it, just like we now have more publicity toward heart attacks in women because again, this issue was often disregarded in women, and because symptoms for women can be so different than for men, heart problems were misdiagnosed. Here and there, we will see men outraged that there isn't more public health alerts/information about men's issues. Yet, none of those men are ever doing much more than whining about it. Why? I don't know, but maybe if enough of you men got outraged and started doing something about it that would change. Overall, you're right. As I said of myself, I don't much care for being fussed over; make a lousy patient etc and generally I've got more important things to do than be sick & injured or fatally wounded. There's a few hundred years of male culture there and you don't change it overnight. It requires generational change. But it's not all a bad thing - to put the welfare of your woman and children first. Mostly we only hear of the abusive arseholes who put their family's welfare last. No, the part that needs changing is that men who are concerned with their loved ones shouldn't forget about themselves entirely. Most importantly is realising that if you are a male in an otherwise happy family, then logically they don't want anything happening to you, either - that their mental and emotional health is at least as important as their physical well-being and it is affected if they're worrying about hubby/dad. Medical science and technology certainly helps there; eg that the dreaded prostate exam is largely replaced by the PSA blood test - assuming the test comes back negative. [8\|] Or if you want your men to brush off all the good advice and shut down entirely, the status quo of emasculating testosterone type jokes (put it back in your pants, boys etc) is still quite effective.... Mocking men for being male isn't any way to get them to change old ways. [:-] Focus.

Focus50 -> RE: Gillard government shortchanging men in health funding (5/21/2013 4:37:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi That seems totally unfair. So what are you doing to change the situation? Whining, it would seem. Awwww - if we talk s l o w l y and in words of one syll-a-ble, perhaps you won't feel so reluctant to engage like a grownup? Focus.

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