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DomKen -> RE: gop trying to repeal ACA for 37th time?!?? (5/17/2013 9:21:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SadistDave That's a political gift that will keep on giving, and giving, and giving. 4 people died due, maybe, to Hilary. Thousands of Americans died due to W's negligence and stupidity and people still voted for him in 2004.

DomKen -> RE: gop trying to repeal ACA for 37th time?!?? (5/17/2013 9:23:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SadistDave She was in charge and repeatedly denied extra security when it was requested. Then she lost her cool when she was grilled on her attempts to cover up the terrorist attack in a Congressional hearing and asked "What difference at this point does it make?" Really... it's like a Christmas present to the GOP to have her run! It's so cute he believes FNC. Did someone forget to get the memo telling righties to deny ever seeing FNC or Limbaugh?

SadistDave -> RE: gop trying to repeal ACA for 37th time?!?? (5/17/2013 9:32:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Are you complaining about Clinton's presidency? This country had prosperity not seen before or since during his presidency. Morally, he was a fuckhead but he got shit done for the country. No! I'm not being critical of Bill Clinton at all! I really have a lot of respect for Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton is to Democrats what Ronald Reagan is to Republicans. Frankly, I think the record shows the Reagan years were a lot more productive, but it's like comparing apples to oranges, so believe what you want on that point. Bill Clinton was the perfect President we could have had during the years he spent in office. That's why Hillary will never get out from under his shadow. Bill Clinton had style, personality, and a flair for leadership that Hillary will always be compared to. He's a mover and shaker that gets things done. And he really was quite entertaining. When she is compared to Bill though, Hillary will always be seen as the lesser of the two. Not because she's a woman, but because Bill Clinton has one of those bigger than life personalities and she just isn't all that. She might go down in history as the first Madam President, but that's about all she will ever accomplish without her husbands name and influence being seen as the reason for every little thing she does. She will fight hard for every inch she wins and Bill will always get part of the credit just because she's his wife. -SD-

SadistDave -> RE: gop trying to repeal ACA for 37th time?!?? (5/17/2013 10:01:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: SadistDave That's a political gift that will keep on giving, and giving, and giving. 4 people died due, maybe, to Hilary. Thousands of Americans died due to W's negligence and stupidity and people still voted for him in 2004. Yes, well whining about Bush now or in 2016 won't do much good. He won't be running in 2016, so the only deaths the public will hear about are going to be the ones Hillary is responsible for as Secretary of State. Actually though, considering who her husband is, the 223 American that died in embassy attacks in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 under Bill Clinton's watch might be mentioned... And as an added bonus, there were 7,500 deaths as a result of military actions under Bill Clinton. Now while it was about 2,500 lower than Bushes military casualty count, Bush actually declared war. Clinton managed to kill 7,500 soldiers in military actions when we weren't actually at war with the people killing our soldiers... If Hillary is going to stand in Bills shadow while she is in office, (and I personally think she will because Bill Clinton was a pretty amazing President) then it's not too much of a leap to expect her future performance to be compared to his past performance. The question then becomes "How many soldiers will be killed during the the Hillary Presidency/Bill Clinton redux in peacetime missions?" -SD-

mnottertail -> RE: gop trying to repeal ACA for 37th time?!?? (5/17/2013 10:08:35 AM)
It must be fun to have hallucinations on that order. No 'republican' will be elected in this decade at least. W took care of that. The teabaggers are gonna have to deal with october raising the debt ceiling they made and november elections, and it all looks downhill for them to 2016 and beyond if even one of them exist by then.

Arturas -> RE: gop trying to repeal ACA for 37th time?!?? (5/17/2013 10:10:33 AM)
quote: Yes, well whining about Bush now or in 2016 won't do much good. He won't be running in 2016, so the only deaths the public will hear about are going to be the ones Hillary is responsible for as Secretary of State. Actually though, considering who her husband is, the 223 American that died in embassy attacks in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 under Bill Clinton's watch might be mentioned... I am your biggest fan all of a sudden.

ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: gop trying to repeal ACA for 37th time?!?? (5/17/2013 10:16:09 AM)
Actually, Bush never "declared war". Nor could he if he had wanted to. It is the exclusive job of Congress to do so. The War Powers Act allows the president to send troops but he must notify Congress within 48 hours. --- From Wikipedia: The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541-1548)[1] is a federal law intended to check the president's power to commit the United States to an armed conflict without the consent of Congress. The resolution was adopted in the form of a United States Congress joint resolution; this provides that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces." The War Powers Resolution requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war. The resolution was passed by two-thirds of Congress, overiding a presidential veto. The War Powers Resolution has been violated in the past by President Reagan in the once concerning Contras in Nicaragua and by President Clinton in 1999, during the bombing campaign in Kosovo. All incidents have had congressional disapproval, but none have had any successful legal actions taken against the president for violations. All presidents since 1973 have declared their belief that the act is unconstitutional. ---

SadistDave -> RE: gop trying to repeal ACA for 37th time?!?? (5/17/2013 10:21:22 AM)
Thank you for the technical correction. -SD-

mnottertail -> RE: gop trying to repeal ACA for 37th time?!?? (5/17/2013 10:37:33 AM)
Actually the war powers act is unconstitutional, but nevertheless it has nothing to do with it. The Constitution 1.8. is all that counts on that front: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

DomKen -> RE: gop trying to repeal ACA for 37th time?!?? (5/17/2013 10:51:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SadistDave quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: SadistDave That's a political gift that will keep on giving, and giving, and giving. 4 people died due, maybe, to Hilary. Thousands of Americans died due to W's negligence and stupidity and people still voted for him in 2004. Yes, well whining about Bush now or in 2016 won't do much good. He won't be running in 2016, so the only deaths the public will hear about are going to be the ones Hillary is responsible for as Secretary of State. Actually though, considering who her husband is, the 223 American that died in embassy attacks in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 under Bill Clinton's watch might be mentioned.. I'm not whining about W's incompetence and medacity I'm pointing out that in recent experience several orders of magnitude more deaths than 4 had no appreciable impact on an election. quote: And as an added bonus, there were 7,500 deaths as a result of military actions under Bill Clinton. Now while it was about 2,500 lower than Bushes military casualty count, Bush actually declared war. Clinton managed to kill 7,500 soldiers in military actions when we weren't actually at war with the people killing our soldiers... In reality 7500 servicemen died during the entire Clinton administration from all causes. Almost none of those, around 30, died in combat. In 8 years under Bush the total number of dead US servicemen from all causes was over 12k. and 3700 were from combat. https://www.dmdc.osd.mil/dcas/pages/report_by_year_manner.xhtml You shouldn't believe the right wing blogs that have been pushing this claim for the last few years.

JeffBC -> RE: gop trying to repeal ACA for 37th time?!?? (5/17/2013 10:55:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Oh, my dying ass, people died as a result of Ws leadership, of Georges leadership, of St. Wrinklemeats leadership. Specifically, about 200,000 people died at a cost of 2-3 trillion dollars so we could find those weapons of mass destruction that never existed and we knew never existed.

joether -> RE: gop trying to repeal ACA for 37th time?!?? (5/17/2013 11:22:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Oh, my dying ass, people died as a result of Ws leadership, of Georges leadership, of St. Wrinklemeats leadership. Specifically, about 200,000 people died at a cost of 2-3 trillion dollars so we could find those weapons of mass destruction that never existed and we knew never existed. An yet conservatives voted for Republicans like drones. Never an ounce of question or amazement to a White House abusing its powers. But if President Obama is even remotely attached to Benghazi, he should be impeached immediately (according to them)! If this subject matter was not so serious, it would be entirely laughable!

slvemike4u -> RE: gop trying to repeal ACA for 37th time?!?? (5/17/2013 11:27:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Ever since the anti-Christ (Hillary Rotten Clinton) tried to float her shitty version of healthcare reform 20 years ago I have been saying that the easiest fix to healthcare issues in this country is to remove the words "over 65" from Medicare. Essentially, as far as how it works (not the coverage levels), it's the same plan that covers congress. Job done. Peace and comfort, Michael I can see you are all ready for 2016. I imagine this is how you will refer to her once she takes office ?

joether -> RE: gop trying to repeal ACA for 37th time?!?? (5/17/2013 11:35:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: SadistDave Although it would be much easier for the House to simply refuse to fund it, if it takes another 37 attempts, or 137 attempts to repeal that piece of shit law then they need to keep trying until it's repealed. -SD Repeating the same action over and over with the expectation of a different outcome is the definition of insanity. ---Albert Einstein Costs the country about thirty-three million a day to run a Congress whose approval rating is hovering at about 14%. If anything, the House Republicans should have done all they could to NOT be hypocrites and pushing petty bills that they knew would never get approved on. In fact, if you look over the bills that the House Republicans tried to pass, you would find a high number that were 'score political points with voters' and not many 'it passed the Senate and President as well'. If its 'ok' for Republicans to waste money, conservatives, you have NO credible ground to stand on when Democrats do it. If you can not hold your party to twice the responsibility and accountability as you slam Democrats on an hourly basis.....no one is really going to take you seriously!

VideoAdminChi -> RE: gop trying to repeal ACA for 37th time?!?? (5/18/2013 4:48:10 AM)
Now that we are back on topic, let's stay there :)

mnottertail -> RE: gop trying to repeal ACA for 37th time?!?? (5/21/2013 3:04:02 PM)
http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-insurance/300765-dems-early-data-show-premiums-falling-under-obama-health-law Oh, The Hill is a fickle fucker, hah?

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