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Real0ne -> RE: First the IRS and now the Justcie Department (5/15/2013 8:53:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail In this matter, yes. Unintended consequences. But you should know that being the nattering legal scholar. lets see your facts and evidence that it is "UNINTENDED", so the creation of a positive, or at least a presumed positive law is unintended? I suppose in your dictionary willfully and knowingly negligent means: "unintended".

Real0ne -> RE: First the IRS and now the Justcie Department (5/15/2013 8:57:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hot4bondage This seems to be the only thread here about the Justice department seizing AP phone records, and there hasn't been a new post for nearly two days. Seriously? Maybe it just needs a catchier title, like "Obama vs Journalism." We can't have a free press if the press isn't free to talk to its sources. Two months of phone records from at least a hundred journalists...[sm=zipmouth.gif] if you think thats bad check cases to see what they do to "individuals"! In the video below we see what a police state looks like. Cops looking for a 19-year old supposed terrorist raid a house and force citizens out at gunpoint with their hands over the heads. If not for the distinctly American houses in the video, this could be Iraq or Afghanistan. Warrantless Raids In Boston adolf would be so proud! new precedence has been set. coming to a theater near you soon!

mnottertail -> RE: First the IRS and now the Justcie Department (5/15/2013 8:59:08 AM)
Nope, I have given you the USC, your responsibility to fumble and bumble around in it and mess it up into uncohesive asswipe as per usual. He signs an affidavit the law is met. There is no penalty, it could go to SCOTUS I suppose, and they could rule him wrong and say don't do it again, but........really.........so fuckin what?

Real0ne -> RE: First the IRS and now the Justcie Department (5/15/2013 9:06:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Nope, I have given you the USC, your responsibility to fumble and bumble around in it and mess it up into uncohesive asswipe as per usual. He signs an affidavit the law is met. There is no penalty, it could go to SCOTUS I suppose, and they could rule him wrong and say don't do it again, but........really.........so fuckin what? so "FACTLESS" agency affidavits are now a substitute for a court order determining a "probable cause" in your world. yeh thats what I'm talkin bout! [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/stuff/hitlerlowrider.gif[/image]

mnottertail -> RE: First the IRS and now the Justcie Department (5/15/2013 9:17:19 AM)
Nope, not at all, I did not write the law, and it isn't like probable cause or bench warrants are necessary in alot of cases, thanks to SCOTUS, even in your world.

FrostedFlake -> RE: First the IRS and now the Justcie Department (5/15/2013 9:25:44 AM)
Wow. I don't recall ever agreeing Boehner before quote: "The First Amendment is first for a reason," said Michael Steel, a spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner. "If the Obama administration is going after reporters' phone records, they better have a damned good explanation." Speaking of explanation, why were the subpoenas not front and center. Shouldn't that explanation be written right there? Call me a fool.

Real0ne -> RE: First the IRS and now the Justcie Department (5/15/2013 9:26:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Nope, not at all, I did not write the law, and it isn't like probable cause or bench warrants are necessary in alot of cases, thanks to SCOTUS, even in your world. they are necessary in ALL cases as are fully empowered jurys with not only the power to determine and try FACT but also NULLIFY law without coercion from black robed state priests. Neither was it ever waived, and if you believe it was show your facts and evidence. The US government was not created by the inhabitants by vote. No referendum ever circulated in ANY state. If it existed you could easily cite it.

mnottertail -> RE: First the IRS and now the Justcie Department (5/15/2013 9:28:12 AM)
Not so, show me probable cause and warrant in the constitution. What the SCOTUS giveth, the SCOTUS can taketh away (as can the legislature).

Real0ne -> RE: First the IRS and now the Justcie Department (5/15/2013 9:30:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FrostedFlake Wow. I don't recall ever agreeing Boehner before quote: "The First Amendment is first for a reason," said Michael Steel, a spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner. "If the Obama administration is going after reporters' phone records, they better have a damned good explanation." Speaking of explanation, why were the subpoenas not front and center. Shouldn't that explanation be written right there? Call me a fool. officials cannot publically know anything, it all has to be a surprise to maintain plausible deniability.

Real0ne -> RE: First the IRS and now the Justcie Department (5/15/2013 9:33:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Not so, show me probable cause and warrant in the constitution. What the SCOTUS giveth, the SCOTUS can taketh away (as can the legislature). however scotus didnt giveth nonetheless it declareth the power to taketh away and the statist backeth upeth with jack booted thugeth. if you believe the rights of man are granted through scotus cite it.

mnottertail -> RE: First the IRS and now the Justcie Department (5/15/2013 9:35:54 AM)
If you believe that probable cause and warrants are cited in the constitution, cite it. You have at best an EPHEMERAL DOCTRINE. And you just saw that it was cited in the law as exception. Legally. All in, all done.

Real0ne -> RE: First the IRS and now the Justcie Department (5/15/2013 9:43:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail If you believe that probable cause and warrants are cited in the constitution, cite it. You have at best an EPHEMERAL DOCTRINE. And you just saw that it was cited in the law as exception. Legally. All in, all done. probable cause comes under "DUE PROCESS", which IS stated in the constitution. dont quit your day job

mnottertail -> RE: First the IRS and now the Justcie Department (5/15/2013 9:44:47 AM)
nope, not even close, thanks for playing.

Real0ne -> RE: First the IRS and now the Justcie Department (5/15/2013 9:54:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail nope, not even close, thanks for playing. said by the resident shit house lawyer 5th No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.[1] 14th All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. those are the rules in which people "presumably" "consented" to be governed. remedy-less violation of the agreement renders it null and void. indictments, fully empowered juries, the right to declare your rights have never been recognized hence the agreement with the governed is breached, starting with the several omissions of the states.

mnottertail -> RE: First the IRS and now the Justcie Department (5/15/2013 10:03:43 AM)
Yeah, what is due process of law? Legal Dictionary: A fundamental, constitutional guarantee that all legal proceedings will be fair and that one will be given notice of the proceedings and an opportunity to be heard before the government acts to take away one's life, liberty, or property. Also, a constitutional guarantee that a law shall not be unreasonable, Arbitrary, or capricious. Well, what horseshit have we here when our resident shithouse lawyer says it means warrants and probable cause .. The Supreme Court has ruled that the Constitution expresses a preference for searches, seizures, and arrests conducted pursuant to a lawfully executed warrant (see Mincey v. Arizona, 437 U.S. 385 [1978]). NB: PREFERENCE, not REQIREMENT. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized* Nowhere does it require warrants.... and probable cause. Again, Legal dictionary: Apparent facts discovered through logical inquiry that would lead a reasonably intelligent and prudent person to believe that an accused person has committed a crime, thereby warranting his or her prosecution, or that a Cause of Action has accrued, justifying a civil lawsuit. So, within 18 USC 2701-11 it appears that Mr. Holder can by certificate order his own warrant and probable cause based on himself. That is the law. You may take it to court if you think you got a shot.

Real0ne -> RE: First the IRS and now the Justcie Department (5/15/2013 10:16:45 AM)
quote: A fundamental, constitutional guarantee that all legal proceedings will be fair and that one will be given notice of the proceedings and an opportunity to be heard before the government acts to take away one's life, liberty, or property. so they called those people up and hey boys and gurls in about 1 week we are going to raid your fucking house and stomp all over and trespass on your private property and person and take your liberty because eric holder said we should in his affidavit of NONFACT. time to lift the corporate veil! quote: You may take it to court if you think you got a shot. the same government court that denies people fully empowered juries, grand jury indictments, the right to declare their rights, and allodial title? the our way or the hiway court? yeh that will work!

mnottertail -> RE: First the IRS and now the Justcie Department (5/15/2013 10:21:58 AM)
Nope, they didnot and no one has lost life, liberty, or property. When they charge someone, they will have a warrant, miranda rights and all that asswipe. So, howling in circles, hows that working out for you? Them posse comitatus marshals unseat the 50 governors yet?

Real0ne -> RE: First the IRS and now the Justcie Department (5/15/2013 10:29:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Nope, they didnot and no one has lost life, liberty, or property. When they charge someone, they will have a warrant, miranda rights and all that asswipe. So, howling in circles, hows that working out for you? Them posse comitatus marshals unseat the 50 governors yet? Oh that right they are sitting in front of their tv watching the simpsons eating bons bons right now. No liberties were violated in a shit house lawyers world. but thats ok because you have major media supporting the terror state.

mnottertail -> RE: First the IRS and now the Justcie Department (5/15/2013 10:45:21 AM)
Well, being a shit house lawyer of demonstrably little account such as you are with these buffooneries what do you propose? Hows that working out for ya?

Real0ne -> RE: First the IRS and now the Justcie Department (5/15/2013 4:03:38 PM)
hows it workin for you? ~ american dream!

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