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ORIGINAL: jlf1961 First I am a supporter of the second amendment, agree to better back ground checks, and oppose any ban or restriction on any kind or style of firearm. Now Glen Beck has opened his mouth, and stuck both feet into it up to his ass. First of all, I disagree with NYC's soda ban, salt ban, and all the other bans put in place by mayor Bloomberg. No government official or agency can tell me how much of what food products, junk food or healthy food I can ingest. So in that respect, Mayor Bloomberg is a power mad idiot. He is also Jewish. Why does his religion or ethnic origin matter? Simple, Glen Beck unveiled a wonderful ad for NYC showing Mayor Bloomberg presenting what appears to be a Nazi salute wearing an armband, which could be considered Nazi symbolism. Full story and video here. Now I am sure that Glen Beck fans are going to say we who see the similarities are merely imagining things, just like those beer drinking and liquor conservative rednecks and the pot smoking over sexed drug using liberals who see UFO's and claim to be abducted by aliens. All I say is look at the damn picture. jlf- While I have my problems with bans on things like that, Bloomberg can make a counter argument, and it is not entirely as fascist as it seems. The reason he is doing this is because the people most affected by salty fast food, the sugary drinks and such, are the poorer citizens of NYC, and in those communities obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes, you name it, is rampant. Those same people tend to depend on city hospitals and medicaid for their medical treatments, and it is expensive as hell and is paid for in large part by city taxes (unlike many places in this country, especially the red states, Uncle Sam doesn't pick up the bulk of the costs, the city and state does). It is like the libertarians who fight things like helmet laws when riding motorcycles, but totally ignore the cost of that in serious brain trauma, when someone ends up costing millions that insurance companies and the state end up picking the tab up for. There are no easy answers for this and I am not saying Bloomberg is necessarily right, but banning trans fats and lowering salt counts and trying to keep people from guzzling high fructose laden soda had a real reason behind it. It is why I believe there have to be reasonable restrictions on gun sales, to prevent joe billy bob from filling up his trunk with guns in georgia, drive to DC or NYC and sell them in the black market, and have no accountability. If guns are registered and owners are responsible for them, they can't play what one ATF agent called "redneck liars poker", when guns get traced back to the 'legitimate' owners who sold them in the black market, they say "don't know nothing, boss, must of lost it or had it stolen"......right now there is no effective ways to monitor this, and guns in many states have less responsibility associated with them than owning cars. A car registered to you used in a crime you didn't report stolen, and you are in deep shit, for example. The 2nd amendment says you cannot outright ban all gun sales, but it doesn't say that you cannot restrict the type or how you get them, as long as the state can show an overriding need to do that. Gun registration, background checks, limiting sales of certain things (like teflon bullets and other armor piercing rounds, that civilians have absolutely no need for, because they are designed to cut through body armor, period or fully automatic weapons) is in the public good, but you have to prove it, too, you can't willy nilly ban things and have it stand up. Assault weapons bans the way they worded them are idiotic, who gives a crap the way the gun looks, but limiting magazine size, mandating that magazines cannot be changed rapidly and limiting firing rates could be and should be considered IMO, by doing so it limits the damage someone can do. You are picking and choosing who is allowed to do what you think is okay. That is not okay. Where does that right come from? Does it only apply to certain people? Did you know that straw purchases of firearms is already an unlawful action? quote:
Beck represents the worst of this country, he represents the ill educated, older and most rural white people who are upset that small town american is dying and that what they saw as the natural order of things, the mythology of the 1950's as a Golden age when everyone went to church, no one had premarital sex, gays were people to be beaten up and the like, they fear and hate change, they fear a world that isn't simple to understand, so a moron like Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh, who is as stupid as they are, works great. If that isn't an incredibly accusatory paragraph, I don't know. Care to back up those allegations? Isn't there a "1950's household" fetish? I wonder if Glenn Beck started that, too?
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What I support: - A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
- Personal Responsibility
- Help for the truly needy
- Limited Government
- Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
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