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MAINEiacMISTRESS -> RE: I hate to be the bearer of bad news but.... (5/1/2013 11:49:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

News Flash! Life On Earth is dangerous! Nobody gets out alive!. I like to think that all the things that should have killed off the human race instead makes us stronger. Besides, there's like 7 billion of us here, nature is gonna have to really do some heavy lifting to get us all. We are the bipedal mammalian analogue to the cockroach.

There is pretty strong genetic evidence that our species was once reduced to perhaps less than 10k individuals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory

Another major catastrophe and we could easily go extinct. For instance if the yellowstone volcano goes it could kill most everyone in the central US and Canada and put enough dust into the air that there would be not enough sunlight or warmth to grow any crops for 5 to 10 years worldwide. There might be some survivors from something like that but it is entirely possible they'd be too scattered to save the species.

You are indeed correct. I'm aware of the Toba Event, as well as the Lesser Dryas, which is suspected of exterminating the Clovis people from North America 13K years ago. And if Yellowstone does go, the casualty list would be astronomical, as well. But remember that the first two occurred when the worldwide population of H. Sapiens was only in the neighborhood of some hundreds of thousands to perhaps a million.

While population density and the dependence on global networks to deliver food, medicine and fertilizer would be crippled or eliminated would result in a catastrophe of Biblical proportions, the sheer momentum of the numbers of people present today would ensure a sizable population of survivors. Even if the event killed off 75% of humanity, it would still leave over a billion to carry on. Even 90% would still leave 700 million or so, an ample genetic pool with which to carry on the species.

That's assuming they all know how to make FIRE without matches/lighters, and know how to hunt (assuming the game animals haven't perished too), forage for food without eating something poisonous, find clean water when it's all polluted by the disaster.
We've LOST a lot of the survival skills that took millions of years to learn, passed down from elder to younger, generation after generation.
This is why I say leave the last "natural" cultures alone to live free as they see fit instead of converting them to modern ways of life (to live in poverty, debt, and alcholism). We may NEED them and their survival skills someday.




ShaharThorne -> RE: I hate to be the bearer of bad news but.... (5/2/2013 12:04:37 AM)

Lets not forget that mountain in Norway that is storing a lot of seeds in case of such catastrophes...




FrostedFlake -> RE: I hate to be the bearer of bad news but.... (5/2/2013 12:18:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ShaharThorne

Lets not forget that mountain in Norway that is storing a lot of seeds in case of such catastrophes...

Okay everyone. You heard it. When the state of Montana evaporates we all invade Norway.




MasterCaneman -> RE: I hate to be the bearer of bad news but.... (5/2/2013 12:38:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MAINEiacMISTRESS


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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

News Flash! Life On Earth is dangerous! Nobody gets out alive!. I like to think that all the things that should have killed off the human race instead makes us stronger. Besides, there's like 7 billion of us here, nature is gonna have to really do some heavy lifting to get us all. We are the bipedal mammalian analogue to the cockroach.

There is pretty strong genetic evidence that our species was once reduced to perhaps less than 10k individuals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory

Another major catastrophe and we could easily go extinct. For instance if the yellowstone volcano goes it could kill most everyone in the central US and Canada and put enough dust into the air that there would be not enough sunlight or warmth to grow any crops for 5 to 10 years worldwide. There might be some survivors from something like that but it is entirely possible they'd be too scattered to save the species.

You are indeed correct. I'm aware of the Toba Event, as well as the Lesser Dryas, which is suspected of exterminating the Clovis people from North America 13K years ago. And if Yellowstone does go, the casualty list would be astronomical, as well. But remember that the first two occurred when the worldwide population of H. Sapiens was only in the neighborhood of some hundreds of thousands to perhaps a million.

While population density and the dependence on global networks to deliver food, medicine and fertilizer would be crippled or eliminated would result in a catastrophe of Biblical proportions, the sheer momentum of the numbers of people present today would ensure a sizable population of survivors. Even if the event killed off 75% of humanity, it would still leave over a billion to carry on. Even 90% would still leave 700 million or so, an ample genetic pool with which to carry on the species.

That's assuming they all know how to make FIRE without matches/lighters, and know how to hunt (assuming the game animals haven't perished too), forage for food without eating something poisonous, find clean water when it's all polluted by the disaster.
We've LOST a lot of the survival skills that took millions of years to learn, passed down from elder to younger, generation after generation.
This is why I say leave the last "natural" cultures alone to live free as they see fit instead of converting them to modern ways of life (to live in poverty, debt, and alcholism). We may NEED them and their survival skills someday.

It's funny you should mention that. In addition to being a kinky gentleman, I'm also what you'd call a "prepper" of sorts. Growing up in and serving in the military during the Cold War reinforced my belief that I'd need to know some of those very things. In high school (SLC,UT), we even had a class called "Utah Wildlife & Survival", which taught us teenage idiots how to make fire, find and purify water, etc, etc.

There are a host of folks who adhere to these practices today, in most every nation on Earth. And to be honest, a lot of those skills aren't that hard to learn, either. Hunting? I honestly believe it's prewired into our psyches. The only limitations are the available technology, and even after a disaster of that magnitude, there will still be a vast array of resources available. It's not that hard to sharpen a stick, and basic foraging, while not recommended for a beginner, isn't all that hard to do.

In some ways, the prepper movement is very similar to the D/s scene. There are various assignations used to describe the individuals level of commitment, expertise, and experience. These range from everyday folk who make sure they're prepared for the next regional disaster(bedroom players) to the hardcore survivalists with the fully stocked and fortified retreat with a bazillion rounds of ammo and ten years worth of dehydrated food (High Protocol 24/7).

And this isn't exclusively an American phenomenon. There are groups and individuals all around the world who subscribe to this philosophy. Yes, I belong to an online forum dedicated to that 'scene' as well. And like I am here, I fall somewhere in the middle of the pack in regards to skills/equipment/experience/motivation.

In summary, after an event like that, there will be people who will be able to do all those things and more. Granted, it would be akin to Mad Max in some ways (until the fuel stocks ran out), but I'm trying to make the point that we will survive (as a species, if not as a culture/civilization).




Rule -> RE: I hate to be the bearer of bad news but.... (5/2/2013 1:37:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
But I'll still take NA over oz.

Oz has a wizard and witches.




TNDommeK -> RE: I hate to be the bearer of bad news but.... (5/2/2013 1:45:13 AM)

We're preppers too. I used to think hubby was nuts until this Christmas we ended up with no power for a week. We were good the first three days, til I started whining. Lol. Thank goodness for my country family side. I wouldn't know how to survive without them.





cordeliasub -> RE: I hate to be the bearer of bad news but.... (5/2/2013 9:42:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
But I'll still take NA over oz.

Oz has a wizard and witches.




They'll get you my pretty, and your little dog too

I live in an area where tornadoes love to roam....and close enough to the Gulf that hurricanes can get us too. I'd still rather live here than where there are earthquakes though. I rode that Earthquake ride at universal back in the 90's and my neck was sore for weeks.




DesFIP -> RE: I hate to be the bearer of bad news but.... (5/2/2013 12:22:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MAINEiacMISTRESS


The most deadly thing here has to be BLACK ICE...when the road is wet and freezes such as when it rains at 32*F. You can't see the damn stuff but if you hit a patch of it while rounding a corner you'll become suddenly religious for the few seconds your car is sliding sideways toward the ditch.

--MM


QFT. It can form anywhere between 23F and 39F. Those 'bridge freezes before roadway' signs are legit.

The end of my road slants down and is a black ice magnet. When I taught the kids to drive it included stopping ten feet short of the corner and slowly releasing the brake to see if you actually could drive on it or had to move to the middle of the road after calling it in to the cops so they could hassle the town highway department for you.

At a party once, I overheard a new bus driver talking about encountering this and knew immediately she had been assigned to my road.

But here, deer are our biggest problem. More motorist deaths occur in my county as a result of deer than any other cause. Never swerve for animals folks, never.




MasterCaneman -> RE: I hate to be the bearer of bad news but.... (5/2/2013 12:31:25 PM)

I love how this thread went from mega-volcanic eruptions and asteroid strikes to black ice and wayward deer as the mechanisms of humanity's demise...[;)]




Zonie63 -> RE: I hate to be the bearer of bad news but.... (5/2/2013 12:36:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Alright, I will grant that the North American continent has some stunning beauty, but this continent was not created to be conducive to human habitation.

In fact, this continent is probably one of the most dangerous on the planet. Let me explain.

The United States has more tornadoes every year than any other country on the planet, with an average of 1200, the country that comes second is Canada, with 100 tornadoes a year.

Then there is this fact, there are 6 known supervolcanoes on the planet... The US has 3 of them. Yellowstone, Long Valley in California, and the Valles caldera in New Mexico.

Yup, mother nature did not want humans on this continent, and she is going to remove us one way or another.

Or it could be that I have entirely too much time on my hands.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4s0nzsU1Wg




Kaliko -> RE: I hate to be the bearer of bad news but.... (5/2/2013 7:21:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

I love how this thread went from mega-volcanic eruptions and asteroid strikes to black ice and wayward deer as the mechanisms of humanity's demise...[;)]



And White Castle.




MasterCaneman -> RE: I hate to be the bearer of bad news but.... (5/2/2013 9:21:03 PM)

Can't forget about White Castle, true. The post-apocalyptic world will suck just that much more without White Castle...[;)]




Exidor -> RE: I hate to be the bearer of bad news but.... (5/3/2013 8:44:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady
What about sinkholes?


Sinkholes originate in Moscow, and migrate to other parts of the planet.

Take a look at the pictures on Englishrussia.com sometime...




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