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DaddySatyr -> Some JETS Don't Fly (4/30/2013 1:40:54 AM)
I'm not exactly sure this is the right spot but, I didn't want to put this in the NFL thread because I think it deserves one of its own (Some of us are kinky *and* sports fans too, right?). I'm a semi-geek when it comes to a lot of things I'm into so, naturally, I paid attention to the NFL draft this past week/weekend. One of my teams (I support all teams that are originally from NYC) picked Geno Smith in the second round (Friday night). I honestly thought it was a good pick, all things considered. The trouble is; had they signed Mr. Smith, immediately, it would have brought their Quaterback roster count up to 6 so, essentially, they had six quaterbacks and three of them would be considered "marquee" quaterbacks; Sanchez (It's obvious), Tebow (Won the Heismann Trophy and has had a media furor since), and now Smith (Picked in the second round isn't like being picked in the first round but, it still puts him in the "marquee" discussion). There's an old expression in the NFL: "If you have two (marquee) quaterbacks, you have no quaterback." Okay that isn't what this post is exactly about but I wanted to give some of the non-football fans some context. Mark Sanchez's first year in the league was after the Bret Favre experiment/debacle. He played the team into the playoffs (with a couple of impressive come-from-behind victories in the regular season) by way of Indiana "resting players" and losing, the last week. The JAY! EEE! TEE! ESS! and Mark Sanchez went on the road and won two playoff games, that year. They only beat Payton Manning and Tom Brady. In that off season, the JAY! EEE! TEE! ESS! released/traded/didn't re-sign an offense lineman and a receiver. The next year, the JAY! EEE! TEE! ESS! made the playoffs, again and won two more road play-off games. That off-season, the JAY! EEE! TEE! ESS! released/traded/didn't re-sign a couple of more receivers and another lineman. Their running back retired so, not their fault but Sanchez lost more weapons. The JAY! EEE! TEE! ESS! did horribly in 2011 and they didn't make the play-offs. So, obviously, it was Sanchez's fault so the JAY! EEE! TEE! ESS! go out and get Tim Tebow for the 2012 season. Had they really been meaning to give him a chance to compete, it might have been an okay move but they wasted whatever ability Tebow had also. The 2012 season didn't go very well, either. Now, we just had the 2013 draft and the JAY! EEE! TEE! ESS! took Geno Smith and just today (Mon 29 APR 2013) they finally did the right thing and released Tim Tebow. Maybe he can play up in Canada or maybe he can even find an NFL team so, gazai gazint (or however that's spelled. I'm illiterate in most of the languages I speak). Now, there's the natural furor that results from the old expression I gave you, earlier on. The JAY! EEE! TEE! ESS! have two "marquee" quaterbacks so, they have no quaterback. That's not even the issue. The JAY! EEE! TEE! ESS! have, essentially, stolen Sanchez's career from him by not giving him the weapons he needed to be successful. Yes, that statement may be a bit overly dramatized but, they have mis-used/mis-treated him. It is time for the team to do the right thing and release Mark Sanchez so that he can go find another team. Look, I'm not claiming he'll ever make it to the PFHOF but on the right team, he could enjoy some reasonable success. The JAY! EEE! TEE! ESS! need to give this kid the opportunity to salvage something of his career before his stock falls as low as Tim Tebow's has (partially attributable to the team's inept management). Peace and comfort, Michael

DarkSteven -> RE: Some JETS Don't Fly (4/30/2013 4:24:26 AM)
The Jets - where QBs go to have their careers ruined. All I can figure is that Rex Ryan must have compromising photos of the team's owner.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Some JETS Don't Fly (4/30/2013 4:39:37 AM)
I've met Woody Johnson. I'm not even sure he knows how to run Johnson & Johnson, much less a professional sports franchise. I don't think Rex has anything on Woody, per se. I *know* that Woody has a "fetish" for big name quarterbacks. The only thing I can figure is because he believes that that will put fannies in the seats/be good for business. Peace and comfort, Michael

muhly22222 -> RE: Some JETS Don't Fly (4/30/2013 5:14:14 AM)
Sure, Sanchez's career started out well, and then he's faded over the last few years. I would submit that those early seasons were successful because Sanchez wasn't asked to do as much as he was in later years. Early in his career, the Jets ran the ball and played great defense. Over the last few years, the wheels have come off of those buses, and now they don't have a running game or much of a defense (though those are related...if the running game were functional, the defense wouldn't spend as much time on the field, so they'd play better when they were on the field because they wouldn't be as tired). Maybe the Jets have stolen Sanchez's career away from him, or maybe he just didn't have the talent people thought he would once he was asked to take that next step. But I agree that they need to release him. Keeping him around is just going to cause problems. Not to mention that they owe him a boatload of cash if he keeps playing...they need to find a way to unload that so that they can start working on surrounding Geno with some weapons, because they don't exactly have a lot of them right now.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Some JETS Don't Fly (4/30/2013 9:41:43 AM)
I wish Dallas would trade their GM for Tebow. I'm not saying he'd play or they even need him. I just wish Dallas would trade their GM.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Some JETS Don't Fly (4/30/2013 10:03:03 AM)
I've been reading and re-reading this post and I am not trying to be insulting but, I think you're arguing both sides of the case, counselor. I'm going to be breaking up your post, a bit ... First, you have this: quote: ORIGINAL: muhly22222 Sure, Sanchez's career started out well, and then he's faded over the last few years. I would submit that those early seasons were successful because Sanchez wasn't asked to do as much as he was in later years. Early in his career, the Jets ran the ball and played great defense. Over the last few years, the wheels have come off of those buses, and now they don't have a running game or much of a defense (though those are related...if the running game were functional, the defense wouldn't spend as much time on the field, so they'd play better when they were on the field because they wouldn't be as tired). This sounds an awful lot like you're saying that the team was better earlier in his career and as the team got "worse", they asked him to do more. Then, you have: quote: ORIGINAL: muhly22222 ...they need to find a way to unload that so that they can start working on surrounding Geno with some weapons, because they don't exactly have a lot of them right now. This sounds like you're admitting that they don't have a whole lot of weapons, right now; which shores up the point that both of us have made. So, I'm confused. They had offensive weapons, five years ago, when Sanchez first took the field and now, they don't. You're agreeing with me? Also: quote: ORIGINAL: muhly22222 But I agree that they need to release him. Keeping him around is just going to cause problems. Not to mention that they owe him a boatload of cash if he keeps playing The JAY! EEE! TEE! ESS! owe him a ton of money, even if they cut him. Their cap hit for this year is $8 million and 2.5 (I think), for next year. Sure, they save his salary if he doesn't play but some people are arguing (and I think wrongly so) that it's better to just keep him around, since they're paying him, anyway. Well, they're going to pay him the guaranteed money (cap hit/signing bonus) whether he plays or not and by keeping him, they're really just being vindictive (IMO). Peace and comfort, Michael

Level -> RE: Some JETS Don't Fly (4/30/2013 10:17:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam I wish Dallas would trade their GM for Tebow. I'm not saying he'd play or they even need him. I just wish Dallas would trade their GM. I don't want Tebow anywhere near Dallas, but Jerry's draft makes me ill. As for Sanchez, he was horribly overated coming out of USC, and has little shot at being an upper-tier QB. I'd rather give Pat Haden some Geritol and take my chances with him.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Some JETS Don't Fly (4/30/2013 10:31:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam I wish Dallas would trade their GM for Tebow. I'm not saying he'd play or they even need him. I just wish Dallas would trade their GM. I don't want Tebow anywhere near Dallas, but Jerry's draft makes me ill. As for Sanchez, he was horribly overated coming out of USC, and has little shot at being an upper-tier QB. I'd rather give Pat Haden some Geritol and take my chances with him. I bet he'd make a better GM than Jerry. Maybe that's his calling.

muhly22222 -> RE: Some JETS Don't Fly (4/30/2013 11:55:05 AM)
quote: They had offensive weapons, five years ago, when Sanchez first took the field and now, they don't. You're agreeing with me? I do agree with that, yes. I think it's a combination of Sanchez not being as good as advertised (he holds the ball too long, throws off his back foot too often, makes seemingly incomprehensible reads) and a lack of talent to cover up for those faults, which he had earlier in his career. Also, the defense there isn't good enough to allow that earlier offense to be successful. The Jets need to be able to throw, because their defense can't hold teams to ridiculously low point totals anymore. As far as the need to release him...beyond the financial reasons (more on that in a second), from a standpoint of team chemistry and QB confidence, they need to have "their guy," and that guy clearly isn't Sanchez. It's Geno. After the year Sanchez just had, they can't keep him on the team and allow him to compete for the spot, or Geno's confidence is going to take a roller-coaster ride. And if they anoint Sanchez the starter for this year to let Geno learn while sitting (a la Carson Palmer), the NY crowd will be merciless the second Sanchez throws an interception, and they'll be vociferous in calling for Geno to take over, which defeated the whole purpose of keeping Sanchez around. As to the financial aspect of releasing Sanchez: he'll play somewhere. There are enough teams desperate for a QB (especially if their starter goes down early) that a QB with starting experience will pick up a contract. That will relieve the Jets of a substantial portion of their obligation to him, though likely not all. I have to imagine there's a trade for at least a 5th or 6th rounder out there, too.

njlauren -> RE: Some JETS Don't Fly (4/30/2013 7:30:41 PM)
As a long suffering Jets fan, all I have to say is same old Jets......this draft made little sense, and I suspect what you will see with the Jets is what I have seen far too many times, which is a long period where each year we hear they are rebuilding. The cornerback was an okay pick, except the Jets didn't really need a corner, the guy they drafted is good but not a superstar, and corner is one position they don't have to worry about (Cromartie has risen to be one of the best in the league, and Wilson is serviceable). Problem is, the Jets D line can't penetrate, none of the D line can get pressure (wilkerson, coples, Richardson, the new guy), they have 1 linebacker (David Harris), they have no safeties...and they did pretty much zip to bolster that. Their offensive line had problems last year, and this years draft may not do much to help that, they don't have a decent back (Ivory had 1 good season, though a 4th round for that is no big deal), they basically have no good receivers (as they said in the Movie Major league, Holmes is merely high priced), Hill can't catch, and they have no tight end. They may figure they will get people off the cut list due to salary cap and from unsigned free agents, but they basically don't have a team. Sanchez no matter what they do is a 12 million dollar hit, and I doubt any teams will want him, he is poison. The first two years the Jets built the team so he couldn't fail, he did show poise in the playoffs, but he basically is not a QB you can put the team on. Peyton Manning kept the Colts going all those years, with a weak team, Sanchez can't do that. I keep hearing excuses for last year, but for example, he was not under pressure, he was 19th in being pressured in the league, and while they had trouble with receivers, he also overthrew or underthrew them, his accuracy is horrible, and his decision making was atrocious, and that isn't players. ESPN ran one of their analysis on QB, taking out things like drops and mistakes by position players, and Sanchez was still dead last, and this in his 4th year. Even with a good team, he would have trouble. I used to think he showed promise, and while I don't disagree about personel, when the man, as in the infamous NY Giants debacle on Christmas eve (also known as the game of brotherly love, I was there with my son, it was ugly in the stands) overthrew a receiver by 30 yards and got picked off by the Giants secondary, it isn't good. I don't know why they got Geno Smith, he isn't RGIII, he is a typical college running quarterback, and despite the predictions of the experts how that was going to take over the game, it fails in the pros. Tebow tried his crap against New England and got his ribs broken, RGIII tore up his knee (and if Shanahan allows the pistol, he is a serious moron), and Kapernick is going to find that his running shtick isn't going to work. The NFL is just too fast and too strong for the option crap, and Smith isn't even good at that (Syracuse' defense stomped him in the Pinstripe Bowl, and their D was godawful). Geno Smith is Mike Vick with 1/2 the talent, and that isn't saying much. Personally I think Ryan wants to try the same ground and pound that has failed the last two years, they picked up a fullback in part for blocking, and they probably think he will be the wildcat back, and probably Garard will start (if he has gotten over his injuries, and isn't too rusty, Garard is a serviceable quarterback with a decent arm, he is much better than Sanchez). What do I expect? A mess, and in terms of rebuilding it is going to take a lot of years to make them competitive again, because this draft didn't show much except the same old same old. It was a crappy draft class in many ways, the QB's were all mediocre, wasn't a lot of great backs, but what they picked shows more of the same formula that has failed. Ryan took credit for the 2 AFC championship games, but as much as I hated them as coaches, Mangini and Herb were active in draft decisions and it shows, whereas the drafts under Ryan have been dismal to say the least (no breakout players, Coples and Wilkerson both #1's, are at best okay). I really scratched my head at the GM, another beancounter like Tennenbaum? As the guy on FAN said when they had the press conference for Idzik, the NY Jets introduced their new chief accountant today...... I expect a lot of pain, and to quote a fan at the first game I ever took my son to "I have to be completely mentally ill to have tickets to this team and expect them actually to win"...after 40+ seasons, about all I have left to enjoy is cynical humor with my son and watching them tear the jets apart on the SNY post game show.....being a Jets fan made being trans a walk in the park.....

DarkSteven -> RE: Some JETS Don't Fly (4/30/2013 8:12:03 PM)
Actually, I'm tremendously bothered by the fact that Smith fired his agent because of his low pick. It's a REALLY bad sign when a QB doesn't accept responsibility and blames others.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Some JETS Don't Fly (5/1/2013 7:57:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Actually, I'm tremendously bothered by the fact that Smith fired his agent because of his low pick. It's a REALLY bad sign when a QB doesn't accept responsibility and blames others. I couldn't agree more, if that was the real reason. I get the impression that this young man has a sense of humor. Also, people in the public eye tend not to tell the real story, when they have a falling out. Maybe Jay-Z snapped him up, too? LOL Peace and comfort, Michael

Hillwilliam -> RE: Some JETS Don't Fly (5/1/2013 8:46:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Actually, I'm tremendously bothered by the fact that Smith fired his agent because of his low pick. It's a REALLY bad sign when a QB doesn't accept responsibility and blames others. I couldn't agree more, if that was the real reason. I get the impression that this young man has a sense of humor. Also, people in the public eye tend not to tell the real story, when they have a falling out. Maybe Jay-Z snapped him up, too? LOL Peace and comfort, Michael For his sake, I hope you're right. Immature quarterback + New York media = Bloodbath.

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