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Real0ne -> Boston: Enough is Enough! (4/21/2013 8:28:10 PM)


The multi-billion dollar Cookware Industry has the US government by the balls. Not only has the Cookware Industry is committing acts terrorism against politicians (by deciding who and who does not get support), but also against the American people. Because we all know, the sale of a product automatically condones it's subsequent misuse.

We all know the NRA is responsible for all gun violence because they believe that the misuse of 0.0004% of all firearms is hardly justification in regulating them out of existence.

We must ban assault pressure cookers:

- Cookers that hold more than ten cups in the handles are unnecessary. In our society of needs, why would anyone need more than that?

- Pressure cookers with the shoulder thing that goes up have no legitimate use in society, even if 99.9996% of them are never misused.

- Black pressure cookers only have military applications. People can have silver pressure cookers even if they two are capable of the same cooking ability.

Why do food nuts rule the roost? I believe that people who are ignorant and know close to nothing about pressure cookers should have a say in banning those weapons on mass destruction.






stef -> RE: Boston: Enough is Enough! (4/21/2013 11:46:21 PM)

Plagiarist.




WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: Boston: Enough is Enough! (4/22/2013 4:12:26 AM)

http://www.politicalforum.com/political-opinions-beliefs/298964-we-must-petition-our-government.html [8|]




Moonhead -> RE: Boston: Enough is Enough! (4/22/2013 5:09:20 AM)

That's probably what those chechnyans thought last Monday.




Yachtie -> RE: Boston: Enough is Enough! (4/22/2013 5:22:52 AM)

Ban it!

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Lucylastic -> RE: Boston: Enough is Enough! (4/22/2013 9:14:02 AM)

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FunCouple5280 -> RE: Boston: Enough is Enough! (4/22/2013 9:23:39 AM)

Hmmm, Have they proven neglegence yet lucy? Then where is the criminal act....

Maybe the politicians should be hung for crappy zoning laws. Who lets you build a neighborhood next to chemical factory?




Lucylastic -> RE: Boston: Enough is Enough! (4/22/2013 9:27:11 AM)

oh dear Im sorry, do I have to be correct, so I have proof of guilt?? do I need to be factual????? this whole thread is a fucking joke...take it in stride...
Arent rich capitalists also politicians???
Edited to ask
why hasnt the Texas explosion warranted a thread???




FunCouple5280 -> RE: Boston: Enough is Enough! (4/22/2013 9:28:03 AM)

They can be




DesideriScuri -> RE: Boston: Enough is Enough! (4/22/2013 9:29:27 AM)

There's this thing called an "accident," see? Typically, the difference between an "accident" and a crime has to do with intent, see? Unless you have some sort of knowledge that the W. TX plant was intentionally blown up, any equivalence between the accident and the Boston bombings, etc. are just dead ass wrong.




Lucylastic -> RE: Boston: Enough is Enough! (4/22/2013 9:34:50 AM)

tell that to the community, tell that to the deads families, the injured, anyone who lost their home, their livelihoods, ... there are no accidents.. are there.... just people not doing things the right way.
tell that to the people affected by exxons latest oil spill
devastation...by bomb, by "accident" is subjective.






RacerJim -> RE: Boston: Enough is Enough! (4/22/2013 9:40:13 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

oh dear Im sorry, do I have to be correct, so I have proof of guilt?? do I need to be factual????? this whole thread is a fucking joke...take it in stride...
Arent rich capitalists also politicians???
Edited to ask
why hasnt the Texas explosion warranted a thread???


"this whole thread is a fucking joke..."? Because you can't handle the truth?
"...take it in stride..."? Because there's nothing to see here?
You sound just like Hitlery..."What difference, at this point, does it make?"

We now know the Boston bombers not only were Islamic terrorists but, moreover, we also now know that the Russian government warned our government about them two years ago and our government did nothing.




Lucylastic -> RE: Boston: Enough is Enough! (4/22/2013 9:43:48 AM)

you think you know...but jim.... youve proven time and again.... you lack in that area....[8D]
Now what have I said that proves to your fertile blob of a mind that I cannot handle anything.




FunCouple5280 -> RE: Boston: Enough is Enough! (4/22/2013 9:44:18 AM)

That is all fair lucy, but how do you make fertilizer, or get oil? At some point, you need a facility and you need people to staff it. NOTHING is perfect and in some way carries risks.... At some point you have say there are accidents and they happen.

Exxon is paying. Maybe west fertilizer CO can't. That is why I am happy to donate some cash for victims assistance.




thompsonx -> RE: Boston: Enough is Enough! (4/22/2013 10:11:59 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280

That is all fair lucy, but how do you make fertilizer, or get oil? At some point, you need a facility and you need people to staff it. NOTHING is perfect and in some way carries risks.... At some point you have say there are accidents and they happen.

"Accidents happen" is a nice phrase if you want to get your ass off the hook but it is specious at best. Accidents do not "happen" if they did then the ntsb would not do what they do when an airplne falls out of the sky "accidently". Everything has a cause. Your "accidents" may have been caused by management failing to follow proper proceedure as a form of "revenue ehancement"

quote:



Exxon is paying. Maybe west fertilizer CO can't. That is why I am happy to donate some cash for victims assistance.



There is more than a fair mount of information concerning say the bp oil blowout in the gulf of mexico and the incident on bopahl india.
Would you consider those to be "accidents" or criminal negligence?




FunCouple5280 -> RE: Boston: Enough is Enough! (4/22/2013 10:22:52 AM)

Tommy I am only arguing against the common knee jerk that you have to blame someone and crucify them. If you there is a good reason for it, get out the hammer and nails, I am fine with that, but wait for the facts.


But yes there are accidents. Let us look at the NTSB example. A part fails due to a microscopic imperfection in a part. Now that part met all standards and testing protocals. But after 30,000hrs of use it suddenly failed and caused the crash. That incident, while it has a casue, could not have been forseen and is therefore an accident. Once the cause is determined, if nothing is done to fix it, it then ceases to be 'accidents' and becomes a case of neglegence..... They investigate to determine whether or not it was an accident, and whether or not the incident can be avoided in the process.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Boston: Enough is Enough! (4/22/2013 10:28:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
tell that to the community, tell that to the deads families, the injured, anyone who lost their home, their livelihoods, ... there are no accidents.. are there.... just people not doing things the right way.
tell that to the people affected by exxons latest oil spill
devastation...by bomb, by "accident" is subjective.


Do you have any proof that the Exxon/BP spills or that the W TX plant explosion wasn't an accident? Were they intentional?

The Boston bombings were planned out. There was intention of causing damage and death. I'd almost be willing to bet that the brothers were disappointed in the death toll.

Next thing you know, you'll be saying that the plant explosion is the same as the deaths caused by Hitler Mugabe.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Boston: Enough is Enough! (4/22/2013 10:29:15 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RacerJim

We now know the Boston bombers not only were Islamic terrorists but, moreover, we also now know that the Russian government warned our government about them two years ago and our government did nothing.



This is surprising? We were warned about Bin Laden, too and did nothing about it until the bastard killed almost 4,000 innocent people




Lucylastic -> RE: Boston: Enough is Enough! (4/22/2013 10:30:59 AM)

why not use the texas accident insterad, on what we already know
The Associated Press cited records showing the U.S. Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration fined West Fertilizer $10,000 last summer for safety violations that included planning to transport anhydrous ammonia without a security plan. An inspector also found the plant's ammonia tanks weren't properly labeled.

The government accepted $5,250 after the company took what it described as corrective actions, the records show. It is not unusual for companies to negotiate lower fines with regulators.

In a risk-management plan filed with the Environmental Protection Agency in 2011, the company declared that it was not handling flammable materials and did not have sprinklers, water-deluge systems, blast walls, fire walls or other safety mechanisms in place at the plant.

In March 2006, the EPA fined West Chemical and Fertilizer, as the company was known then, fined $2,300 for not updating its risk-management plan, not keeping good records on employee training records and not having a formal written maintenance program.



Attorney Terrence Welch of Richardson, Texas, an expert on land-use law in the state, says it's not surprising that homes and schools would be located near industrial facilities in a small town such as West, which grew up around railroad tracks.

"In a lot of small towns, you'll find houses not far from these types of facilities," he says. "Even though cities have zoning powers, the houses have been there sometimes long before cities adopted zoning ordinances."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/19/west-texas-fertilizer-blast/2095817/
12 of the dead are first responders

are they lesser "dead innocents", because they chose to be first responders? I dont happen to think so.




tj444 -> RE: Boston: Enough is Enough! (4/22/2013 10:38:11 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280

That is all fair lucy, but how do you make fertilizer, or get oil? At some point, you need a facility and you need people to staff it. NOTHING is perfect and in some way carries risks.... At some point you have say there are accidents and they happen.

If everything was done right and according to the regs, the place should not have blown up... someone screwed up somewhere along the line, either cuz they were negligent, not properly trained or ordered to do things that broke the regs (that are in place to keep people as safe as possible).. they are still investigating but it looks (to me) like it should have been preventable..

"Texas fertilizer company didn't heed disclosure rules before blast
The fertilizer plant that exploded on Wednesday, obliterating part of a small Texas town and killing at least 14 people, had last year been storing 1,350 times the amount of ammonium nitrate that would normally trigger safety oversight by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS).
"It seems this manufacturer was willfully off the grid," Rep. Bennie Thompson, (D-MS), ranking member of the House Committee on Homeland Security, said in a statement. "This facility was known to have chemicals well above the threshold amount to be regulated under the Chemical Facility Anti-Terrorism Standards Act (CFATS), yet we understand that DHS did not even know the plant existed until it blew up.""

http://news.yahoo.com/texas-fertilizer-company-didnt-heed-disclosure-rules-blast-171654800--finance.html




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