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Hillwilliam -> RE: Rightists are out - and have decided who's to blame for Boston bombing (4/17/2013 5:32:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: njlauren Yeah, I heard the same thing, some pundit was going on about right wing groups in NPR, and of course, the right is immediately blaming Muslims (I am surprised they also aren't claiming God did this in response to Mass having same sex marriage). That's a job for Freddy Phelps and his band of merry marchers.

Zonie63 -> RE: Rightists are out - and have decided who's to blame for Boston bombing (4/17/2013 5:49:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: quote: Could you please give us an example or two of the "left`s" hyperbole? Thanks in advance..... ? I would say any of the tripe spewed by MSNBC and Fox would count at this point. I believe this is a first! I have never heard any one describe Fox as spewing 'leftish hyperbole'! I know that what passes for Right and Left in the USA is pretty different to everywhere else but even by American standards, Fox isn't known as a bastion of the Left ..... I suppose there's a first for everything! [:D] I suppose everything is relative, depending on where one is on the political spectrum. If there are examples of leftist hyperbole, then Fox may have found them and used them, perhaps as a way of criticizing the left. I'm not sure what the previous poster meant by leftist hyperbole, so we may need further clarification on that. I'm not a regular watcher of Fox, but I've seen where they might use some examples of soundbites from the left to make them look bad. I think left and right each have their share of goofballs and miscreants. I have no idea who did this or why, so all this speculation might be premature. It could be anyone at this point, for motives that no one has even considered yet.

Fightdirecto -> RE: Rightists are out - and have decided who's to blame for Boston bombing (4/17/2013 6:29:14 AM)
From the Right - [image]local://upfiles/42188/E0D16398D0A5466BA98C1AB55F9D3EA9.jpg[/image]

Fightdirecto -> RE: Rightists are out - and have decided who's to blame for Boston bombing (4/17/2013 6:31:33 AM)
To this day, there are still people who refuse to label the Atlanta Olympic bombing an act of "terrorism" because the bomber, Eric Rudolph was a native-born White "Christian" American and claimed that he did it because he was pro-life/anti-abortion. Eric Rudolph's statement at his sentencing quote: The purpose of the attack on July 27th at Centennial Park was to confound, anger and embarrass the Washington government in the eyes of the world for its abominable sanctioning of abortion on demand. - Eric Rudolph's statement at his sentencing In the eyes of some Americans, the Atlanta Olympic bombing wasn't "terrorism" because it was for a "pro-life" reason. IMO, when they finally find out who did the Boston bombings (Americans or foreigners) and why they did it, there will be some people even then who will refuse to call the bombings "terrorism".

DesideriScuri -> RE: Rightists are out - and have decided who's to blame for Boston bombing (4/17/2013 6:51:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: quote: Could you please give us an example or two of the "left`s" hyperbole? Thanks in advance..... ? I would say any of the tripe spewed by MSNBC and Fox would count at this point. I believe this is a first! I have never heard any one describe Fox as spewing 'leftish hyperbole'! I know that what passes for Right and Left in the USA is pretty different to everywhere else but even by American standards, Fox isn't known as a bastion of the Left ..... I suppose there's a first for everything! [:D] Fox News Channel had Alan Combs!! [:D] ~~If that's not proof of FNC being a bastion of the Left, then I don't know what bastion means.~~ (Edited to complete the joke.)

leonine -> RE: Rightists are out - and have decided who's to blame for Boston bombing (4/17/2013 6:52:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto To this day, there are still people who refuse to label the Atlanta Olympic bombing an act of "terrorism" because the bomber, Eric Rudolph was a native-born White "Christian" American and claimed that he did it because he was pro-life/anti-abortion. Eric Rudolph's statement at his sentencing quote: The purpose of the attack on July 27th at Centennial Park was to confound, anger and embarrass the Washington government in the eyes of the world for its abominable sanctioning of abortion on demand. - Eric Rudolph's statement at his sentencing In the eyes of some Americans, the Atlanta Olympic bombing wasn't "terrorism" because it was for a "pro-life" reason. IMO, when they finally find out who did the Boston bombings (Americans or foreigners) and why they did it, there will be some people even then who will refuse to call the bombings "terrorism". Yes, it sourly amused me when the first reports of this came in and all the officials were saying "We can't say yet if this is an act of terrorism." Duh, what else would you call it, a student prank? But it was perfectly obvious that what they meant was "We don't know yet if we can blame it on Muslims." Kudos to Obama for saying that an act like this is an act of terrorism, no quibbles. And as others have already noted, the lack of anyone bragging about it rules out most of the usual suspects. (Including the Men In Black, since there's no point in a false-flag op with no flag.) I'm only surprised Al-Qaeda didn't claim it on general principles. But they may have calculated that from the amateurish look of it, the real culprits will probably be caught soon.

Rule -> RE: Rightists are out - and have decided who's to blame for Boston bombing (4/17/2013 6:53:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto there will be some people [snip] who will refuse to call the bombings "terrorism". I am one of them: terrorism does not exist in my opinion. Crimes do exist. This was a crime.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Rightists are out - and have decided who's to blame for Boston bombing (4/17/2013 6:57:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: leonine Yes, it sourly amused me when the first reports of this came in and all the officials were saying "We can't say yet if this is an act of terrorism." Duh, what else would you call it, a student prank? But it was perfectly obvious that what they meant was "We don't know yet if we can blame it on Muslims." Kudos to Obama for saying that an act like this is an act of terrorism, no quibbles. And as others have already noted, the lack of anyone bragging about it rules out most of the usual suspects. (Including the Men In Black, since there's no point in a false-flag op with no flag.) I'm only surprised Al-Qaeda didn't claim it on general principles. But they may have calculated that from the amateurish look of it, the real culprits will probably be caught soon. Do you believe that the officials only believe Muslims are capable of terrorism? I'm sure AQ wouldn't claim this regardless of their role in it. It was amateur compared to most of their works. So, I'm sure they wouldn't want that on their resumes to be used as fodder to point at their org. being impotent.

Rule -> RE: Rightists are out - and have decided who's to blame for Boston bombing (4/17/2013 7:00:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: leonine the lack of anyone bragging about it rules out most of the usual suspects. (Including the Men In Black, since there's no point in a false-flag op with no flag.) The culprit may not be identified within a week. That would be an embarrassment for various agencies... ,,,which would be easily forgotten if suddenly near one of the blast sites was found a half burnt passport - preferably from one of the alleged highjackers of the 9/11 planes...

MasterCaneman -> RE: Rightists are out - and have decided who's to blame for Boston bombing (4/17/2013 7:06:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: quote: Could you please give us an example or two of the "left`s" hyperbole? Thanks in advance..... ? I would say any of the tripe spewed by MSNBC and Fox would count at this point. I believe this is a first! I have never heard any one describe Fox as spewing 'leftish hyperbole'! I know that what passes for Right and Left in the USA is pretty different to everywhere else but even by American standards, Fox isn't known as a bastion of the Left ..... I suppose there's a first for everything! [:D] Sorry for the confusing post. I meant the partisan spittle both sides are hurling over this. I blame all of the mainstream media for the volume and intensity of the bile they emit in their search for ratings. That's what I get for posting after a few drinks, I guess.

Notsweet -> RE: Rightists are out - and have decided who's to blame for Boston bombing (4/17/2013 7:36:40 AM)
How about we stop pointing fingers and guessing "which side" it was? On any curve, there are nutbags and criminal minds on both sides. BOTH sides. This is disgusting. This is terrorism no matter who did it, and I've seen nothing said on any side that denies that. Regardless of the side, these people are dealing with infections, burns, psychological scarring, prostheses, more surgeries, waiting for someone to die. How about a six year old thinking about starting elementary school with no legs, a dead brother, a brain damaged mother, and a father who has to be so eaten up with grief and guilt (for taking his children to an historic event, no less) that every day for years is going to be a nightmare? While the keyboard kommandos are solving the crime here, they could be raising some money or making an appointment to go donate blood in two weeks when the hospitals will be desperate. How about doing something worthwhile, instead of doing the government's job of keeping the masses pitted against each other?

Owner59 -> RE: Rightists are out - and have decided who's to blame for Boston bombing (4/17/2013 7:56:00 AM)
We can talk about how rightist media is abusing this tragedy without your permission. We still enjoy freedom of thought and speech........for now at least.

Notsweet -> RE: Rightists are out - and have decided who's to blame for Boston bombing (4/17/2013 8:44:02 AM)
Again, sit on your ass and do nothing. Except exercise your freedom of speech. Incessantly. Until the PCers come and take it away with your blessing. Again, found the hide button. Do that keyboard jerkoff that you do so well. The rest of us will do the work.

JeffBC -> RE: Rightists are out - and have decided who's to blame for Boston bombing (4/17/2013 8:47:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Well, sure, Jeff, but you seem to be a thinking leftist, of consistent values. Unfortunately, the time to have kicked the anarchists off the team would have been during the shitting on a police car stage. You should know better than that. Do you have some secret way to kick the nut jobs off your team other than decrying their statements/actions one at a time as they come up? I mean.. I assume there's at least a few very visible conservatives you'd prefer not to associate with. Sadly, I don't think any large group/movement/whatever has any way to ban the zealots. Too bad really because if we did it'd be a clean sweep in DC on both sides of the aisle then actual business could start getting done.

JeffBC -> RE: Rightists are out - and have decided who's to blame for Boston bombing (4/17/2013 8:51:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: leonine And as others have already noted, the lack of anyone bragging about it rules out ... the Men In Black, since there's no point in a false-flag op with no flag. Sadly, that is not true. I don't have any strong belief that it's the US govt but I don't have much reason to disbelieve that either. It's one of many possible theories in my head that are all awaiting more data and then hoping I can find some way to trust that or validate that data.

FunCouple5280 -> RE: Rightists are out - and have decided who's to blame for Boston bombing (4/17/2013 9:07:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman quote: ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280 Yawn Crazy is as crazy does..... There have already been lefties claiming it is right-wing militia nuts We won't know shit for days. It is irresponsible to speculate as to the who and why, and more irresponsible to place the blame. And FD, glazing over left wing nut jobs making ass assumptions to point out right wing nut jobs making ass assumptions is nothing more than making a tragedy serve your own political agenda....... Shame on you! Thank you for the voice of reason. I won't even turn on the TV today because I can't stand the hyperbole being spewed by the right and the left. Let the authorities figure this one out. That's what they're paid to do, and they have the tools and experts to do it. Could you please give us an example or two of the "left`s" hyperbole? Thanks in advance..... Chris Matthews You might not like the source but it is Chris Matthews' own words. I don't give a fuck whether this was an islamist, a leftist, the IRA, a nut job or a right wing kook! It is an aweful tragedy period, and everyone pointing fingers without knowing the truth is a shameful ASSHOLE!!!! Owner, you and FD are such partisan hacks you can't see the forest through the trees. Using tragedy to advance your political agenda is a terrible and shameful act. I know Beck and others have been on the speculation wheel too and I deplore that. But I see this marginalizing by finger pointing at one group or another to excuse your own ass speculation as just aweful as making the assumptions I am really saddened by this. The years I spent at university there were great, and the race was a highlight every year. I watched many friends and cheered many people on at that race. There is no political significance to this race. Whoever did this is a fucking scumbag!!! plain and simple. And that knows no political boundaries.

mnottertail -> RE: Rightists are out - and have decided who's to blame for Boston bombing (4/17/2013 9:17:31 AM)
I am lost there, you might have a point, but there was no chris matthews on your chris matthews link, and it did not seem to be hyperbole at all. Perhaps you have watched several and have a copy of some other link in your cache you poked up there. Just sayin. Not commenting on anything else till we see the right link.

FunCouple5280 -> RE: Rightists are out - and have decided who's to blame for Boston bombing (4/17/2013 9:36:59 AM)
Damn thing is now stuck in an advertisement loop. I will look for a diffent link to it, but one comment on the vid was "as a category, normally, domestic terrorists tend to be on the far right." While it may be factually correct now, why speculate and try and place the blame? Of course Matthews doesn't even know if this was domestic terrorism, nor would that statement have been true 50 yrs ago as political winds shift and drift.

mnottertail -> RE: Rightists are out - and have decided who's to blame for Boston bombing (4/17/2013 9:41:15 AM)
I wouldnt consider that meeting the necessary and sufficient conditions for hyperbole, but I will take a wait and see attitude. I agree that statement may have not been true 50 years ago, but he made it today, now had he made that statement 50 years ago, you got hyperbole, hands down, comin from me. Yeah, why does anyone speculate? But news is not news any longer, and they help hype the speculation, cuz it is the trainwreck that people crave. Me, I am still sticking with Australians, I never was comfortable with them guys......

Kirata -> RE: Rightists are out - and have decided who's to blame for Boston bombing (4/17/2013 9:53:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280 Using tragedy to advance your political agenda is a terrible and shameful act. In the current thread on the subject, I posted a righteously hysterical parody calling for the banning of cell phones. The anti-gun crowd wasted no time in climbing all over me for bringing the gun debate into the thread. Heh. The gun debate? I never once mentioned guns! Zip. Nada. But obviously they recognized it as a parody of themselves, and rushed to proclaim it a despicable tactic when other people do it. K.

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