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BamaD -> RE: At least 11 hurt in Texas College stabbings (4/9/2013 10:40:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59


Question for the gun-nutia......


Would you be willing to tackle someone,or even think about it, if you knew they had a gun?


Doubt it.




I once faced down a person who was hell bent on shooting 4 people behind me, I think that counts.




BamaD -> RE: At least 11 hurt in Texas College stabbings (4/9/2013 10:41:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59


Question for the gun-nutia......


Would you be willing to tackle someone,or even think about it, if you knew they had a gun?


Doubt it.




The idea of being in hand to hand bothers me more if they have a knife.


Same here.




BamaD -> RE: At least 11 hurt in Texas College stabbings (4/9/2013 10:43:32 PM)

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Really this illustrates the big difference between the US and other nations. We have a bunch of mentally imbalanced mother fuckers that have either been created or are not being dealt with properly. Anyone willing to go on a stabbing spree, would not be inhibited by whatever weapons ban you put into effect.


This should be our focus.




Nosathro -> RE: At least 11 hurt in Texas College stabbings (4/9/2013 11:06:13 PM)

I did a little research on the Lone Star College, this is not the first incident of violence on the campus. In January a student pulled a gun and shot a few people during a heated argument. Lone Star College does have armed guards on campus, so much that that as well.

http://www.khou.com/news/local/How-Safe-Are-Lone-Star-College-Campuses-202219421.html




BamaD -> RE: At least 11 hurt in Texas College stabbings (4/10/2013 9:30:08 AM)

The guy in Texas used a "razor like" knife that broke of in one of the victims.
As pointed out earlier had he used a survival or Bowie it would have been much worse, even more so if he knew how to use it.




Hillwilliam -> RE: At least 11 hurt in Texas College stabbings (4/10/2013 9:48:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59


Question for the gun-nutia......


Would you be willing to tackle someone,or even think about it, if you knew they had a gun?


Doubt it.




I've faced down people with weapons.




Nosathro -> RE: At least 11 hurt in Texas College stabbings (4/10/2013 10:09:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59


Question for the gun-nutia......


Would you be willing to tackle someone,or even think about it, if you knew they had a gun?


Doubt it.




I've faced down people with weapons.


The question was not a "weapons" but a "gun"....and you are avoiding the question not surprised by your attempt.




vincentML -> RE: At least 11 hurt in Texas College stabbings (4/10/2013 1:49:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280

I know but in the heat of the gun control debate people would have been dismissive toward the term. Now there is something recent and grand to point to.

Quite the opposite. The salient point is imagine how many would be dead if the slasher had a gun instead of a knife.




vincentML -> RE: At least 11 hurt in Texas College stabbings (4/10/2013 1:54:15 PM)

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Really this illustrates the big difference between the US and other nations. We have a bunch of mentally imbalanced mother fuckers that have either been created or are not being dealt with properly. Anyone willing to go on a stabbing spree, would not be inhibited by whatever weapons ban you put into effect.
We have no monopoly on mentally derranged people. China has a history of stabbing sprees for example. Some humans are genetically and developmentally fucked up regardless of nationality.




BamaD -> RE: At least 11 hurt in Texas College stabbings (4/10/2013 7:10:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280

I know but in the heat of the gun control debate people would have been dismissive toward the term. Now there is something recent and grand to point to.

Quite the opposite. The salient point is imagine how many would be dead if the slasher had a gun instead of a knife.

Or a decent knife.




Lucylastic -> RE: At least 11 hurt in Texas College stabbings (4/10/2013 7:16:27 PM)

6-Year-Old Shot, http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-boy-shot-20130410,0,175971.story
A 6-year-old boy shot in the head by his 4-year-old playmate died of his wounds as investigators in a New Jersey town tried to determine how the younger boy got hold of a loaded .22-caliber rifle and whether charges would be filed.

Under New Jersey law, gun owners are required to keep loaded weapons out of the hands of minors, but the 4-year-old living on a cul de sac in Toms River, N.J., was able to wander into his house Monday evening as his parents were outside. He came back out with the loaded weapon, a shot went off, and a bullet entered the head of 6-year-old Brandon Holt, who was sitting in a go-kart outside.

Brandon died Tuesday evening in a hospital, police said, as neighbors in the quiet community 70 miles south of New York City described how a warm Monday evening had turned chaotic. According to their accounts, and those of Police Chief Michael Mastronardy, parents of both the boys, who live along the same street in Toms River, were outside with the children as they played.
It is unclear whether the younger boy intentionally pulled the trigger or the gun went off accidentally. Mastronardy said the 4-year-old was about 45 feet away from Brandon when the shot rang out.

The mother of the 4-year-old dialed 911. Debi Coto, a neighbor, said a woman began running down the street trying to flag down the approaching ambulance. At first, she said, neighbors thought one of the boys, who had been playing outside all afternoon, had fallen.

But as police arrived and rushed with emergency medical workers into the backyard of a home, it became clear something else had happened.

Hours later, neighbors were questioning why a loaded gun had apparently been left unattended inside a home where a young child lived.

"After the little kids got shot up in Connecticut, you would think parents would be more vigilante when they have guns in the house," said Claude Taylor, a neighbor, as he pulled his own child down the sidewalk in a red wagon. Taylor was referring to the Dec. 14 mass shooting of 20 first-graders and six school employees in Newtown, Conn., by 20-year-old Adam Lanza.

The shootings there prompted President Obama to push Congress to pass new gun laws, something the National Rifle Assn. and its advocates say would be unfair to law-abiding gun owners.

Brandon's death was the second in three days to result from a child getting hold of a loaded weapon. In Tennessee on Saturday, another 4-year-old picked up a loaded weapon during a family cookout, firing off a shot that killed a 48-year-old woman. About 600 Americans die in accidental shootings every year, according to National Center for Injury Prevention and Control statistics.




LizDeluxe -> RE: At least 11 hurt in Texas College stabbings (4/10/2013 7:31:17 PM)

The only purpose gun control serves is to penalize and punish the law abiding gun owner.




Owner59 -> RE: At least 11 hurt in Texas College stabbings (4/10/2013 7:38:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59


Question for the gun-nutia......


Would you be willing to tackle someone,or even think about it, if you knew they had a gun?


Doubt it.




The idea of being in hand to hand bothers me more if they have a knife.


Same here.



The fucker was tackled by some other students...


My point and you both confirmed it,is that you wouldn`t even approach a shooter with gun in hand......


So guns are a little different than knives.....or a car or what false comparisons the gunie-nutters make.....






vincentML -> RE: At least 11 hurt in Texas College stabbings (4/10/2013 8:37:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML


quote:

ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280

I know but in the heat of the gun control debate people would have been dismissive toward the term. Now there is something recent and grand to point to.

Quite the opposite. The salient point is imagine how many would be dead if the slasher had a gun instead of a knife.

Or a decent knife.

Really? A decent knife compared to a semi-automatic weapon? Shit!




vincentML -> RE: At least 11 hurt in Texas College stabbings (4/10/2013 8:38:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

The only purpose gun control serves is to penalize and punish the law abiding gun owner.

Bumper sticker!!!




Powergamz1 -> RE: At least 11 hurt in Texas College stabbings (4/10/2013 9:11:36 PM)

Australian media and politicians whipped the people up into an anti-scary-knife frenzy over the fear of exactly that.
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


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ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280
Now they can the words mass stabbing with a straight face and have credibility.


It had credibility before that. Machete and knife attacks have been documented before in countries that do not allow guns.





Nosathro -> RE: At least 11 hurt in Texas College stabbings (4/11/2013 7:21:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

The only purpose gun control serves is to penalize and punish the law abiding gun owner.


Tell that to the mother of the kid that died.




Nosathro -> RE: At least 11 hurt in Texas College stabbings (4/11/2013 7:23:59 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

6-Year-Old Shot, http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-boy-shot-20130410,0,175971.story
A 6-year-old boy shot in the head by his 4-year-old playmate died of his wounds as investigators in a New Jersey town tried to determine how the younger boy got hold of a loaded .22-caliber rifle and whether charges would be filed.

Under New Jersey law, gun owners are required to keep loaded weapons out of the hands of minors, but the 4-year-old living on a cul de sac in Toms River, N.J., was able to wander into his house Monday evening as his parents were outside. He came back out with the loaded weapon, a shot went off, and a bullet entered the head of 6-year-old Brandon Holt, who was sitting in a go-kart outside.

Brandon died Tuesday evening in a hospital, police said, as neighbors in the quiet community 70 miles south of New York City described how a warm Monday evening had turned chaotic. According to their accounts, and those of Police Chief Michael Mastronardy, parents of both the boys, who live along the same street in Toms River, were outside with the children as they played.
It is unclear whether the younger boy intentionally pulled the trigger or the gun went off accidentally. Mastronardy said the 4-year-old was about 45 feet away from Brandon when the shot rang out.

The mother of the 4-year-old dialed 911. Debi Coto, a neighbor, said a woman began running down the street trying to flag down the approaching ambulance. At first, she said, neighbors thought one of the boys, who had been playing outside all afternoon, had fallen.

But as police arrived and rushed with emergency medical workers into the backyard of a home, it became clear something else had happened.

Hours later, neighbors were questioning why a loaded gun had apparently been left unattended inside a home where a young child lived.

"After the little kids got shot up in Connecticut, you would think parents would be more vigilante when they have guns in the house," said Claude Taylor, a neighbor, as he pulled his own child down the sidewalk in a red wagon. Taylor was referring to the Dec. 14 mass shooting of 20 first-graders and six school employees in Newtown, Conn., by 20-year-old Adam Lanza.

The shootings there prompted President Obama to push Congress to pass new gun laws, something the National Rifle Assn. and its advocates say would be unfair to law-abiding gun owners.

Brandon's death was the second in three days to result from a child getting hold of a loaded weapon. In Tennessee on Saturday, another 4-year-old picked up a loaded weapon during a family cookout, firing off a shot that killed a 48-year-old woman. About 600 Americans die in accidental shootings every year, according to National Center for Injury Prevention and Control statistics.


Of course not gun owners wrap themselves in the flag and cry their 2nd Amendment rights are being violated. Who cares is a kid dies they want their phallic symbols.




Aswad -> RE: At least 11 hurt in Texas College stabbings (4/11/2013 10:07:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

The only purpose gun control serves is to penalize and punish the law abiding gun owner.


No. That's not the only purpose it serves.

It's one of the effects it has, and often a purpose, but it's not the only purpose served.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Some humans are genetically and developmentally fucked up regardless of nationality.


I dispute that genetics are the cause, and propose culture and finances are.

Using Norway as an example, with particular reference to the time evolution of the immigrant situation, compared with the US, it seems (back of envelope calculation) violence, at the societal level, comes down to social issues (finances, healthcare, etc.), what culture you live in (national, local, family and social circles), and what culture you were reared in, with no independent genetic component worth being concerned with. The developmental factor seems substantial, but is apparently culturally variable in the extreme, and can be remediated by addressing social issues that would be a factor in the absence of developmental issues.

IWYW,
— Aswad.





GotSteel -> RE: At least 11 hurt in Texas College stabbings (4/11/2013 7:32:29 PM)

I think there's plenty of blame to go around and one of the causes is genetic.




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