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I googled up the CNN story and I would have signed the petition. The group fronting it makes me ill inclined to participate but I've taken a note to send CNN my own correspondence with my thoughts on the topic.

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ORIGINAL: njlauren

I guess they decided to out Fox Fox, I would expect that kind of attitude from Fox News, given that it is the house organ for the GOP, whose modern mantra seems to be that rape isn't such a horrible thing, or worse, that there is 'real' rape and 'non real rape', or the not small part of the party that considers rape to be the fault of women 'seducing' men *sigh*.

I have heard people say that it was the girl's fault, that she was the one who decided to get drunk, go to the party, hang out with football players, and I can't believe that people are stupid enough to say that. Yes, she made stupid mistakes, there is no doubt, but like I told one fathead trying that line, what teen doesn't? If some teenage kids from the burbs decide to go driving around some crappy area of a city, like Watts or the South Side of Chicago and end up mugged or hurt, you would bet they would be out for blood for the 'animals' that did this......but this? These were good boys who were tempted or something...*gag*.

There are a lot of guilty parties here, somehow the parents of those boys never taught them about respecting or honoring fellow human beings (the fact that they didn't try penetrative sex actually makes it worse in my mind, doing what they did was designed to humiliate the poor girl). The attitude of many that this is just 'boys will be boys', the girls who lied to cover this up, the coach who apparently tried to cover it up, the people in the town who blame the girl and put death threats against here, or who get all sanctimonious about the boys being railroaded, all need to really look in the mirror. And maybe it is about time we also start looking at sports and stop putting it on a pedestal and realizing that when you make some above the law, all suffer. I also have heard all this crap blaming modern society, social media, porn, you name it, how this wouldn't have happened "back then", but that is baloney. Back then it would have been swept under the rug, the coach, the parents, the cops, would all sweep it under the rug, and the girl would be shamed into keeping quiet, especially if she had been drunk, her own parents very likely would tell her in effect she deserved it..the only difference is today it is very hard to cover it up. I would bet pretty good money that if the video didn't exist, the pictures, that the local cops would be more then willing to hush it up, but the cat got out of the bag.

I talked to my own son about this incident, and I told him that I would be a lot more angry if he was one of the people who saw this happening and did nothing then the kids who actually did it, that we are put on this earth, in part, to try and protect those who cannot defend themselves. I would like to think my son would, I have seen him do that when someone gets out of line (albeit not with something like this), and we should teach all our kids to act in cases like this. I think there are something like 16 kids who refused to talk to cops, hopefully they will face some sort of penalties, I hear they are putting together a grand jury to see if anyone else is culpable. First person to go should be the football coach, he sounds like a really stupid sack of shit if what I hear is true.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Most excellent post!!!!

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: njlauren

I guess they decided to out Fox Fox, I would expect that kind of attitude from Fox News, given that it is the house organ for the GOP, whose modern mantra seems to be that rape isn't such a horrible thing, or worse, that there is 'real' rape and 'non real rape', or the not small part of the party that considers rape to be the fault of women 'seducing' men *sigh*.

I have heard people say that it was the girl's fault, that she was the one who decided to get drunk, go to the party, hang out with football players, and I can't believe that people are stupid enough to say that. Yes, she made stupid mistakes, there is no doubt, but like I told one fathead trying that line, what teen doesn't? If some teenage kids from the burbs decide to go driving around some crappy area of a city, like Watts or the South Side of Chicago and end up mugged or hurt, you would bet they would be out for blood for the 'animals' that did this......but this? These were good boys who were tempted or something...*gag*.

There are a lot of guilty parties here, somehow the parents of those boys never taught them about respecting or honoring fellow human beings (the fact that they didn't try penetrative sex actually makes it worse in my mind, doing what they did was designed to humiliate the poor girl). The attitude of many that this is just 'boys will be boys', the girls who lied to cover this up, the coach who apparently tried to cover it up, the people in the town who blame the girl and put death threats against here, or who get all sanctimonious about the boys being railroaded, all need to really look in the mirror. And maybe it is about time we also start looking at sports and stop putting it on a pedestal and realizing that when you make some above the law, all suffer. I also have heard all this crap blaming modern society, social media, porn, you name it, how this wouldn't have happened "back then", but that is baloney. Back then it would have been swept under the rug, the coach, the parents, the cops, would all sweep it under the rug, and the girl would be shamed into keeping quiet, especially if she had been drunk, her own parents very likely would tell her in effect she deserved it..the only difference is today it is very hard to cover it up. I would bet pretty good money that if the video didn't exist, the pictures, that the local cops would be more then willing to hush it up, but the cat got out of the bag.

I talked to my own son about this incident, and I told him that I would be a lot more angry if he was one of the people who saw this happening and did nothing then the kids who actually did it, that we are put on this earth, in part, to try and protect those who cannot defend themselves. I would like to think my son would, I have seen him do that when someone gets out of line (albeit not with something like this), and we should teach all our kids to act in cases like this. I think there are something like 16 kids who refused to talk to cops, hopefully they will face some sort of penalties, I hear they are putting together a grand jury to see if anyone else is culpable. First person to go should be the football coach, he sounds like a really stupid sack of shit if what I hear is true.

Most excellent post!!!!

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Most excellent post!!!!

Sure thing, Lucy. Bleat, "Fox baa-aaad," then have a nice little politically correct rant that ignores the meat of the thing. What more could a post require?

I haven't caught a bit of the coverage on this story, and have every intention of it staying that way. Every so often, as with the pool table chick in CA a while back, something that happens all the fucking time gets caught on camera, and there is a little tempest on the idiot box, and Nancy Grace and Anderson Cooper shovel sand into their panties, and bunch them up.

Maybe the market researchers told CNN there were more parents afraid of this happening to their sons, than to their daughters?

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CNN vs Fox,

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however, ...In an act of serious journalistic negligence, Fox News this morning ran tape of the Steubenville rape trial in which one of the rapists named the victim.