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Poll: Republicans 'out of touch' - 2/26/2013 12:33:27 PM   
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Poll: Republicans 'out of touch'

A majority of Americans think that the GOP is out of touch with the country, according to a new poll released Tuesday.

Sixty-two percent of adults say the GOP is out of touch with the American people, 56 percent say it’s not open to change and 52 percent say it’s too extreme, according to a Pew Research Center poll released Tuesday.

Read more: here



Now that was interesting reading, however there is a catch.

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GOP Seen as Principled, But Out of Touch and Too Extreme
At a time when the Republican Party’s image is at a historic low, 62% of the public says the GOP is out of touch with the American people, 56% think it is not open to change and 52% say the party is too extreme.

Opinions about the Democratic Party are mixed, but the party is viewed more positively than the GOP in every dimension tested except one. Somewhat more say the Republican Party than the Democratic Party has strong principles (63% vs. 57%)

Pew Poll Data



Now as I read the research data, it gets a little foggy to say the least.

For one, if the majority of Americans actually believe that the Republican party is out of touch, then why does the Republicans hold the majority in the House and many of the State governments?

I mean logically, the majority of states and congress would be controlled by the democrat party, if this data is actually accurate.

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RE: Poll: Republicans 'out of touch' - 2/26/2013 12:36:45 PM   
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I mean logically, the majority of states and congress would be controlled by the democrat party, if this data is actually accurate.


Not necessarily: polls don't reflect voting patterns precisely, do they?
It's entirely possible that there's an imbalance in those polled leaning towards the other party, but it's equally possible that those polled, can't be arsed voting. If the GOP are worried that non voters are more likely to vote for the other lot, it'd certainly explain all of that gerrymandering and the complaining about Acorn, after all...

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RE: Poll: Republicans 'out of touch' - 2/26/2013 12:39:50 PM   
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I liked St. Wrinklemeat in Bedtime for Bonzo, but didnt vote for him because I respected his vast body of work, I didn't think his alzheimers kept him in touch.

And of course, he was a fuckin imbecile and a great destroyer of this nation.

(but that wasn't a poll question)   

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RE: Poll: Republicans 'out of touch' - 2/26/2013 12:43:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		It'd actually be a much more interesting poll than one based on vague generalisations about the teeny tiny (and often indistinguishable to us foreign sorts) differences between the Donkey and the Elephant.
"Which party do you believe harbours the Presidents who've done the most damage to the country over the last half century?"
Now that's a fucking poll question, isn't it?

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RE: Poll: Republicans 'out of touch' - 2/26/2013 12:46:05 PM   
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RE: Poll: Republicans 'out of touch' - 2/26/2013 12:46:33 PM   
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I mean logically, the majority of states and congress would be controlled by the democrat party, if this data is actually accurate.

Not necessarily: polls don't reflect voting patterns precisely, do they?
It's entirely possible that there's an imbalance in those polled leaning towards the other party, but it's equally possible that those polled, can't be arsed voting.

poll selections are designed ta be random with ethnicity & background to avoid biases.

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RE: Poll: Republicans 'out of touch' - 2/26/2013 12:47:50 PM   
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RE: Poll: Republicans 'out of touch' - 2/26/2013 1:05:22 PM   
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Now as I read the research data, it gets a little foggy to say the least.

For one, if the majority of Americans actually believe that the Republican party is out of touch, then why does the Republicans hold the majority in the House and many of the State governments?

I mean logically, the majority of states and congress would be controlled by the democrat party, if this data is actually accurate.

You forgot to take into account gerrymandering. Factually there were 1 million more votes cast for democrats running for House seats than Republicans in 2012 but that translated into only very modest pickups by the Democrats.

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RE: Poll: Republicans 'out of touch' - 2/26/2013 1:07:54 PM   
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I mean logically, the majority of states and congress would be controlled by the democrat party, if this data is actually accurate.

Not necessarily: polls don't reflect voting patterns precisely, do they?
It's entirely possible that there's an imbalance in those polled leaning towards the other party, but it's equally possible that those polled, can't be arsed voting.

poll selections are designed ta be random with ethnicity & background to avoid biases.


Yeah, you can tell that by the phone numbers.......LOL.  What is random is the generator for phone numbers.

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RE: Poll: Republicans 'out of touch' - 2/26/2013 2:17:41 PM   
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Oh, I've no issue with your problems with polls. That's a perfectly reasonable form of scepticism. I'd be worried by anybody who takes the things at face value, frankly.



The only thing I take at face value is a nude woman who does not have scars indicating a boob job, and my first cup of coffee in the morning.

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RE: Poll: Republicans 'out of touch' - 2/26/2013 3:01:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well the problem inherent in this pole is the presumption that the repubs wish to remain 'in touch.'

With you and me ? No !! They couldn't possibly care less about you and me.

They are however very much 'in touch' with their constituency...corporate America, banks and wall street.

Those constituents [sic] own about 80% of all of our free speech, so just whose speech ...is going to be heard ? Just who do they...'reach out and touch ?'

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RE: Poll: Republicans 'out of touch' - 2/26/2013 3:04:41 PM   
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Oh, I've no issue with your problems with polls. That's a perfectly reasonable form of scepticism. I'd be worried by anybody who takes the things at face value, frankly.


The only thing I take at face value is a nude woman who does not have scars indicating a boob job, and my first cup of coffee in the morning.

.....I'll even take the scars and the boobs...at face value.

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RE: Poll: Republicans 'out of touch' - 2/26/2013 3:19:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I should think it's obvious that the Republicans are out of touch... as are the Democrats. I actually wonder if there is a single person in the house, senate, judiciary or executive that is even remotely connected with us humans. There are a few possible exceptions in my mind but that'd be no more than 5.

This is why I'd say I would GLADLY do a clean sweep of all three branches and replace them with random lottery draws.

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RE: Poll: Republicans 'out of touch' - 2/26/2013 4:02:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Florida voters approved 2 state constitutional amendments back in 2010 to the Florida State Constitution that bans Gerrymandering.Florida Registered Democrats far out number Florida Registered Republicans.Yet,Republicans hold a solid majority in the state capitol,Tallahassee.The math does not add up.That's what these 2 amendments are meant to prevent.1 amendment for State Elected Officials and the other amendment is meant for Federal Elected Officials.The recent 2012 Presidental Elections brought the Florida Democrats out in full force and reelected Obama to a second term.Sadly,once again,Florida was in the national spotlight again for the long lines to vote.I was one of those voters.It did take longer to vote than normal.Thats because Florida Republicans passed a Florida Voter Suppression Act that was meant to discourage Democrats from voting in the disguise of "Voter Reform".The law was signed by Governor Rick Scott,who is a Republican.Now Florida Republicans realized their bogus bill failed to prevent Florida voters from voting for Obama.So now they want to redo and go back to the old law.Governor Rick Scott is running for reelection next year and now he supports redoing the old bill.Geez,I guess his own reelction bid gave him a change of heart.How nice.

Florida Republicans tried to stop the 2 anti gerrymandering amendments in court,even though an overwhelming majority of Florida voters approved the amendments.Thats because these 2 amendments are a threat to their massive majority in Tallahassee.Their attempts in court failed and the law is official.These amendments are meant to level the playing field.

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RE: Poll: Republicans 'out of touch' - 2/26/2013 5:14:33 PM   
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if the majority of Americans actually believe that the Republican party is out of touch, then why does the Republicans hold the majority in the House and many of the State governments?

I mean logically, the majority of states and congress would be controlled by the democrat party, if this data is actually accurate.


If the Dems' and Reps' distributions in the districts were identical to the national distributions, you'd have a point. They aren't.


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RE: Poll: Republicans 'out of touch' - 2/26/2013 11:33:52 PM   
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Poll: Republicans 'out of touch'

A majority of Americans think that the GOP is out of touch with the country, according to a new poll released Tuesday.

Sixty-two percent of adults say the GOP is out of touch with the American people, 56 percent say it’s not open to change and 52 percent say it’s too extreme, according to a Pew Research Center poll released Tuesday.

Read more: here



Now that was interesting reading, however there is a catch.

quote:

GOP Seen as Principled, But Out of Touch and Too Extreme
At a time when the Republican Party’s image is at a historic low, 62% of the public says the GOP is out of touch with the American people, 56% think it is not open to change and 52% say the party is too extreme.

Opinions about the Democratic Party are mixed, but the party is viewed more positively than the GOP in every dimension tested except one. Somewhat more say the Republican Party than the Democratic Party has strong principles (63% vs. 57%)

Pew Poll Data



Now as I read the research data, it gets a little foggy to say the least.

For one, if the majority of Americans actually believe that the Republican party is out of touch, then why does the Republicans hold the majority in the House and many of the State governments?

I mean logically, the majority of states and congress would be controlled by the democrat party, if this data is actually accurate.


Democrats did win the majority of the vote in the House, Senate, and Presidency. In fact, Republicans have only won the popular presidential vote once in the last two decades.

State level governments differ from the national level in that states can't borrow. This means that unless the state-level Republicans go to such extremes that they want to hand out giant tax cuts before even trying to balance their budgets, being a ruthless spending-cutter doesn't matter - a Democrat would be forced to cut just as much, even if they'd probably cut from different programs.

Second, while there are obviously exceptions, a lot of state-level Republicans haven't gone batshit insane like the national party. See, e.g. Chris Christie, lots of Republican governors taking the Medicaid expansion, and VA governor Bob McDonnell pleading with House Republicans to come to their senses and not destroy his state's economy.

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RE: Poll: Republicans 'out of touch' - 2/27/2013 6:42:08 PM   
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I mean logically, the majority of states and congress would be controlled by the democrat party, if this data is actually accurate.


Do you have a valid, commonly acknowledged point about the short comings of polls, sure. Is the above argument complete garbage on account of the below, absolutely:

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If the Dems' and Reps' distributions in the districts were identical to the national distributions, you'd have a point. They aren't.

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RE: Poll: Republicans 'out of touch' - 2/28/2013 12:31:37 AM   
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Poll: Republicans 'out of touch'

A majority of Americans think that the GOP is out of touch with the country, according to a new poll released Tuesday.

Sixty-two percent of adults say the GOP is out of touch with the American people, 56 percent say it’s not open to change and 52 percent say it’s too extreme, according to a Pew Research Center poll released Tuesday.

Read more: here



Now that was interesting reading, however there is a catch.

quote:

GOP Seen as Principled, But Out of Touch and Too Extreme
At a time when the Republican Party’s image is at a historic low, 62% of the public says the GOP is out of touch with the American people, 56% think it is not open to change and 52% say the party is too extreme.

Opinions about the Democratic Party are mixed, but the party is viewed more positively than the GOP in every dimension tested except one. Somewhat more say the Republican Party than the Democratic Party has strong principles (63% vs. 57%)

Pew Poll Data



Now as I read the research data, it gets a little foggy to say the least.

For one, if the majority of Americans actually believe that the Republican party is out of touch, then why does the Republicans hold the majority in the House and many of the State governments?

I mean logically, the majority of states and congress would be controlled by the democrat party, if this data is actually accurate.


Not surprising at all, the GOP has won by smoke and mirrors, and their extremism fires up their base, the Fox News brigade, but it also turns other people off.They have convinced the angry white people that government is evil, they pay too much in taxes and pay for everyone else, and then they use gerrymandering and an inconsistent electoral process to game the system. If the sequester happens, the red states are going to get hammered, because unlike typical GOP cutting that ignores the military and farm subsidies and other red state goodies, and they are going to find out what happens when you in fact depend on uncle sam. A state like nj, that gets back 65c on the dollar, is going to be a lot less hurt then Alabama that collects 2 bucks for every dollar they send in, or Mississippi or Florida. The GOP leaders if they read these kind of things should be getting agida, but they are so firmly entrenched in the politics of no, of angry white people 'taking back the country', that they don't see it. In a generation, the GOP might not exist on the national level, and that isn't a good thing.When only about 1 in 3 younger people (35 and under) identifies with the GOP, they are in deep, deep trouble.

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RE: Poll: Republicans 'out of touch' - 2/28/2013 5:34:39 AM   
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RE: Poll: Republicans 'out of touch' - 2/28/2013 7:07:24 AM   
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If the Dems' and Reps' distributions in the districts were identical to the national distributions, you'd have a point. They aren't.

Also, the notion relies on a voting system which is at least mostly legit. Ours, quite clearly has not been for a long, long time. Gerrymandering is the most obvious and visible sign of this and even more stunning, we all take it for granted. There you see both parties clearly rigging the vote and few of us give a damn.

Electronic voting machines are pretty much the end of democracy. You'd be hard pressed to find a data security expert anywhere (a real data security expert) who would tell you'd be confident about securing such a system even without the obvious corruption going on in that space also. With all the best intent I would not care to take a stab at it. The size of the honey pot is "global domination". I don't think I can defend against that. I don't think any credible data security person would say they could. The miracle of the old-school count 'em up by hand method is that there is no single point of attack. You can only corrupt one district at a time.


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