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No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving - 2/26/2013 7:04:53 AM   
OrionTheWolf


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Status: offline 		I have not seen any discussion on this political movement which has been around for a couple of years.

"No Labels is a movement of Democrats, Republicans and everything in between dedicated to the politics of problem-solving. We stand united behind a simple proposition: we want our government to stop fighting and start fixing."

What is everyone else's opinion on this?

Why do you think that it gets very little mention by many people?

The No Labels movement has already pushed through a "No Budget, No Pay" bill which is a small victory to show what the people can do when organized, but why are more people not a part of this political movement?

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RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving - 2/26/2013 7:16:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		We`ll see.Too soon to tell if they are in fact moderates.


The T`s were claiming to be non-partisan and grass-roots when we know they were anything but that.

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RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving - 2/26/2013 7:17:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I have to caution you, that the  Tea Party was just that, and more or less in league with the OWS.

They were immediately co-opted by the neo-cons and that is the party of the teabaggers.



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RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving - 2/26/2013 7:47:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf
I have not seen any discussion on this political movement which has been around for a couple of years.
"No Labels is a movement of Democrats, Republicans and everything in between dedicated to the politics of problem-solving. We stand united behind a simple proposition: we want our government to stop fighting and start fixing."
What is everyone else's opinion on this?
Why do you think that it gets very little mention by many people?
The No Labels movement has already pushed through a "No Budget, No Pay" bill which is a small victory to show what the people can do when organized, but why are more people not a part of this political movement?


What is your take on the problems that need to be solved, why the two parties can't/aren't solving them, and how a "no labels" approach is going to solve them?


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RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving - 2/26/2013 7:54:08 AM   
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Everything since was the development of the police state of the realm.

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RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving - 2/26/2013 11:58:17 AM   
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RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving - 2/26/2013 12:01:42 PM   
OrionTheWolf


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Status: offline 		Read a little further. They are not a political party. It is an organization of reps, dems and all those in between and outside.


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

We`ll see.Too soon to tell if they are in fact moderates.


The T`s were claiming to be non-partisan and grass-roots when we know they were anything but that.



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RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving - 2/26/2013 12:09:47 PM   
OrionTheWolf


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Status: offline 		No Labels focuses on the problems without all the rhetoric and wagging the dog stuff that you see in political parties.

If you look at their accomplishments and "Just the facts" you will see where they are focusing and how.

They have an entire site with details and very little fluff. This is a citizens movement, and not a party orchestrated organization, so the focus is not on a party platform, but bridging the desires of the parties and finding solutions in the middle.

Just read some of their blogs and articles. It is very illuminating on exactly what our politicians know, how they are going about solving things, and the severe lack of communication between the two parties. No Labels is trying to correct that communication and get people from everywhere to sit down and collaborate.


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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf
I have not seen any discussion on this political movement which has been around for a couple of years.
"No Labels is a movement of Democrats, Republicans and everything in between dedicated to the politics of problem-solving. We stand united behind a simple proposition: we want our government to stop fighting and start fixing."
What is everyone else's opinion on this?
Why do you think that it gets very little mention by many people?
The No Labels movement has already pushed through a "No Budget, No Pay" bill which is a small victory to show what the people can do when organized, but why are more people not a part of this political movement?


What is your take on the problems that need to be solved, why the two parties can't/aren't solving them, and how a "no labels" approach is going to solve them?




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RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving - 2/26/2013 12:11:25 PM   
OrionTheWolf


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Status: offline 		This is what No Labels is staying away from as well. I would have to look to find the article, but they had a national meeting and the percentages of political ideals represented were very diverse.


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Well, I have to caution you, that the  Tea Party was just that, and more or less in league with the OWS.

They were immediately co-opted by the neo-cons and that is the party of the teabaggers.





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RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving - 2/26/2013 12:43:59 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Those of us in the real world, away from the heady fumes of DC Politik are more centrist and in fundamental agreement than the in crowd would have us believe.  There is more of them against us than there is us against us. 

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RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving - 2/26/2013 2:24:52 PM   
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What is everyone else's opinion on this?

Well, I hadn't heard of them before and I must admit I had at least some tiny little hope that they might be an ally. After perusing their website I find nothing of interest. They are not addressing or looking at any problem I actually care about. As near as I can tell they simply want to sell me into slavery more efficiently.

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RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving - 2/26/2013 2:53:56 PM   
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What is everyone else's opinion on this?

Well, I hadn't heard of them before and I must admit I had at least some tiny little hope that they might be an ally. After perusing their website I find nothing of interest. They are not addressing or looking at any problem I actually care about. As near as I can tell they simply want to sell me into slavery more efficiently.

Well getting you or anybody out of slavery is a matter of grave concern. Please call, email or write your congressman or senator on the matter...dozens of times and for over 20 years. Then whoever is in office will get back to you.

Look, to the extent we seek solutions from politicians we strike up...politics. Politics is all about being re-elected, i.e., NOT solving problems. So my first goal and priority is therefore not solving problems but being re-elected. I must convince a further impoverished and otherwise distracted constituency, as a marketing matter...to vote for me.

Marketing my re-election is a matter of money. That money given and spent is called (protected) free speech. Others may or may not have more free speech in the bank than you, so your speech is drowned out...heard nevermore.

So unless 'No Labels' can find a way to convince politicians that it is ok...not to be re-elected for whatever policy choices they may make, they are all done and nothing more than say...the new 'Puffington Post.'

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RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving - 2/26/2013 2:59:29 PM   
OrionTheWolf


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Status: offline 		Could you explain which portions you are referring to?


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What is everyone else's opinion on this?

Well, I hadn't heard of them before and I must admit I had at least some tiny little hope that they might be an ally. After perusing their website I find nothing of interest. They are not addressing or looking at any problem I actually care about. As near as I can tell they simply want to sell me into slavery more efficiently.



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RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving - 2/26/2013 3:04:25 PM   
OrionTheWolf


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Status: offline 		Actually what needs to change first is the people. It is the people who re-elect them, correct?

No-Labels is changing it, though very slowly and in very small amounts. There are now over 40 Congressmen that have made a pledge to problem solving across the aisle.

No-Labels also brings to light many of the things the politicians want us to ignore, like the March 1 deadline, immigration and the experience most of the politicians have with the reform, which ones are working across the aisle to find the middle ground, and many basic problem solving techniques.

I know it is easier to sit in our corners and point to the puddle of piss in the middle of the room, but sooner or later we are all need to come together to clean it up or watch it spread all over the room so that we are all standing in piss and moaning about it.


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So unless 'No Labels' can find a way to convince politicians that it is ok...not to be re-elected for whatever policy choices they may make, they are all done and nothing more than say...the new 'Puffington Post.'



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RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving - 2/26/2013 3:13:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Which portions? Their focus is on reducing congressional deadlock. Presumably Congress will then do as they are doing but more efficiently.

Even the things they allude to indirectly, tax reform, immigration reform, curbing the debt... such a huge yawn from me. To me that reads like sleight of hand.

Give 'em the old razzle dazzle
Razzle Dazzle 'em
Give 'em an act with lots of flash in it
And the reaction will be passionate
Give 'em the old hocus pocus
Bead and feather 'em
How can they see with sequins in their eyes?
-- Billy Flynn

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RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving - 2/26/2013 6:07:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Actually what needs to change first is the people. It is the people who re-elect them, correct?

No-Labels is changing it, though very slowly and in very small amounts. There are now over 40 Congressmen that have made a pledge to problem solving across the aisle.

No-Labels also brings to light many of the things the politicians want us to ignore, like the March 1 deadline, immigration and the experience most of the politicians have with the reform, which ones are working across the aisle to find the middle ground, and many basic problem solving techniques.

I know it is easier to sit in our corners and point to the puddle of piss in the middle of the room, but sooner or later we are all need to come together to clean it up or watch it spread all over the room so that we are all standing in piss and moaning about it.


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
So unless 'No Labels' can find a way to convince politicians that it is ok...not to be re-elected for whatever policy choices they may make, they are all done and nothing more than say...the new 'Puffington Post.'



You may be right and there may be hope long term...very long term. Why ? Because I've been voting my congressman out...for over 22 years. See how easy it is ? Our repub was designed to use citizen legislators who came to Wash., DC part time.

The world's first experiment in democracy, Greece...TERM LIMITS babydolls. Only ONE year...in a row.

We have instead, multi-millionaire, career, petty, little power-barons, concerned with their own short term self interest.

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RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving - 2/26/2013 7:48:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the No Labels group is where our country needs to go.When Obama was first elected,he tried his best to reach his hand across the aisle.But Conservative Republicans want to play "do nothing and blame Obama" game.After awhile,you can't blame Obama for giving up.He tried.All the "moderate" Republicans have been driven out by the Tea Party,thus just leaving the far extreme right wing running the Republican party now.They have no use for compromise.

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RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving - 2/26/2013 10:56:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the cynic is growing in you Jeff. Nothing can be done until gridlock is broken. The best way to nudge a huge beast in the direction you want, is with the smaller steps.

Not sure what you mean allude to. They have some pretty indepth blogs, with links to where facts can be read about things that are some of the top problems. The fiscal issues have got to be addressed, as nothing else will get done with the country continuing to crumble under the weight of the debt.

Immigration reform is on there because it is being addressed in congress.

I am not sure why it is a yawn, as these are just the issues that congress are currently addressing. If an organization is trying to create a problem solving atmosphere, they address the current issues of the group they are try to get to do more problem solving. Are you thinking they are a political group pushing these issues?


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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

Which portions? Their focus is on reducing congressional deadlock. Presumably Congress will then do as they are doing but more efficiently.

Even the things they allude to indirectly, tax reform, immigration reform, curbing the debt... such a huge yawn from me. To me that reads like sleight of hand.

Give 'em the old razzle dazzle
Razzle Dazzle 'em
Give 'em an act with lots of flash in it
And the reaction will be passionate
Give 'em the old hocus pocus
Bead and feather 'em
How can they see with sequins in their eyes?
-- Billy Flynn



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RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving - 2/26/2013 11:23:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		As far as I could find, nothing on that site is newer than October. Half of it is still focused on how to resolve the "upcoming" fiscal cliff ...

And really, it's just another centrist dodge site. Step one, blame both sides. Step two, put forth a proposal that is exactly Obama's publicly stated position. Step three, concern-troll about why no one will agree with your moderate, centrist agenda. Rinse, lather, repeat.

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RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving - 2/27/2013 12:36:13 AM   
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