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OrionTheWolf -> RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving (3/2/2013 11:15:01 AM)
Didn't see that on the site. Maybe if you quote and link something it could be discussed. Does anyone have any ideas to battle the hyper partisan politics? quote: ORIGINAL: fmfclwu As far as I could find, nothing on that site is newer than October. Half of it is still focused on how to resolve the "upcoming" fiscal cliff ... And really, it's just another centrist dodge site. Step one, blame both sides. Step two, put forth a proposal that is exactly Obama's publicly stated position. Step three, concern-troll about why no one will agree with your moderate, centrist agenda. Rinse, lather, repeat.

Owner59 -> RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving (3/2/2013 12:17:18 PM)
"Hyper partisan politics" sells more ad time,get`s more attention,gets one more donations(Allen West got the 2nd highest amount of donation,2nd to J-boner). It`s basiaclly what fox news is built on.And if it`s not true......if the smear is disgusting or bigoted(birthers)....all the better. It`s also a little disenenuous to claim the ugliness is not one sided.The vitrial is mosting coming from the cons.

Fellow -> RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving (3/2/2013 12:43:08 PM)
quote: I think the No Labels group is where our country needs to go.When Obama was first elected,he tried his best to reach his hand across the aisle.But Conservative Republicans want to play "do nothing and blame Obama" game.After awhile,you can't blame Obama for giving up.He tried.All the "moderate" Republicans have been driven out by the Tea Party,thus just leaving the far extreme right wing running the Republican party now.They have no use for compromise. This is totally delusional view of today's American politics. Obamanoid fantasy. Obama is a scam artist, a front man for the plutocrats. The idea that it is possible to infiltrate totally corrupt system and change it from inside has been tried historically before. It never succeeded. Occasionally some true progressives get into the Congress. They try, but they are isolated and ineffective. Look at Ron Paul phenomenon, or Bernie Sanders.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving (3/2/2013 6:22:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 "Hyper partisan politics" sells more ad time,get`s more attention,gets one more donations(Allen West got the 2nd highest amount of donation,2nd to J-boner). It`s basiaclly what fox news is built on.And if it`s not true......if the smear is disgusting or bigoted(birthers)....all the better. Unpleasant truths are easy to dismiss, but the facts remain about the cooperation. There are many unaffiliated sites that have many articles that show the proof of the hyper partisanship. quote: It`s also a little disenenuous to claim the ugliness is not one sided.The vitrial is mosting coming from the cons. This is what I expect from someone caught up in the cheerleading, hyper partisanship which you have shown time and again. "The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude to the problem. That is the problem."

OrionTheWolf -> RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving (3/2/2013 6:23:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fellow quote: I think the No Labels group is where our country needs to go.When Obama was first elected,he tried his best to reach his hand across the aisle.But Conservative Republicans want to play "do nothing and blame Obama" game.After awhile,you can't blame Obama for giving up.He tried.All the "moderate" Republicans have been driven out by the Tea Party,thus just leaving the far extreme right wing running the Republican party now.They have no use for compromise. This is totally delusional view of today's American politics. Obamanoid fantasy. Obama is a scam artist, a front man for the plutocrats. The idea that it is possible to infiltrate totally corrupt system and change it from inside has been tried historically before. It never succeeded. Occasionally some true progressives get into the Congress. They try, but they are isolated and ineffective. Look at Ron Paul phenomenon, or Bernie Sanders. I suppose another example of how not to show bi-partisan problem solving. Human behavior does not surprise me anymore.

Fellow -> RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving (3/2/2013 6:34:03 PM)
quote: I suppose another example of how not to show bi-partisan problem solving. There is no bi-partisan problem solving. The US is one party state. The government is the problem. The ONLY WAY to solve the problems is to starve the beast (the government). The citizens should stop cooperating with the scams and frauds they are subjected to.

Owner59 -> RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving (3/2/2013 7:12:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 "Hyper partisan politics" sells more ad time,get`s more attention,gets one more donations(Allen West got the 2nd highest amount of donation,2nd to J-boner). It`s basiaclly what fox news is built on.And if it`s not true......if the smear is disgusting or bigoted(birthers)....all the better. Unpleasant truths are easy to dismiss, but the facts remain about the cooperation. There are many unaffiliated sites that have many articles that show the proof of the hyper partisanship. quote: It`s also a little disenenuous to claim the ugliness is not one sided.The vitrial is mosting coming from the cons. This is what I expect from someone caught up in the cheerleading, hyper partisanship which you have shown time and again. "The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude to the problem. That is the problem." Hey...the left is only just now standing up.....and someone cries "partisanship".....get real.[8\|] And I`m talking about the media and elected officials who`re being douche-bags. A nobody like me calling them out does NOT make a ballance or "cooperation". The mythical "bi-partisanship" you`re imagining won`t happen till after your party splits and/or rejects it`s extremists.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving (3/2/2013 10:24:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 The mythical "bi-partisanship" you`re imagining won`t happen till after your party splits and/or rejects it`s extremists. This right here shows how knowledgeable you are. I don't have a party sherlock. I see your ostrich strategy works well, but it is the country that suffers from gridlock in congress. If a single party was actually in power, then things would actually get done. So it is nobody's time, especially the American people's time. Sad.

Fellow -> RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving (3/2/2013 11:33:07 PM)
quote: If a single party was actually in power, then things would actually get done. So it is nobody's time, especially the American people's time. Lot of things "got done" in Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. The American Constitution is remarkable document. Regrettably it is considered invalid by today's Americans. A few people long time ago understood the part of the government in a big picture. The size and the powers of the government need to be severely restrained. Governments are there to protect the powerful elite. They have set up the system (the corporate state) and you will not take it away simply by complaining or thinking you can somehow fool the system to give it all up. The serious effort needs to be undertaken, and there are no signs of it. The system will collapse in time under it own weight, because of its own internal problems.

JeffBC -> RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving (3/3/2013 8:10:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf I think the cynic is growing in you Jeff. Nothing can be done until gridlock is broken. The best way to nudge a huge beast in the direction you want, is with the smaller steps. It might be a cynical view, but I'd argue that cynical or not pretty much all of reality supports it. You seem to think that you are a constituent of the US government rather than an asset it owns. I have no idea why you'd think that but you apparently do.I believe that you and I are assets and the actual constituents are the wealthy. Accordingly, I believe that until we get back to "one man one vote" rather than "one dollar one vote" everything else is pointless. It's shouting into a telephone but the person on the other end of the call hung up long ago. Accordingly, if this group were pursuing goals like "overturning citizen's united" and "publicly funded campaigns" and "regulation of journalism" I'd be way behind them. As it is, I see nothing of interest. I don't think there's any gridlock at all in the US government. I think there is "gridlock" on issues that you or I might care about. That's the shadow play they present to us. That same government seems more than able to move quickly, efficiently, silently, and with great diligence to support the interests of the powerful lobbies (for instance, the rather draconian rewrites that have happened to IP law entirely silently under the guise of treaty rather than law).

Real0ne -> RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving (3/3/2013 11:35:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 The mythical "bi-partisanship" you`re imagining won`t happen till after your party splits and/or rejects it`s extremists. This right here shows how knowledgeable you are. I don't have a party sherlock. I see your ostrich strategy works well, but it is the country that suffers from gridlock in congress. If a single party was actually in power, then things would actually get done. So it is nobody's time, especially the American people's time. Sad. keeping in mind that ALL legislative fiat is in fact expansion of the police state how is bipartisonship in our best interest? bipartisonship is why we have the problems we have today, do you see how that works?

Real0ne -> RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving (3/3/2013 11:42:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fellow quote: If a single party was actually in power, then things would actually get done. So it is nobody's time, especially the American people's time. Lot of things "got done" in Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. The American Constitution is remarkable document. Regrettably it is considered invalid by today's Americans. A few people long time ago understood the part of the government in a big picture. The size and the powers of the government need to be severely restrained. Governments are there to protect the powerful elite. They have set up the system (the corporate state) and you will not take it away simply by complaining or thinking you can somehow fool the system to give it all up. The serious effort needs to be undertaken, and there are no signs of it. The system will collapse in time under it own weight, because of its own internal problems. no its literally verbatim with several english charters Bill of Rights 1689 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Bill of Rights 1689 Parliament of England Long title An Act Declaring the Rights and Liberties of the Subject and Settling the Succession of the Crown. Chapter 1 William & Mary Sess 2 c 2 Status: Amended Revised text of statute as amended The Bill of Rights (1688 or 1689) Created 1689 Ratified December 16, 1689 Location National Archives of the United Kingdom Author(s) Parliament of England Purpose Ensure certain freedoms and ensure a Protestant political supremacy. The Bill of Rights[1] is an Act of the Parliament of England passed on 16 December 1689.[2] It was a restatement in statutory form of the Declaration of Right presented by the Convention Parliament to William and Mary in March 1689 (or 1688 by Old Style dating), inviting them to become joint sovereigns of England. It lays down limits on the powers of the crown and sets out the rights of Parliament and rules for freedom of speech in Parliament, the requirement to regular elections to Parliament and the right to petition the monarch without fear of retribution. It reestablished the liberty of Protestants to have arms for their defence within the rule of law, and condemned James II of England for "causing several good subjects being Protestants to be disarmed at the same time when papists were both armed and employed contrary to law". These ideas about rights reflected those of the political thinker John Locke and they quickly became popular in England. It also sets out—or, in the view of its drafters, restates—certain constitutional requirements of the Crown to seek the consent of the people, as represented in Parliament. The Bill of Rights laid out certain basic rights for (at the time) all Englishmen. The Act set out that there should be: no royal interference with the law. Though the sovereign remains the fount of justice, he or she cannot unilaterally establish new courts or act as a judge. no taxation by Royal Prerogative. The agreement of the parliament became necessary for the implementation of any new taxes freedom to petition the monarch without fear of retribution no standing army may be maintained during a time of peace without the consent of parliament.[7] no royal interference in the freedom of the people to have arms for their own defence as suitable to their class and as allowed by law (simultaneously restoring rights previously taken from Protestants by James II) no royal interference in the election of members of parliament the freedom of speech and debates or proceedings in Parliament ought not to be impeached or questioned in any court or place out of Parliament "grants and promises of fines or forfeitures" before conviction are void no excessive bail or "cruel and unusual" punishments may be imposed Certain acts of James II were also specifically named and declared illegal by the Bill of Rights, while James' flight from England in the wake of the Glorious Revolution was also declared to be an abdication of the throne. Also, in a prelude to the Act of Settlement to come twelve years later, the Bill of Rights barred Roman Catholics from the throne of England as "it hath been found by experience that it is inconsistent with the safety and welfare of this Protestant kingdom to be governed by a papist prince"; thus William III and Mary II were named as the successors of James VII and II and that the throne would pass from them first to Mary's heirs, then to her sister, Princess Anne of Denmark and her heirs and, further, to any heirs of William by a later marriage. The monarch was further required to swear a coronation oath to maintain the Protestant religion. the government in the US is a corporation no need for heirs as PERPETUAL corporations cannot ever die. http://avalon.law.yale.edu/17th_century/england.asp as you can see it predates the us constitution, hence the US has nearly identical constitution to the the UK Only americans do not know that the rest of the world does.

Owner59 -> RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving (3/4/2013 7:33:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 The mythical "bi-partisanship" you`re imagining won`t happen till after your party splits and/or rejects it`s extremists. This right here shows how knowledgeable you are. I don't have a party sherlock. I see your ostrich strategy works well, but it is the country that suffers from gridlock in congress. If a single party was actually in power, then things would actually get done. So it is nobody's time, especially the American people's time. Sad. You lean republican.We all know that(those who know you,your history)and were a pretty active defender of the faith....pre-shrub. Ok so you`re trying to be more moderate....but you`re still a republican. Unless you`re planning on a complete verbal renouncement of the GOP? Let`s hear it and why. My point about there being no "bi-partisanship" until your party.....ummm....srorry...before the GOP ejects extremism...stands. What one of two parties does and how they conduct themselves`s ,VERY MUCH influences what the other does..... We are just now starting to fight back in the culture war.....after decades of a one sided attack. We are now and always going to fight the class/income war......because we (the middle class) are being attacked. Now....because of your party.....sorry.....because of the GOP......we have to revisit the war on voting rights. So you think we should sing kumbyya while the republicans are attacking voting rights?Get real... Do you think dozens of elected republicans and most rightist media calling the President (and democrats) marxist,communist,a dictator and worse is going to lead to harmony?

OrionTheWolf -> RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving (3/4/2013 12:14:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 You lean republican.We all know that(those who know you,your history)and were a pretty active defender of the faith....pre-shrub. Your opinion and perception only, which proves again my point. I have not voted republican in over 12 years, except for one local commisioner. Funny that the dem cheerleaders always think I am repub, and the repub cheerleaders think I am dem. Hyper-partisanship in action, which means I must be doing something right. quote: Ok so you`re trying to be more moderate....but you`re still a republican. If your pigeon holes work for you, in your small two sided world, then you can be wrong if you want. quote: Unless you`re planning on a complete verbal renouncement of the GOP? Another good example of hyper-partisanship and being sheeple. Wht not take good ideas where they are found? I prefer fiscal conservative and socially liberal, which explains your confusion. I renounced the repub party long ago. quote: Let`s hear it and why. Not what the topic is about, and why do I need to explain or justify myself to the likes of someone like you? quote: My point about there being no "bi-partisanship" until your party.....ummm....srorry...before the GOP ejects extremism...stands. Looks like justification to continue something that keeps things from being solved. People such as yourself are the real problem. You seem only concerned with dens or repubs winning, when it should just be better solutions we strive for. quote: What one of two parties does and how they conduct themselves`s ,VERY MUCH influences what the other does..... You are correct here. One party goes more extreme and the other follows, back and forth like a ping pong match. Then both parties are more concerned with finger pointing, just like you prove. quote: We are just now starting to fight back in the culture war.....after decades of a one sided attack. Here you claim it is a war, which is a self confession that you are more concerned about your side winning some imaginary battle, rather than the focus be making things better no matter what. Switch the side of the extreme stand and you are no better than a die hard repub. You are kind of like the flip side of "the sane one". quote: We are now and always going to fight the class/income war......because we (the middle class) are being attacked. Pretty pompous to take a position and claim it is for all of the middle class, but again that is what the extreme of both sides do. quote: Now....because of your party.....sorry.....because of the GOP......we have to revisit the war on voting rights. Another good example, you refute facts and any who still disagree must be a liar. quote: So you think we should sing kumbyya while the republicans are attacking voting rights?Get real... Are you saying I am unreal in some way? Just because you and I have different opinions? Should I show where the same has been claimed of you, and you comments to that? Do those comments hold to what you are now doing? If they do not, then isn't that hypocrisy for the sake of partisanship? All I have said is that people need to work together to find solutions. Both sides. You are the one that started the finger pointing to the other side. quote: Do you think dozens of elected republicans and most rightist media calling the President (and democrats) marxist,communist,a dictator and worse is going to lead to harmony? Same thing is done by both parties bub. You provide a great of example of that hyper-partisanship and the continued damage it does. Now if we could only get a repub extremist to step up and show the same things, from the other side, we could all see in one topic what the actual problems are. Thanks for the examples O59. I knew at least one ping pong player would step up. You can have the last word after this, since our back and forth is off topic and likely to be pulled. I see nothing beneficial in what you post, so adios gringo.

JeffBC -> RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving (3/4/2013 1:42:56 PM)
I agree Orion. I'm always amused when people talk of these problems as if the Republicans were the cause of it all and the Democrats valiantly trying to fix it all. I just ignored the group because they are, to my eye, a part of the problem not a part of the solution. But if it were what such a group ought to be then I'd be cheering them on.

Real0ne -> RE: No Labels - Bi-Partisan Problem Solving (3/4/2013 2:54:38 PM)
the irony never fails to make me laugh my ass off. we have partison people who want bipartison governance which of course is a functional dictatorship! why do I laugh so fucking hard!

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