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Fightdirecto -> Latest paranoia - "Government will declare Christianity a mental illness" (2/15/2013 9:10:18 AM)
Government May Classify Christians as Mentally Ill to 'Get Us Out of the Picture' quote: The American Family Association’s Buster Wilson is latching on to a new conspiracy theory that the government will eventually try to classify Christians as mentally ill in order to “get us out of the picture.” He said that the left uses terms like “right-wing fanatics” and “radicals” so that one day the government and the CDC can level “attacks against Christians based on some form of mental illness diagnosis” since they “hate” Christians. quote: Someday I believe that they are going to be attacks against Christians based on some form of mental illness diagnosis. I think it is not without reason that the left refers to people like us as those loony, right-wing fanatics or right-wing radicals, far-right-wing nut jobs. I think it is by design that they use those kinds of terminologies against us because one day I think there is going to be something in the hand of doctors, something in the hands of the CDC, something in the hands of the government that will be able to classify us a certain way and get us out of the picture. Again, who does the government hate? Who are they against? Who are they worried the most about? Those are the ones they are going to attack, you keep your eyes open to that. Wilson’s bold stance against heated political rhetoric may come as a surprise since he frequently describes progressives as the “progressive-homo-left-Christian-Bible-conservative-traditional value-hating crowd,” a “hate filled, heterophobic, christiphobic, and conservaphobic group” and “Bible hating, Christian hating, conservative knocking, vile, foul mouthed name calling, socialist hetero/Christo-haters.” While I have met a few extremist atheists who do claim that any religious belief (Christianity, Judism, Islam, Mormanism, Buddhism, etc.) is ipso facto proof of mental illness, they are an extremist minority.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Latest paranoia - "Government will declare Christianity a mental illness" (2/15/2013 9:52:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto Government May Classify Christians as Mentally Ill to 'Get Us Out of the Picture' quote: The American Family Association’s Buster Wilson is latching on to a new conspiracy theory that the government will eventually try to classify Christians as mentally ill in order to “get us out of the picture.” He said that the left uses terms like “right-wing fanatics” and “radicals” so that one day the government and the CDC can level “attacks against Christians based on some form of mental illness diagnosis” since they “hate” Christians. quote: Someday I believe that they are going to be attacks against Christians based on some form of mental illness diagnosis. I think it is not without reason that the left refers to people like us as those loony, right-wing fanatics or right-wing radicals, far-right-wing nut jobs. I think it is by design that they use those kinds of terminologies against us because one day I think there is going to be something in the hand of doctors, something in the hands of the CDC, something in the hands of the government that will be able to classify us a certain way and get us out of the picture. Again, who does the government hate? Who are they against? Who are they worried the most about? Those are the ones they are going to attack, you keep your eyes open to that. Wilson’s bold stance against heated political rhetoric may come as a surprise since he frequently describes progressives as the “progressive-homo-left-Christian-Bible-conservative-traditional value-hating crowd,” a “hate filled, heterophobic, christiphobic, and conservaphobic group” and “Bible hating, Christian hating, conservative knocking, vile, foul mouthed name calling, socialist hetero/Christo-haters.” While I have met a few extremist atheists who do claim that any religious belief (Christianity, Judism, Islam, Mormanism, Buddhism, etc.) is ipso facto proof of mental illness, they are an extremist minority. Since the APA, not the CDC or any Federal branch decides the coding for the DSM-IV, I'm going to simply get a chuckle out of that guy's theory.

Fellow -> RE: Latest paranoia - "Government will declare Christianity a mental illness" (2/15/2013 10:03:44 AM)
The government is not stupid. They have historical experience how to deal with religions. The problem is God being above the government powers, and people taking natural law and morality guidance from there instead of the government. Tyrannical governments attempt to co-opt religious leaders and this way control the population. In Soviet Union major religious leaders had KGB uniform hidden in their closet. Allegedly this process is underway in the US.

Nosathro -> RE: Latest paranoia - "Government will declare Christianity a mental illness" (2/15/2013 10:12:24 AM)
Mental Illness is catagorised by a group of Psychiatist who review various illnessess and then approves a publishcation of the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual). And this takes years. If it is not the DSM it is not a mental illness.

Moonhead -> RE: Latest paranoia - "Government will declare Christianity a mental illness" (2/15/2013 1:45:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto While I have met a few extremist atheists who do claim that any religious belief (Christianity, Judism, Islam, Mormanism, Buddhism, etc.) is ipso facto proof of mental illness, they are an extremist minority. or Ayn Rand, and nobody's met her since the early '80s...

DesideriScuri -> RE: Latest paranoia - "Government will declare Christianity a mental illness" (2/15/2013 3:36:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro Mental Illness is catagorised by a group of Psychiatist who review various illnessess and then approves a publishcation of the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual). And this takes years. If it is not the DSM it is not a mental illness. DSM-V is supposed to be published this year.

Real0ne -> RE: Latest paranoia - "Government will declare Christianity a mental illness" (2/15/2013 4:10:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fellow The government is not stupid. They have historical experience how to deal with religions. The problem is God being above the government powers, and people taking natural law and morality guidance from there instead of the government. Tyrannical governments attempt to co-opt religious leaders and this way control the population. In Soviet Union major religious leaders had KGB uniform hidden in their closet. Allegedly this process is underway in the US. STATE v. REDMON. (Supreme Court of Wisconsin. Dec. 13, 1907.) 1. CONSTITUTIONAL LAW—PURPOSES OF GOV- ERNMENT—LIMITATIONS. The general declaration in the Constitution of the purposes of civil government is a limita- tion upon legislative power, designed, in part at least, to prevent clearly unreasonable enact- ments restricting natural private rights. go on the net and see if anyone can find cases in CORPORATE america based on natural private rights. “To justify the state in thus interposing its authority in behalf of the public, it must appear, first, that the interests of the public generally, as distinguished from those of a par- ticular class, require such interference, and * * * that the means are reasonably neces- sary for the accomplishment of the purpose, and not unduly oppressive upon individuals.” [Ed. Note.—For cases in point, see Cent. Dig. vol. 10, Constitutional Law, § 148.] Same—Extent on Police Power. The police power extends to the enactment of all laws which in contemplation of the Con- stitution promote the public welfare. ALL HAIL THE FUCKING KING! Commander n chief and executive of the realm, caretaker of the public WEAL. MARSHALL, J. (after stating the facts as above). It is conceded that the legisla- tion in question was an attempt to exercise the police power of the state which is in- herent in sovereign authority under such limitations as exist in the national and state Constitutions, and that if as a police regula- tion it is not legitimate it is not the law though possessing the form thereof. A legis- lative enactment approved by the executive and duly published is not necessarily a law or binding on any one in respect to his liberty, his business or his property. try that in court some day and see where it gets us LOL this is a good example of how fucked up we are today and where it started.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Latest paranoia - "Government will declare Christianity a mental illness" (2/15/2013 6:52:57 PM)
There aren't many who can whine and play victim like the rabid evangelicals.

Unsuper -> RE: Latest paranoia - "Government will declare Christianity a mental illness" (2/16/2013 12:55:33 AM)
Guess you didn't get the 'opium of the masses' memo Imaginary friends are a great distraction. Drink more tap water

WebWanderer -> RE: Latest paranoia - "Government will declare Christianity a mental illness" (2/17/2013 8:07:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam There aren't many who can whine and play victim like the rabid evangelicals. Yup. There is nothing quite like the irony of American Christians who cry about being religiously persecuted despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Moonhead -> RE: Latest paranoia - "Government will declare Christianity a mental illness" (2/18/2013 4:36:42 AM)
Oh, don't even get me started on that one. They seem to think that the important part of Christ's teaching was being picked on, so they have to pretend that they're being victimised all the time. [:D] Remember the fuss about those Phillip Pulman films? The studio pulled the plug on the trilogy after the first film largely due to complaints that it was anti christian (which Pulman had done the mealy mouth on and more or less evaded in the books, never mind in the still more spineless film of Northern Lights) while the year's other big fantasy kids' film series (Narnia) continued unhindered, religious propaganda and all. If a group was being oppressed there, I don't think it was the Christians...

Kirata -> RE: Latest paranoia - "Government will declare Christianity a mental illness" (2/18/2013 7:57:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto While I have met a few extremist atheists who do claim that any religious belief (Christianity, Judism, Islam, Mormanism, Buddhism, etc.) is ipso facto proof of mental illness, they are an extremist minority. The American Family Association is a fundamentalist Christian organization. So although Wilson talks about "Christians," what he means is exclusively Christians like him, who don't view the rest of Christianity as truely Christian. And to paraphrase a quip attributed to William Burroughs, "a paranoid is someone who's noticed what's going on." Cosmic Narcissism: A New Psychological Disorder Religious Fundamentalism a Psychological Disorder? Should Religious Fundamentalism be Considered a Mental Illness...? Religious Fundamentalism as Mental Illness Religious zealotry as a mental disorder ... why the hell not? But is there anything to all this? The expectation that religious fundamentalism predicted irrationality was supported, but only after controlling for the effect of neuroticism; that is, after partialling out the redundancy between neuroticism and irrationality... This suggests that perhaps any relation between religious fundamentalism and the criterion variables may be explained by other personality factors... Religious fundamentalism only predicted a need for comfort. ~Journal of Religion & Society So it might be worth considering fundamentalsim more broadly, as a disorder driven by a desperate need for the comfort of certainty which manifests itself in an exultant arrogance among the affected who believe that they've found it. In this view, virtually any certainty will do. And because of his or her certainty, a fundamentalist will believe that anyone who fails to share it must of necessity be either mentally or morally compromised. Specifically how fundamentalists see others to be compromised simply depends on the particular certainty they've latched onto. You may be, variously, a minion of Satan, an oppressor of the masses, out to destroy the planet, or trying to get children killed. It doesn't really matter, the conclusion is always the same. You're defective and dangerous. Sound familiar? K.

Kirata -> RE: Latest paranoia - "Government will declare Christianity a mental illness" (2/18/2013 8:57:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto While I have met a few extremist atheists who do claim that any religious belief (Christianity, Judism, Islam, Mormanism, Buddhism, etc.) is ipso facto proof of mental illness, they are an extremist minority. The American Family Association is a fundamentalist Christian organization. So although Wilson talks about "Christians," what he means is exclusively Christians like him, who don't view the rest of Christianity as truely Christian at all. And to paraphrase a quip attributed to William Burroughs, "a paranoid is someone who's noticed what's going on." Cosmic Narcissism: A New Psychological Disorder Religious Fundamentalism a Psychological Disorder? Should Religious Fundamentalism be Considered a Mental Illness...? Religious Fundamentalism as Mental Illness Religious zealotry as a mental disorder... why the hell not? But is there anything to all this? The expectation that religious fundamentalism predicted irrationality was supported, but only after controlling for the effect of neuroticism; that is, after partialling out the redundancy between neuroticism and irrationality... This suggests that perhaps any relation between religious fundamentalism and the criterion variables may be explained by other personality factors... Religious fundamentalism only predicted a need for comfort. ~Journal of Religion & Society So it might be worth considering fundamentalsim more broadly, as a disorder driven by a desperate need for the comfort of certainty which manifests itself in an exultant arrogance among the affected who believe that they've found it. In this view virtually any certainty will do, and the affected will believe that anyone who fails to share it must of necessity be mentally or morally compromised. Specifically how fundamentalists see others to be compromised depends on the particular certainty they've latched onto. You may be, variously, a minion of Satan, an oppressor of the masses, out to destroy the planet, trying to get children killed, or whatever else. It doesn't really matter. The fundamentalist's conclusion is always the same: You're defective and dangerous. Sound familiar? K.

Moonhead -> RE: Latest paranoia - "Government will declare Christianity a mental illness" (2/18/2013 11:28:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata And to paraphrase a quip attributed to William Burroughs, "a paranoid is someone who's noticed what's going on." Who was it who said that if it wasn't Burroughs? I'm sure it turns up in his letters, even if not in his fiction.

Kirata -> RE: Latest paranoia - "Government will declare Christianity a mental illness" (2/18/2013 1:53:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata And to paraphrase a quip attributed to William Burroughs, "a paranoid is someone who's noticed what's going on." Who was it who said that if it wasn't Burroughs? I'm sure it turns up in his letters, even if not in his fiction. Good grief, I just realized I double-posted. I should get more sleep. Anyway, I checked and it appears that it was indeed Burroughs, but with one additional word in it: "A paranoid is someone who's noticed what's really going on." K.

mnottertail -> RE: Latest paranoia - "Government will declare Christianity a mental illness" (2/18/2013 1:54:32 PM)
Since you have the quote correct, and know what he really said now, we shall count you amongst the paranoid, K. R

leonine -> RE: Latest paranoia - "Government will declare Christianity a mental illness" (2/18/2013 3:01:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Remember the fuss about those Phillip Pulman films? The studio pulled the plug on the trilogy after the first film largely due to complaints that it was anti christian (which Pulman had done the mealy mouth on and more or less evaded in the books, never mind in the still more spineless film of Northern Lights) To be fair, I think they could have continued to dodge the religious issues the way they did in the first film. But they painted themselves into a corner by building up Asriel as a hero (allegedly, some moron at the studio had decided he was "an Indiana Jones-style character,") then cutting off the story just before he murders the cute little boy. There was no way the plot could carry on without that scene, and there was no way the studio was going to make that scene, so the sequel was never going to happen.

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