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At what age..? - 2/12/2013 8:01:32 PM   
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After reading this back to myself I decided it is a rant. But, it has been on my mind lately so I am letting it fly.

At what age did you expect to know it all? My area is ripe with bdsm activity, mostly among the younger crowd. It is pretty common around here to see people as young as 18 already dipping their toes into BDSM activity, quite a few belong to some house or another. As far as groups go, my area at least has a lot of experience under their belt. Still, they do make mistakes now and again. Back when I was running things the group dynamic was older, people from late 30's and up made up most of the members and still they sometimes made mistakes.

There was even *GASP* disagreements on acceptable terms, because some people embraced what others rejected. Eventually of course, with time people learned what was and was not going to work with the masses.

As far as I know, no one was always right. No one knew all the terms, or protocal, nothing was definitive, based at least on the long running "discussions" which peppered my list. Sometimes things got so repetitive I had to shut things down or clean them up. I make no apologies. It was my group. I kept it from disinegrating.

There were a number of people who argued their point ad`nausem, and quite a few who just stopped responding and or left. Age, relative maturity, experience and ego brought a level of interest and discussion which I enjoyed for a decade. The one thing I could not expect was for someone new to know everything, regardless of their age. But, I often gave the younger ones more leeway probably because I started out so young myself.

And trust me.. "I" didn't know it all. lol I made more mistakes than anyone should and still have things come out well. If there were terms when I was in my 20's, I didnt hear a lot of them. I did however know a few "shemales" who were not transgender, they just enjoyed dressing up. And yes, that term was even listed in the back pages of LA underground mags. 30 yrs ago things were a lot different, less PC than now. Mostly I just went along, keeping in the background and learning what was acceptable among my crowd. Keeping quiet until I know the lay of the land has kept me alive and thriving most of my life. I did it when I was a kid to fit in to my anglo neighborhood and I still do it today. But, that has held me back too. That is probably why I am not hard on people when they don't know things or how to express themselves.

We get people all the time who either don't know what they want, or how to express it. We get people new to this stuff or who are not english natives and have trouble getting their point across. I just do not understand why we expect people to know so much when we know nothing about them.

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RE: At what age..? - 2/12/2013 8:10:09 PM   
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You have a point. However, for non English speakers or those with learning disabilities, how difficult is it to state that in your sig line.

I'm not going to read through every past post someone has made hoping to find an explanation for why their posts are incomprehensible.

I'm not a mind reader. Not in interpersonal relationships nor on here. Nor do I believe I have to become one. The onus on clear expression is on the person talking. If they have problems that impact this, then they need to state that.

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RE: At what age..? - 2/12/2013 8:17:00 PM   
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[The OP] is a pretty great post/ point. I run into people frequently who are brand spanking new to a particular pastime of mine. They have lots of questions, and I cut them a lot of slack as long as they're willing to be open and honest about their ignorance. No one was born with complete knowledge, and I'm happy to fill others in where I can. If I don't have an answer, or we're into opinion rather than fact, I try to make that very clear.

What really pisses me off is being asked for my (relatively, sometimes absolutely) expert opinion, and then being told I'm wrong. Or, when someone acts as if that they have a deep knowledge base, when it's painfully obvious that they're clueless or chock full of bad info.

Like I said, I have no problem with ignorance (and have plenty of it myself) but I really appreciate when it's accompanied with honesty and a desire to learn.

*Edited for clarity.

< Message edited by tommonymous -- 2/12/2013 8:18:21 PM >


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RE: At what age..? - 2/12/2013 8:22:55 PM   
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quote:

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Like I said, I have no problem with ignorance (and have plenty of it myself) but I really appreciate when it's accompanied with honesty and a desire to learn.


That's pretty much my view. I have no problem pointing someone in the right direction to find information, but it irritates me when someone expects to be handed the answers. And what makes that worse, is if you're handed the answers, you can't be sure that they're the right answers for YOU. Make some effort, go learn, and make an informed decision rather than just parroting what someone else has said.


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RE: At what age..? - 2/12/2013 8:29:38 PM   
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Thats where I am. I don't mind pointing out a few paths but I am not going to do the research for them. I get paid for that. I just do not understand the attack mentality when it is just as easy to give gentle nudges.

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RE: At what age..? - 2/12/2013 8:30:02 PM   
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I admit I can be pretty hard on Generation Z. There are a lot of things that are so much easier as far as finding information, etc than there was when I got My feet wet. My computer skills suck but I can find darn near any answer on the internet if I had a question. This ain't like having to find the kinky people through the Blue Oyster or some other rag.

People have gotten very used to having everything at the touch of their fingers. (One of the traits of Generation Z.) For a lot, kink would collapse if the internet never functioned again.

It's not about knowing it all. It's about having the drive to obtain the information and education that is needed.


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RE: At what age..? - 2/12/2013 8:34:16 PM   
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I was pretty hard on generation Z until I realized I was pretty damned dumb when I was that age. No internet in site, true, but LA and Long beach were full of access to perversions. For me knowlege comes from experience, not research.

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RE: At what age..? - 2/12/2013 8:44:24 PM   
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I'm nice and helpful to someone if they are polite but if they start out their first post with complaints and whining instead of wanting actual help, then they get what they deserve.

There have been a few here who I have been nice to on their first posts but unfortunately they don't post very often. I have even told them that they should stick around and learn some more and they were thankful for it. But most newbies are not so thankful and just want you to tell them what they want to hear. When you don't then you get the responses that the majority do here; "you're all so mean!" or "you're all fakes/bitches/idiots, etc...."



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RE: At what age..? - 2/12/2013 8:48:55 PM   
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Oh come on, how hard is it to type a few words into google and hit enter? People come in here EXPECTING us to just hand them information like its owed it to them. Its just not going to happen. I certainly do not mind helping, but I expect askers to do at least the basics of legwork, since a 6 year-old knows these days how to download mp3s to an Ipod

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RE: At what age..? - 2/12/2013 8:50:06 PM   
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None of us knows it all, and there is nothing wrong with helping someone, and being patient... but I do believe I have a decent bullshit detector...

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RE: At what age..? - 2/12/2013 9:10:31 PM   
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This might be a bit off topic,
And I may have said this before, but people born
in the age of the smart phone have if so good!
I've learned more with this gadget then I ever
did at school, having any information you want
at your fingertips, whenever you want, is such a
powerful tool for self-betterment.

And thank you Wikipedia!!


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RE: At what age..? - 2/12/2013 9:13:39 PM   
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yes I agree there is a lot of whining. Whining is probably the most predictable first post. Too many fin-dommes! Is anyone real? Fell hard for my master and now he is gone! Whining is too common. Probably why I don't post in many of those, cause really.. my fingers got too sore. I would love to see more good first posts but if I were a first poster and saw sharks in the water I would probably stay in the boat. It took me a lot of years to get the confidence to say what I mean and not care if someone took offense to it.

And taking off on my initial point I wiki'd the term shemale and now understand why I had no clue it was not pc. 30 yrs ago that is what I saw in the Back alley newspapers, because they were on sale. I still have some of those old mags to pull from to this day, that was how people found them so it was a common term. Now I know transgendered, CD's and a huge variety of other kinks, but, had no real interest in learning more because it was not MY kink. I also don't look up scat play or why someone might wish to do that, as it has no validity in my life.

There is quite a bit out there on which I have little knowlege and some kink which intrigues me but which I choose to remain ignorant to keep the mystery intact.

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RE: At what age..? - 2/12/2013 9:13:54 PM   
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I don't know it all.
Hell, I learn every day.

I don't mind helping someone by sharing facts or my personal experiences.

However, I am NOT going to do all the work for someone.
It is far to easy to obtain information now days.
Between local communities, online, and books.

Heck, people are to lazy to even use the search feature. *shrugs*



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RE: At what age..? - 2/12/2013 10:38:00 PM   
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The search feature isn't really up to scratch here.
I even have trouble finding my own posts
sometimes.

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RE: At what age..? - 2/12/2013 10:44:05 PM   
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I don't mind offering help if I have personal experience in what they're asking about.

If I don't know the answer but know that I could find it out if I googled it, then I just don't bother replying. If it was that important to them, surely they could have done that first.

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RE: At what age..? - 2/13/2013 1:34:01 AM   
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In general, I've always found that the more I learn, the less I "know".




Imagine what you'll "know" tomorrow.

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RE: At what age..? - 2/13/2013 2:26:33 AM   
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At 17 I was sure I knew everything. By 22 I was sure I didn't.

As to kinky younger adults, some come into the community and want to learn and be safe and some think they know it all already. The former seem to stick around longer IME. I've stopped giving advice unless it is directly asked for.

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RE: At what age..? - 2/13/2013 4:02:00 AM   
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OP - i'm 55 - a pretty decent age - and i keep waiting to feel like an adult.

I have about decided that humans don't grow up, they cover their uncertainties and ineptitudes with bullshit, so they appear to be adult.

As for the current generation - unmotivated, disinclined to work, and if its boring, they can't be bothered. and i bet thats what my parents generation said about mine lol.

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RE: At what age..? - 2/13/2013 8:52:19 AM   
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We were from the same generation. It is what they said about ours.

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As for the current generation - unmotivated, disinclined to work, and if its boring, they can't be bothered. and i bet thats what my parents generation said about mine lol.



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