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I have a solution to the legal and illegal gun problem. - 1/26/2013 6:40:51 PM

jlf1961

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It is actually a three stage plan.

1) Repeal The Posse Comitatus Act

2) Ban all legally purchased civilian guns.

3) Put federal troops on every street corner in every town and city.

Now granted this has some drawbacks, becoming a police state and all, but hey, considering the absurdly stubborn stand anti gun proponents have taken, this seems to be the only logical solution.

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RE: I have a solution to the legal and illegal gun prob... - 1/26/2013 6:45:49 PM

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We could hook everyone up to lie detectors, and the ones we suspect of being pro gun, we lob their arms off.

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RE: I have a solution to the legal and illegal gun prob... - 1/26/2013 6:55:10 PM

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We could hook everyone up to lie detectors, and the ones we suspect of being pro gun, we lob their arms off.

No, I am not saying they have no right to their opinion, but they seem to be worse than a politician when it comes to compromise.

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RE: I have a solution to the legal and illegal gun prob... - 1/26/2013 7:08:53 PM

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3) Put federal troops on every street corner in every town and city.

Not good enough. That still wouldn't solve the problem of domestic violence. We'd need video surveillance in our homes, hotels, camping grounds, well, you know, everywhere. Of course, even then all we'd probably end up with is having the crime on tape, not stopping it. I afraid the only solution is to put some chemical in our food that makes us docile and fearful of offending anyone at any time anywhere. Only then can we truly have the utopia we all want.

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RE: I have a solution to the legal and illegal gun prob... - 1/26/2013 7:10:22 PM

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3) Put federal troops on every street corner in every town and city.

Not good enough. That still wouldn't solve the problem of domestic violence. We'd need video surveillance in our homes, hotels, camping grounds, well, you know, everywhere. Of course, even then all we'd probably end up with is having the crime on tape, not stopping it. I afraid the only solution is to put some chemical in our food that makes us docile and fearful of offending anyone at any time anywhere. Only then can we truly have the utopia we all want.

K.

I am not sure, but you seem to be describing a sci fi movie I saw once.

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RE: I have a solution to the legal and illegal gun prob... - 1/26/2013 7:13:49 PM

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I am not sure, but you seem to be describing a sci fi movie I saw once.

Ya think?

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RE: I have a solution to the legal and illegal gun prob... - 1/26/2013 7:15:44 PM

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Ya think?

K.

Yeah it based on some book by a guy named Oilwell or something.

But you have to admit, there would be a lot less gun violence this way...

Of course I would move to a nice piece of remote property that would not be cost effective to wire for surveillance. Hell the local utility company was gonna charge the five guys I own the property with by the mile to get electricity to the place, we put in wind turbines and solar.

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RE: I have a solution to the legal and illegal gun prob... - 1/26/2013 7:42:10 PM

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3) Put federal troops on every street corner in every town and city.

Not good enough. That still wouldn't solve the problem of domestic violence. \

Yes, well you can reduce that just by getting the gun out of the house.

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RE: I have a solution to the legal and illegal gun prob... - 1/26/2013 7:45:24 PM

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3) Put federal troops on every street corner in every town and city.

Not good enough. That still wouldn't solve the problem of domestic violence. \

Yes, well you can reduce that just by getting the gun out of the house.

I see you failed to notice I said ban ALL guns. Reading comprehension problem maybe?

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RE: I have a solution to the legal and illegal gun prob... - 1/26/2013 7:53:20 PM

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Reading comprehension problem maybe?

Ya dont wanna go there tonight.

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RE: I have a solution to the legal and illegal gun prob... - 1/26/2013 9:17:38 PM

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Well since guns are a huge conservative hot button issue, why not simply apply right wing logic: nuke 'em all, and let God sort 'em out.

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RE: I have a solution to the legal and illegal gun prob... - 1/26/2013 9:21:34 PM

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Well since guns are a huge conservative hot button issue, why not simply apply right wing logic: nuke 'em all, and let God sort 'em out.

That seems a bit extreme. I think banning all guns, miltary on every street corner, armed military patrols in every neighborhood, helicopter gun ships in the air with all possible sensors on them, form a secret police force independent of the Justice system.

Actually, when you look at the steps the patriot acts started, it kind of seems logical.

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RE: I have a solution to the legal and illegal gun prob... - 1/26/2013 11:20:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

It is actually a three stage plan.

1) Repeal The Posse Comitatus Act

2) Ban all legally purchased civilian guns.

3) Put federal troops on every street corner in every town and city.

Now granted this has some drawbacks, becoming a police state and all, but hey, considering the absurdly stubborn stand anti gun proponents have taken, this seems to be the only logical solution.

Stubborn yes, just as much as the pro gun are, absurd, no, but the pro gun are.

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RE: I have a solution to the legal and illegal gun prob... - 1/27/2013 6:43:22 AM

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We could hook everyone up to lie detectors, and the ones we suspect of being pro gun, we lob their arms off.

No, I am not saying they have no right to their opinion, but they seem to be worse than a politician when it comes to compromise.

Bullshit. Gun control advocates are mostly willing to find compromises that work and maintain gun owners ability to enjoy the sporting uses of firearms.

The problem is that nothing is acceptable to the gun nuts who claim to speak for all gun owners.

The NRA has rejected:
universal background checks for any gun sale (no more gun show sales or private sales without background checks).
better reporting of people who are barred from owning guns to the instant check system
Allowing the BATF to monitor gun dealers suspected of being involved in gun smuggling and illegal sales (BATF cannot even do an inventory of a suspected dealers stock to verify if he has sold weapons without the proper paperwork).
Any limits on what weapons should be in the hands of civilians
any limits on magazine size

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RE: I have a solution to the legal and illegal gun prob... - 1/27/2013 6:54:28 AM

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Stupid Constitution always getting in the way of people who know what's best for everyone...

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RE: I have a solution to the legal and illegal gun prob... - 1/27/2013 7:13:19 AM

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I think the movie you're thinking of is THX-1138, which was George Lucas's first Sci-Fi movie. My favorite line from it was when Thex (played by Robert Duval) stops taking the mind control drugs the gov't is feeding him, and while suffering withdrawal, pukes in a public trashcan. The cops are watching the surveillance video feed, and he is logged as being suspected of 'illegal drug evasion' . . .

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RE: I have a solution to the legal and illegal gun prob... - 1/27/2013 7:43:53 AM

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It is actually a three stage plan.

1) Repeal The Posse Comitatus Act

2) Ban all legally purchased civilian guns.

3) Put federal troops on every street corner in every town and city.

Now granted this has some drawbacks, becoming a police state and all, but hey, considering the absurdly stubborn stand anti gun proponents have taken, this seems to be the only logical solution.

Here's a slightly modified idea -

#1 - yep, I agree with that.
#2 - change that to include ALL guns, legal or otherwise.
#3 - why bother with that? If there aren't the dangers with so many guns around, the odinary policeman can patrol his beat properly and efficiently.

And as I've said in another thread, there are those who will create hell because they can't go target shooting or hunting. Let them justify just one or two appropriate guns to do that with and let them keep the guns locked in a secure safe at the club.
And by 'appropriate', I mean a single-shot or semi-auto rifle. a similar hand gun or a shotgun.
Effectively, nobody would be allowed to keep guns at home.
Hunting? Go get the guns from the club, sign them out, sign a release certificate, go hunting, sign the gun back in at the club. Maximum of 5 days.

The police wouldn't need guns either - for most crimes they can chase the criminals and use their night-sticks and handcuffs.
Anyone caught with a gun without having a valid release certificate - instant arrest and 6 months in jail with no parole; the gun would be destroyed. Nobody goes hunting in the towns or cities so anyone caught with a gun within 2 miles of the town/city limits - same sentence.

Nasty critters in your garden??
Ring your local wildlife centre, zoo or local sheriff to come and deal with it.
There is no need to shoot it so no guns are necessary no matter where you live.

The only place you should ever see any other type of gun would be inside a military establishment.

The main and essential difference between that solution and what you have now is that no guns are allowed anywhere in/on the streets and you won't be allowed to keep guns at home.
That would also kill any problems with what safe to have for guns at home or how far your responsibility goes if they are stolen - quite simply, you shouldn't have guns at home, not even an air rifle!

There... problem solved.
No 'police' state.
No infringement of the 2nd.
No guns on the streets.
People can still legally own licensed guns for specific purposes.
Police wouldn't be afraid of raiding known gangs either.
Customs can still x-ray all imports to stop guns coming into the country.
The gun manufacturers can still make guns and keep some people employed.

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RE: I have a solution to the legal and illegal gun prob... - 1/27/2013 7:49:48 AM

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#3 - why bother with that? If there aren't the dangers with so many guns around, the odinary policeman can patrol his beat properly and efficiently.

The police wouldn't need guns either - for most crimes they can chase the criminals and use their night-sticks and handcuffs.
Police wouldn't be afraid of raiding known gangs either.

Wow, criminals and "known gangs" are quite accommodating in this proposed utopia...

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RE: I have a solution to the legal and illegal gun prob... - 1/27/2013 8:01:48 AM

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Logical Solutions:

Require all firearm owners to clear background checks for criminal records. Construct and maintain a federal' no guns' list in the same manner as the 'no fly' list. Allow avenues for appeal, but if you're on the list, you are not allowed to purchase or possess a firearm. If you are on the list and are found in possession of a firearm, you go to prison.

Require all firearms to be registered. If you are found in possession of an unregistered firearm, said firearm is confiscated and you are charged with a misdemeanor. If the unregistered firearm turns out to be stolen, you are then charged with a felony. If the firearm can be proven to have been used in a crime previously, the owner shall be charged as an accessory in that crime.

If you sell a firearm, you are required to notify LE that you no longer possess that weapon, and are further required to inform LE of the identity of the purchaser. Failure to do so makes you culpable for any crimes involving the use of the weapon you sold.

Straw buyers should be prosecuted vigorously. If you buy a firearm in order to illegally transfer it to another, the buyer should be charged as an accessory in whatever crime that firearm was involved and handed a lengthy prison sentence.

Gun dealers should be subject to inspection, auditing, and the same oversight to which your local pharmacy is subject. There should be computer access at gun shows so that purchasers can be vetted on the spot. Sale of a firearm by a dealer to someone on the 'no gun' list should result in the loss of ALL of their business licenses and confiscation of their entire inventory. We need to make the penalties for illegal sales so draconian that NO reputable dealer would even consider violating the law. Disreputable dealers needs to be put out of business and into prison.

Require all firearm owners to carry insurance on their weapons. Failure to carry such insurance should result in confiscation of all firearms until such insurance is carried.

Require firearm owners to be culpable for any injuries caused by a firearm they possess. If you leave a gun out, and a child picks it up and an injury / death occurs, the owner is charged with criminal negligence as well as the charges of manslaughter / assault.

Eliminate bail / bond for anyone charged with a violent crime involving use of a firearm; use of a firearm in commission of a crime makes the defendant ineligible for any form of early release, and prosecutors should be barred from any plea bargaining. If you use a gun to commit a crime, you go to jail until you are either acquitted or have served your sentence in full. Further, if you use a gun to commit a crime, you will serve your sentence in its entirety without ANY possibility of early release - no parole, no probation, period. If you're a criminal who uses guns in criminal activity, you need to go away for as long as the law permits.

Institute Florida's 10-20-Life policy nationally. Use of a firearm in commission of a violent crime gets you a 10 year sentence that will be served BEFORE you begin serving the sentence for the crime of which you were convicted. Fire the weapon, and it's 20 years. Hit / kill someone, and it's life without the possibility of parole.

I have no problem with law abiding citizen having guns. However, that means they actually follow the law. People who decide that they disagree with the law and therefore refuse to obey the law are, by definition, no longer law abiding citizens, they are criminals. If you decide that you don't like any of the gun laws and ignore them, you're a criminal, and I have zero sympathy for you. Guns don't kill people. People with guns kill people. Those who are irresponsible, negligent, mentally unstable, or criminal should never be allowed to possess firearms. If they insist on doing so, they need to be removed from society for the protection of its citizens.

Responsible possession and use should be encouraged, and irresponsible use should bring down the full weight of the law. If you're a responsible, law abiding citizen, no problem. If you're no, BIG problem.

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RE: I have a solution to the legal and illegal gun prob... - 1/27/2013 8:10:10 AM

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We could just take all of the muggers, rapists, burglars, home invaders and car jackers out behind the courthouse and hang them. Eventually - either through deterrence or attrition - those activities will cease. Once the reason to own a gun for self defense is gone people who own them to defend themselves will turn them in.

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