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Is this for real, verse two. - 12/28/2012 2:03:42 PM   
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5 yrs in Prison??? $10,000.00 fine????/ Shame!!!! He needs to be applauded!! Make this go viral!! Share!!!

This is messed up

Valley marine calls himself to duty at an Elementary school. Sgt. Craig Pusley wears his desert camo fatigues...no weapons...just him. Took it upon himself to go to the nearby school and stand watch outside. The school loved it. The principal thanked him. No pay..no breaks...just his heart felt need to do this. His reward? Marine Corp Reservists says he violated protocol bt wearing his fatigues and not his dress uniform in public. Facing $10,000 fine and 5 years in prison. Also getting a "dishonorable" stamp on his "honorable" discharge. He served 2 tours in iraq, in Baghdad and Ramadi. One in Helmand province of Afghanistan before leaving active duty.

Now he is writing a letter to the President apoligizing for his actions.

WAKE UP! This man is a wonderful outstanding brave hero in my book and to think for a second that his heart felt need to go stand in front of his little neighborhood school was wrong. Screw you! The President should be sending him a Thank you letter.

So I salute you Sgt. Craig Pusley. Thank you!


With few exceptions, guard duty does not require a dress uniform

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RE: Is this for real, verse two. - 12/28/2012 2:10:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		So on face value my read on this is that his action sends shivers down my spine and I sorely wish he hadn't done it. I also note that he did, in fact, break regulations and that's not something to just sniff at. But the penalties discussed there are WAY, WAY, WAY outside of anything I'd be thinking. I'd be hoping more for a slap on the wrist & "bad boy". So I'm not saluting the guy by any stretch but I'd sign a petition to stop any kind of punitive reaction of such ridiculously huge proportions.

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RE: Is this for real, verse two. - 12/28/2012 2:12:16 PM   
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RE: Is this for real, verse two. - 12/28/2012 2:15:36 PM   
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Pusley said he is 25 years old and dreamt of being a Marine as a child. He cracked his femur during boot camp, but made it to graduation, he said. Afterward, he was assigned to the Basic Marine Platoon at the recruit depot, where injured personnel can be assigned to provide time to heal.

Pusley was separated from the service after it was found he took unauthorized absence to attend a court hearing involving his ex-wife, he said. It’s the Corps’ version of being absent without leave, and can lead to be court-martialed. Pusley thought he had leave at the time, he said.

Marine officials said Pusley served from July 17, 2007, to April 8, 2008. His only listed duty station was MCRD San Diego.

Questions about Pusley’s service mushroomed Thursday after the website Business Insider posted a report disclosing his military service. Other news outlets and blogs quickly followed.

“CONFIRMED: The ‘Marine Vet’ Standing Guard at a California School is a Phony,” the headline on Business Insider said.

Pusley said he believes he’d still be a Marine if he hadn’t run into trouble with the court hearing, and still relies on the Corps’ core values of honor, courage and commitment. He works now as a tattoo artist, he said.

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RE: Is this for real, verse two. - 12/28/2012 2:47:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

With few exceptions, guard duty does not require a dress uniform


No, but it does require correct rank tabs. 

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RE: Is this for real, verse two. - 12/28/2012 3:34:30 PM   
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In this case, he is looking at some charges, just not sure what

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RE: Is this for real, verse two. - 12/28/2012 3:43:58 PM   
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Didnt know all that, it just showed up on my face book.

In this case, he is looking at some charges, just not sure what


Yeah, he had SGT's tabs on.  He said that he borrowed the uniform (where did his go, anyways?) and only replaced the name tags.  (My name tags were sewn on and my rank tabs removable.)

It would not be impersonation of an officer, but I am sure that there is something else for a civilian impersonating an NCO. 

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RE: Is this for real, verse two. - 12/28/2012 5:17:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry, the kid is a fraud and deserves what he gets not just for the wrong uniform but on being awol, impersonation, deceit, etc...

I really wish people would research stuff before they go posting it on FB or taking stuff from their FB and assuming it's true. This is how false information gets disseminated and goes on to cause all kinds of troubles.



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RE: Is this for real, verse two. - 12/29/2012 6:40:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Sorry, the kid is a fraud and deserves what he gets not just for the wrong uniform but on being awol, impersonation, deceit, etc...

I really wish people would research stuff before they go posting it on FB or taking stuff from their FB and assuming it's true. This is how false information gets disseminated and goes on to cause all kinds of troubles.



i agree..this comes right off the marine corps fb page...their unhappy about it as well
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/battle-rattle/2012/12/21/on-video-marine-caught-lying-about-his-service/

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RE: Is this for real, verse two. - 12/29/2012 6:54:04 AM   
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I attend school with a guy that served in the Air Force. There are plenty of ex-military, or reservists that attend. This guy has made snide comments, under his breath, about an active military member. And, it wasn't the typical Army-Navy rivalry banter. He was actually ticked off because the guy was in dress uniform without a hat. He also said it bugged him when he saw someone in fatigues without a hat on when they are outside.

To me - never having served - it seems a bit nitpicky, but I understand the following orders/rules training these fine men and women go through.



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RE: Is this for real, verse two. - 12/29/2012 7:27:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's a love affair that so many young have today, trying to achieve some sort of hero-status. It was started after the Spanish-American war when the US last actually paid our military for their risk and skills.

Starting with WWI, the powers that be decided they didn't have to pay them, just give them medals (if they survived) and call them heroes...dead or alive.

Recruits off to France were paid $30/month with more than half withheld for war bonds (on which they lost money of course) and for any debts you may leave behind...if that is, you were by then...a dead 'hero.' I think WWI produced about 50,000 dead heroes, didn't it ?

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RE: Is this for real, verse two. - 12/29/2012 8:46:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		The laws, regulations, rules and protocols of the military exist for a reason. They also exist to be followed. Imagine what shape the military would be in if people were allowed to bend and break the rules.

From what I can remember when I worked with the Polish MOD wearing battle fatigues in a public place whilst not being on duty is illegal in most Western countries.

It's also dishonourable to the people who have seen active service and to the people who gave their lives in service.

It's also disrespectful to people much in the same way as me using the Stars and Stripes as a dishcloth would be disrespectful to American people.

Such a uniform isn't just clothing, it's also a powerful internationally recognized symbol and wearing such a uniform is an honour for anyone.

That honour should not be diminished. While it may seem harsh to some I feel that the court's decision is justified. Even if he didn't see active service in Iraq Pulsey must have understood the significance of wearing such a uniform and yet he chose to do so.

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RE: Is this for real, verse two. - 12/29/2012 12:34:53 PM   
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But the uniform regulations of the military don't typically apply to civilians.

Using a uniform to commit an actual fraud is punishable, but not by military law.

What court decision are you agreeing with?


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ORIGINAL: stellauk

The laws, regulations, rules and protocols of the military exist for a reason. They also exist to be followed. Imagine what shape the military would be in if people were allowed to bend and break the rules.

From what I can remember when I worked with the Polish MOD wearing battle fatigues in a public place whilst not being on duty is illegal in most Western countries.

It's also dishonourable to the people who have seen active service and to the people who gave their lives in service.

It's also disrespectful to people much in the same way as me using the Stars and Stripes as a dishcloth would be disrespectful to American people.

Such a uniform isn't just clothing, it's also a powerful internationally recognized symbol and wearing such a uniform is an honour for anyone.

That honour should not be diminished. While it may seem harsh to some I feel that the court's decision is justified. Even if he didn't see active service in Iraq Pulsey must have understood the significance of wearing such a uniform and yet he chose to do so.



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RE: Is this for real, verse two. - 12/29/2012 12:42:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

FR,

I attend school with a guy that served in the Air Force. There are plenty of ex-military, or reservists that attend. This guy has made snide comments, under his breath, about an active military member. And, it wasn't the typical Army-Navy rivalry banter. He was actually ticked off because the guy was in dress uniform without a hat. He also said it bugged him when he saw someone in fatigues without a hat on when they are outside.

To me - never having served - it seems a bit nitpicky, but I understand the following orders/rules training these fine men and women go through.

It's about respect for the uniform and the rules. Even more than 20 years after my discharge it still bugs me to someone doing that stuff.

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RE: Is this for real, verse two. - 12/29/2012 12:44:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		The scary thing is that this guy, or another one could have showed up at a school in a military uniform, or a police uniform, *and* armed... and the principal would probably have still thanked him... and never questioned his authority.

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RE: Is this for real, verse two. - 12/29/2012 12:51:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

FR,

I attend school with a guy that served in the Air Force. There are plenty of ex-military, or reservists that attend. This guy has made snide comments, under his breath, about an active military member. And, it wasn't the typical Army-Navy rivalry banter. He was actually ticked off because the guy was in dress uniform without a hat. He also said it bugged him when he saw someone in fatigues without a hat on when they are outside.

To me - never having served - it seems a bit nitpicky, but I understand the following orders/rules training these fine men and women go through.

It's about respect for the uniform and the rules. Even more than 20 years after my discharge it still bugs me to someone doing that stuff.
We've had this conversation in My house a few times. My other half has corrected other active duty folks a number of times for instances where somebody wasn't doing the proper uniform thing.



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RE: Is this for real, verse two. - 12/29/2012 1:18:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: stellauk

The laws, regulations, rules and protocols of the military exist for a reason. They also exist to be followed. Imagine what shape the military would be in if people were allowed to bend and break the rules.

From what I can remember when I worked with the Polish MOD wearing battle fatigues in a public place whilst not being on duty is illegal in most Western countries.

It's also dishonourable to the people who have seen active service and to the people who gave their lives in service.

It's also disrespectful to people much in the same way as me using the Stars and Stripes as a dishcloth would be disrespectful to American people.

Such a uniform isn't just clothing, it's also a powerful internationally recognized symbol and wearing such a uniform is an honour for anyone.

That honour should not be diminished. While it may seem harsh to some I feel that the court's decision is justified. Even if he didn't see active service in Iraq Pulsey must have understood the significance of wearing such a uniform and yet he chose to do so.



except when they came back from nam

and of course when some general wants to conference on tv news

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RE: Is this for real, verse two. - 12/29/2012 1:22:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

FR,

I attend school with a guy that served in the Air Force. There are plenty of ex-military, or reservists that attend. This guy has made snide comments, under his breath, about an active military member. And, it wasn't the typical Army-Navy rivalry banter. He was actually ticked off because the guy was in dress uniform without a hat. He also said it bugged him when he saw someone in fatigues without a hat on when they are outside.

To me - never having served - it seems a bit nitpicky, but I understand the following orders/rules training these fine men and women go through.

It's about respect for the uniform and the rules. Even more than 20 years after my discharge it still bugs me to someone doing that stuff.



wouldnt it be nice to have some of that respect returned to the "man"?

you know if I were to look at anyones life and put it under the microscope I assure you that I can find more legal violations than you can count on your hands and toes combined.

not to be nit picky or anything.

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RE: Is this for real, verse two. - 12/29/2012 8:25:17 PM   
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What court decision are you agreeing with?



Sorry got the wrong end of the stick and thought that there had been a court decision.


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RE: Is this for real, verse two. - 12/30/2012 4:56:02 AM   
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