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tazzygirl -> RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of Speech" Rights? (12/24/2012 3:35:25 PM)
quote: There is no Law on the books by which a forgein national can sue for legal entry. And yet they are suing.

tj444 -> RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of Speech" Rights? (12/24/2012 3:57:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meomymaid The aritcle doesn't state all that is required. i.e. willingness to reside in the US, pass all the security checks among others. God thanks just tossing out money isn't enough to live here. Osama had enough of that. This isn't a case law, this is a claim filed. the article misses the depth that is required to even pass the simplest immigration requirements. Whilst there is a provision to grant resident alien rights based on investment, it doesn't mean everything else is off the table. The USCIS makes it very clear that there is no gurantee that because of an investment this is linked to resident alien rights as business interest can be represented by a trustee. You are making the assumption that the resident aliens didnt meet requirements.. from what I gather about the case (so far), its the US govt changing the rules in 2012 (in how they count jobs created) that is actually the root of the problem.. "At the beginning of 2012 the USCIS announced it was re-assessing its interpretation of the job count for indirect job creation, without giving a great deal of information on the changes it required. As a result, American Life used a second economist to support the job count on all projects where visas were still being processed. The USCIS has since adjudicated on some projects; most visas have been approved, but on one project, visas have been denied." "I don't have the precise legal terminology but essentially, we are claiming that the USCIS has been approving visas for nine years and, without any legislative changes, there is now an established precedent and it cannot retrospectively deny approvals based on the same criteria. We believe we have a strong case. Four weeks from today, both parties will be called before a Court Judge for a preliminary discussion and we are hopeful that the USCIS will be advised that it is likely to lose the case, and will then approve the visas." http://www.eb5-visa.net/news.html#American_Life_protects We will see where the dust settles..

Rule -> RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of Speech" Rights? (12/24/2012 4:16:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fellow Morgan is part of the mainstream media, his job is to spread propaganda. He is a spokesperson not a journalist. Hid deportation would not solve much, some other person would present "news" and "his own" opinions. The propaganda today is sophisticated, it is done in a stealthy manner. I suspect that you may be right.

subrob1967 -> RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of Speech" Rights? (12/24/2012 7:39:01 PM)
Oh the hypocrisy of the left is glaring... How many times has someone from the progressive caucus posted a petition to have someone or something they didn't like shut up or shut down? Now that the shoe is on the other foot all we hear is whine whine whine. Fuck Morgan, and his opinion... He's just another ignorant foreigner offering an opinion on how America should be run, and as usual, the progressive mindset is to toss out the second amendment but cry foul when a conservative tells that progressive voice to stfu. I personally don't give two shits about your opinion, or how you think America should be governed.

DomKen -> RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of Speech" Rights? (12/24/2012 7:55:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Oh the hypocrisy of the left is glaring... How many times has someone from the progressive caucus posted a petition to have someone or something they didn't like shut up or shut down? Now that the shoe is on the other foot all we hear is whine whine whine. Fuck Morgan, and his opinion... He's just another ignorant foreigner offering an opinion on how America should be run, and as usual, the progressive mindset is to toss out the second amendment but cry foul when a conservative tells that progressive voice to stfu. I personally don't give two shits about your opinion, or how you think America should be governed. Show me one of these petitions calling for state action to silence a conservative.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of Speech" Rights? (12/24/2012 8:19:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Oh the hypocrisy of the left is glaring... How many times has someone from the progressive caucus posted a petition to have someone or something they didn't like shut up or shut down? Now that the shoe is on the other foot all we hear is whine whine whine. Fuck Morgan, and his opinion... He's just another ignorant foreigner offering an opinion on how America should be run, and as usual, the progressive mindset is to toss out the second amendment but cry foul when a conservative tells that progressive voice to stfu. I personally don't give two shits about your opinion, or how you think America should be governed. So what would you say about conservatives who want to wipe their ass with the First to protect the Second? "Teh Brit, He's pickin on us...waaaah waaah whimper whimper, kick his meanie head ass out of teh country"

jlf1961 -> RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of Speech" Rights? (12/24/2012 8:29:40 PM)
Well, lets face facts, brits as a species are not the most diplomatic of creatures. (I am of Welsh, Scot, Irish, Cherokee and Apache ancestry) They have a nasty tendency to piss people off, especially the French, (the hundred years war, and of course the Napoleonic Wars) and they have a tendency to think they know how to do things better than anyone else, including driving (they drive on the wrong side of the road.) And we all know how the "we know better than anyone else" works, look how they ran Ireland. What's worse, they aint even real british, they be saxons, jutes, normans but not brits, native brits are celts.

Fellow -> RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of Speech" Rights? (12/24/2012 8:33:08 PM)
quote: This is more nonsense from you. Morgan isnt a spokesperson for anybody. He is a self opinionated wanker among other things. But he does have the right to free speech. Your conspiracy theories have loosened a few screws. Check out the video I recommended. Despite his guests explain in derail the situation with Iran the man keeps repeating the same thing. Isn't warmongering against Iran, and now the gun confiscation the government most popular line? This is what these people (like Morgan) must say in order to keep their job.

tj444 -> RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of Speech" Rights? (12/24/2012 8:47:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Well, lets face facts, brits as a species are not the most diplomatic of creatures. [:D] I rather like the Brits.. they are straight-forward and have a (biting) sense of humor I adore.. [:)] But I dont watch talk shows so have never seen his.. He must be happy to have created such a stir.. [:D]

jlf1961 -> RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of Speech" Rights? (12/24/2012 8:49:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Well, lets face facts, brits as a species are not the most diplomatic of creatures. [:D] I rather like the Brits.. they are straight-forward and have a (biting) sense of humor I adore.. [:)] But I dont watch talk shows so have never seen his.. He must be happy to have created such a stir.. [:D] Did you notice my ancestry, I am genetically programed not to like the brits to much, or should I say angles, saxons, jutes, normans, britons. I mean lets face it, with the exception of the welsh and scots, there aint any true brits on the island.

tj444 -> RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of Speech" Rights? (12/24/2012 8:56:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Well, lets face facts, brits as a species are not the most diplomatic of creatures. [:D] I rather like the Brits.. they are straight-forward and have a (biting) sense of humor I adore.. [:)] But I dont watch talk shows so have never seen his.. He must be happy to have created such a stir.. [:D] Did you notice my ancestry, I am genetically programed not to like the brits to much, or should I say angles, saxons, jutes, normans, britons. I mean lets face it, with the exception of the welsh and scots, there aint any true brits on the island. yes I did notice but to me you are 100% American thru and thru... [:D]

jlf1961 -> RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of Speech" Rights? (12/24/2012 8:59:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Well, lets face facts, brits as a species are not the most diplomatic of creatures. [:D] I rather like the Brits.. they are straight-forward and have a (biting) sense of humor I adore.. [:)] But I dont watch talk shows so have never seen his.. He must be happy to have created such a stir.. [:D] Did you notice my ancestry, I am genetically programed not to like the brits to much, or should I say angles, saxons, jutes, normans, britons. I mean lets face it, with the exception of the welsh and scots, there aint any true brits on the island. yes I did notice but to me you are 100% American thru and thru... [:D] I am 25% American, 75% White Anglo Saxon Invader

subrob1967 -> RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of Speech" Rights? (12/24/2012 9:01:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Oh the hypocrisy of the left is glaring... How many times has someone from the progressive caucus posted a petition to have someone or something they didn't like shut up or shut down? Now that the shoe is on the other foot all we hear is whine whine whine. Fuck Morgan, and his opinion... He's just another ignorant foreigner offering an opinion on how America should be run, and as usual, the progressive mindset is to toss out the second amendment but cry foul when a conservative tells that progressive voice to stfu. I personally don't give two shits about your opinion, or how you think America should be governed. So what would you say about conservatives who want to wipe their ass with the First to protect the Second? "Teh Brit, He's pickin on us...waaaah waaah whimper whimper, kick his meanie head ass out of teh country" Are you saying they don't have the right to petition the government? Is that a right you'd like to see taken away?

Hillwilliam -> RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of Speech" Rights? (12/24/2012 9:06:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Oh the hypocrisy of the left is glaring... How many times has someone from the progressive caucus posted a petition to have someone or something they didn't like shut up or shut down? Now that the shoe is on the other foot all we hear is whine whine whine. Fuck Morgan, and his opinion... He's just another ignorant foreigner offering an opinion on how America should be run, and as usual, the progressive mindset is to toss out the second amendment but cry foul when a conservative tells that progressive voice to stfu. I personally don't give two shits about your opinion, or how you think America should be governed. So what would you say about conservatives who want to wipe their ass with the First to protect the Second? "Teh Brit, He's pickin on us...waaaah waaah whimper whimper, kick his meanie head ass out of teh country" Are you saying they don't have the right to petition the government? Is that a right you'd like to see taken away? Im saying that people who want to petition to see a member of the press (YaKNOW, First Amendment, Fourth Estate, that kinda stuff) evicted from the country because he said something they don't like are a bunch of whiny little bitches. Isnt that what you were saying about all the leftists who were petitioning against Rush? Hell, all they wanted was for his sponsirs to drop him. The Far Righties want this guy deported when he as done nothing illegal. Again. Whiny Little Bitches who want to wipe their ass with the Consittution because someone hurt their widdwe feewings. They have the right to do it. They're just Whiny Little Bitches. They sound like the kind of people who eat tofurkey for Thanksgiving and release lab rats.

LizDeluxe -> RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of Speech" Rights? (12/24/2012 9:29:55 PM)
Morgan should be deported not because of his beliefs but because he is an incredible asshole.

jlf1961 -> RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of Speech" Rights? (12/24/2012 9:31:24 PM)
If we deported every asshole in the country, the population would eventually hit zero.

LizDeluxe -> RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of Speech" Rights? (12/24/2012 9:51:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 If we deported every asshole in the country, the population would eventually hit zero. We can't deport the assholes who are born here. We're just stuck with them. Asshats like Morgan we can do without. I don't care what his beliefs are. He is entitled to whatever opinion he chooses. His behavior on his show has been deplorable ever since he took up his gun control tirade. I once enjoyed his interviews. I'll never watch his show again.

jlf1961 -> RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of Speech" Rights? (12/24/2012 9:55:39 PM)
good point. How about this idea, we tie the guy up and force him to watch a continuous loop of Nixon saying that he is not a crook

Moonhead -> RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of Speech" Rights? (12/25/2012 4:50:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Well, lets face facts, brits as a species are not the most diplomatic of creatures. [:D] I rather like the Brits.. they are straight-forward and have a (biting) sense of humor I adore.. [:)] But I dont watch talk shows so have never seen his.. He must be happy to have created such a stir.. [:D] Did you notice my ancestry, I am genetically programed not to like the brits to much, or should I say angles, saxons, jutes, normans, britons. I mean lets face it, with the exception of the welsh and scots, there aint any true brits on the island. The Scots are Picts, and there's a suspicion in some quarters that the Welsh aren't Celts either, but weird unclassified sorts who were driven into Wales by the first influx of Celts who weren't the original natives. Possibly some of the odder and more insular types in the west country might be directly descended from bronze age celtic stock, but I wouldn't bank on it. (It's also worth remembering, in this context, that the angles, saxons and jutes were here long before there was a Britain, which only came into existence with the Act Of Union (with Scotland) in the early eighteenth century.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of Speech" Rights? (12/25/2012 5:43:12 AM)
FR, We need to treat Morgan like we should treat every other asshat that we don't agree with: shake our head at the message, ignore the person, and go about our own lives. All this cockamamie horseshit over "he said this" or "she sad that" is ridiculous and not worth two shits (not even worth one, IMO).

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