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Hillwilliam -> RE: My idea for gun control (12/21/2012 12:15:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Maybe some sort of punitive action against people who have their guns used for a crime by somebody else would be a deterrent in these cases? Most people are not going to just hand their gun to someone and say, "Here, go commit a crime." So if someone has their gun used by someone else in the commission of a crime, then most likely that gun was stollen. This means that the original owner gets to be victimized once by having his gun(s) stollen, then they get to be victimized again by having punitive actions taken against them because of the actions of the person that victimized them in the first place. Again, sounds fair to me. (sarcasm font again) Surely, if someone is so lax with deadly weapons that they are stolen, they should be punished. If they can't be responsible with guns, they shouldn't have them in the first place. The Mona Lisa was stolen from the Louvre. http://history1900s.about.com/od/famouscrimesscandals/a/monalisa.htm If a thief wants something badly enough and has the balls and brains to go after it, there is very damn little an ordinary person can do about it. it isn't a question of responsibility. It's a question of the motivation and ability of the criminal.

Moonhead -> RE: My idea for gun control (12/21/2012 12:16:17 PM)
Not what I'm implying. Over here, your telly's the first the thing that they look for when they do your house over. Over there, they'll be looking for guns.

tazzygirl -> RE: My idea for gun control (12/21/2012 12:23:13 PM)
quote: it isn't a question of responsibility. It's a question of the motivation and ability of the criminal. Its a question of both. Someone extremely intent upon stealing your guns will certainly find ways to try. Why make it easier on them by not locking them up?

Kirata -> RE: My idea for gun control (12/21/2012 12:34:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ElChupa How about the mental illness problem in America? The mental illness problem in America, eh? Well, speaking as someone who interned on a locked ward for criminally adjudicated patients, I can tell you that when you are dealing with a disturbed and potentially violent population you take steps to remove means and opportunity. Unfortunately, the only reliable diagnostic sign that someone is violent is their commission of a violent act. So, the nut cases are always going to get that first one in. But today it comes with the full fucking assurance that the more spectacular their violence the more they can count on a bunch of equally crazy nuts making them a round-the-clock television celebrity for weeks on end. I would say that's the mental illness problem here. We feed on violence. We love the thrill of that righteous feeling when we condemn the offender. We love it so much that most of the time we don't even bother waiting until all the facts are known and the case has been adjudicated. Well, the reality is that these offenders do not come here from Mars and commit their crimes in a vacuum. K.

kdsub -> RE: My idea for gun control (12/21/2012 1:03:36 PM)
quote: Problem is, not all weapons are licensed. In order for your proposal to work, they all would have to be. Im not disagreeing with you, but again, we are looking at the problem as an after-the-fact. You have to start somewhere and over time the number of unlicensed weapons will decrease. Butch

kdsub -> RE: My idea for gun control (12/21/2012 1:07:10 PM)
quote: gawd, leftists always think laws will solve all the problems of the world. How about the mental illness problem in America? The profession has "mainstreamed" nut jobs into the population for years. That's the problem. Plus, how about throwing away the key when idiots commit crimes with guns? By the way, governments have caused more mass killings, MANY MORE, than any lone gunman with a pistol or rifle. BUT, leftists don't really want to solve the problem; they just want some law passed that will make them feel good for about two minutes. None of the taxes or laws I am proposing will inhibit gun ownership. As far as your post is concerned I agree and should go hand in hand with what I propose...and will not take one gun away or prevent anyone from buying except if they are mentally ill or a felon or selling outside existing laws. Butch

kdsub -> RE: My idea for gun control (12/21/2012 1:13:05 PM)
quote: As far as a law that would penalize someone if a weapon they owned was stolen and used in a crime, I can see a bunch of Constitutional problems with that Hill I'm not talking stolen... I am talking about selling a weapon without going through a registered third party where a proper background check can be performed... see what I mean? For instance if I own an assault rifle...registered or not...and decide to sell it to my neighbor without going to a registered gun shop and paying a small fee to have a background check performed.. and my nutcase of a neighbor uses it to commit a crime then I should pay a penalty. Butch

kdsub -> RE: My idea for gun control (12/21/2012 1:15:41 PM)
quote: Maybe this kid was mentally ill. I have not heard he was seeing a psychiatrist or anything to prove he was mentally ill besides what some hairdressers say and old friends from school. I think we jump to everything being said on the news and react. It will be moths before everything is analyzed and a picture has been painted. Theres alot of opinions but no proof. The only proof in the tragedy is the M5 ended these peoples lives. Ryan...the Newtown case is only one of many gun tragedies in this country... Even if mental illness was not a factor here it would still save lives in other situations I think. Butch

Moonhead -> RE: My idea for gun control (12/21/2012 1:18:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Hill I'm not talking stolen... I am talking about selling a weapon without going through a registered third party where a proper background check can be performed... see what I mean? Wouldn't the same law apply to both? I can't see how this would be an issue. If somebody nicks your registered gun, you declare it stolen. The date of the theft will be on the paperwork, so if it turns up again in bad company, it won't be your problem.

kdsub -> RE: My idea for gun control (12/21/2012 1:19:53 PM)
quote: So...what you are saying is, "Let's tax the legal, law abiding citizens and make them pay for the criminal activities of the law breakers." Right? Sounds fair to me. (sarcasm font) I'm saying let the users take responsibility for the problems with their sport and help fund solutions. Is it fair that gun owners reap the fun and protection of owning weapons and make those of us that do not own weapons help pay for your licensing and background checks? Or are you of the mind that any background check and licensing is not needed? Butch

kdsub -> RE: My idea for gun control (12/21/2012 1:29:35 PM)
quote: Wouldn't the same law apply to both? I can't see how this would be an issue. If somebody nicks your registered gun, you declare it stolen. The date of the theft will be on the paperwork, so if it turns up again in bad company, it won't be your problem. Moon the problem is people don't always know their weapons have been stolen. Say a single woman kept her gun in a drawer by the bed stand and someone took it. It may be days or even weeks before it is noticed. I keep an unloaded shotgun in a closet with a trigger lock and shells in a different room. It is possible someone could steal it and I would not check it for weeks or months. But if I sold it to a felon, known or not, or someone with a mental problem without getting a background check on the buyer then I would deserve a fine or more if it were more than one offense in my opinion. Butch

tazzygirl -> RE: My idea for gun control (12/21/2012 1:44:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: Problem is, not all weapons are licensed. In order for your proposal to work, they all would have to be. Im not disagreeing with you, but again, we are looking at the problem as an after-the-fact. You have to start somewhere and over time the number of unlicensed weapons will decrease. Butch Which is my point about locking them up to begin with.

Focus50 -> RE: My idea for gun control (12/21/2012 1:46:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: ElChupa How about the mental illness problem in America? I can tell you that when you are dealing with a disturbed and potentially violent population you take steps to remove means and opportunity. As I live and breathe.... Kudos for not being the hardcore gun-humper too many of your posts indicate - that there is some light filtering through at the end of the tunnel. It's sooo simple, ay? You think "steps to remove means and opportunity" and you apply it to the entire USA, which, to the rest of the western world, clearly represents the "potentially violent population" of your analogy. In other words, you do as those other modern western societies have done and try to protect the innocent victims instead of forever grieving for the latest casualties. Hmmmm, I hear Prez Obama is gonna set up some committee. As a fan of the old "Yes, Prime Minister" comedy series, I'm sure Sir Humphrey Appleby would be beaming with bureaucratic pride. Focus.

tazzygirl -> RE: My idea for gun control (12/21/2012 1:46:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: Wouldn't the same law apply to both? I can't see how this would be an issue. If somebody nicks your registered gun, you declare it stolen. The date of the theft will be on the paperwork, so if it turns up again in bad company, it won't be your problem. Moon the problem is people don't always know their weapons have been stolen. Say a single woman kept her gun in a drawer by the bed stand and someone took it. It may be days or even weeks before it is noticed. I keep an unloaded shotgun in a closet with a trigger lock and shells in a different room. It is possible someone could steal it and I would not check it for weeks or months. But if I sold it to a felon, known or not, or someone with a mental problem without getting a background check on the buyer then I would deserve a fine or more if it were more than one offense in my opinion. Butch A responsible gun owner doesnt let days or weeks go by without checking. If she doesnt have it locked up, she should be checking for it each time she leaves and comes back, provided she doesnt carry it with her.

IgorsHand -> RE: My idea for gun control (12/21/2012 2:02:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam The Mona Lisa was stolen from the Louvre. http://history1900s.about.com/od/famouscrimesscandals/a/monalisa.htm If a thief wants something badly enough and has the balls and brains to go after it, there is very damn little an ordinary person can do about it. it isn't a question of responsibility. It's a question of the motivation and ability of the criminal. The Mona Lisa was on public display. Art on public display is always at risk. Hardly the same thing as a weapon. To say the poiint of a weapon is self defence and if that is the point of owning a gun, it is damning that someone should be able to steal it..

VideoAdminChi -> RE: My idea for gun control (12/21/2012 2:05:10 PM)
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