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In the 21st century I want to know... - 12/19/2012 2:05:28 PM   
jlf1961


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Seems all we manage to do is fight amongst ourselves.

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RE: In the 21st century I want to know... - 12/19/2012 2:10:21 PM   
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RE: In the 21st century I want to know... - 12/19/2012 2:40:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

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Not completely...



Clockwise from upper left:
    1944 – Dick Purcell – Republic Studios teamed up with Marvel to make a 15-episode Captain America serial starring Dick Purcell.
    1973 – Aytekin Akkaya – In the Turkish-made film Captain America and Santo vs. Spider-Man, Akkaya portrays Cap as the head of a task force assigned to take down the evil Spider-Man.
    1979 – Reb Brown – Steve Rogers (Brown) was made a struggling artist pre-transformation in two full-length Captain America TV movies.
    1990 – Matt Salinger – The story, costume, and villain were all better in this direct-to-video Captain America movie starring Salinger, yet somehow the movie still managed to fail.


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RE: In the 21st century I want to know... - 12/19/2012 2:43:51 PM   
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(I'd question that anything, besides the Red Skull's makeup job, was any good in the 1990 one, btw. The scriptwriter needs dropping down a well.)

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RE: In the 21st century I want to know... - 12/19/2012 3:48:51 PM   
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It seems each side calls the other side unamerican.

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RE: In the 21st century I want to know... - 12/19/2012 4:01:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
What the hell is an American anymore? Seems all we manage to do is fight amongst ourselves.

Interesting psyche studies on that one. But yes, as a nation we have been getting progressively more polarized for some time now. Ultimately that trend will either be halted and/or reversed or there will be civil war. I don't actually think there are many "americans" anymore. I think there's the red team and the blue team.


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RE: In the 21st century I want to know... - 12/19/2012 4:27:00 PM   
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People from the US will always be the descendants from other countries.


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RE: In the 21st century I want to know... - 12/19/2012 4:35:39 PM   
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RE: In the 21st century I want to know... - 12/19/2012 4:42:29 PM   
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And if you talk about the so called "native americans" wel they aren't native at all...
They are actually people that already moved to america lots of years before Europe discoverd it. (all proven by skull identification, every "people" have their type of skull, but the skulls of "native americans" all belong to different groups from around the world)

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RE: In the 21st century I want to know... - 12/19/2012 4:45:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well if you want to take that point of view, there are no native Europeans, they all came out of Africa.

Same is true for every ethnic group on the planet.

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RE: In the 21st century I want to know... - 12/19/2012 4:48:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Ahem. Not all of us.



Yes Toots.....All of us.

Mankind started out in East Africa and we all stem from there.


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RE: In the 21st century I want to know... - 12/19/2012 4:53:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		True, but European people did developed their own race, so as Africans and Asians (maybe more but lets keep it on those three)

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RE: In the 21st century I want to know... - 12/19/2012 5:02:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ermood

Yes you are.

And if you talk about the so called "native americans" wel they aren't native at all...
They are actually people that already moved to america lots of years before Europe discoverd it. (all proven by skull identification, every "people" have their type of skull, but the skulls of "native americans" all belong to different groups from around the world)


LOL

And at what point does a people become indigenous to the land they populate? As Jeff pointed out, all life began in one spot....

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all belong to different groups from around the world


From all around the world?

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2012/07/11/one-big-migration-spawned-most-but-not-all-indigenous-americans/

But you keep up with your... beliefs.

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RE: In the 21st century I want to know... - 12/19/2012 5:05:21 PM   
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Or hell Socrates

It aint new.

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RE: In the 21st century I want to know... - 12/19/2012 5:14:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Ahem. Not all of us.



Yes Toots.....All of us.

Mankind started out in East Africa and we all stem from there.




Read what he wrote again.

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People from the US will always be the descendants from other countries.


When was the first "country"?

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RE: In the 21st century I want to know... - 12/19/2012 5:15:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ermood

True, but European people did developed their own race, so as Africans and Asians (maybe more but lets keep it on those three)

Why? You assume distant genetics make a people. FAIL. It's culture that forms individuals, communities and lately, nations. Most of the groups Americans are derived from have rich histories of slaughtering each other for reasons we won't ever know. 'Just Because' in the case of our Celtic ancestors?
Americans have been at loggerheads from the beginning, or doesn't anyone read history? There have always been wide divergences, Slave/free for a big one. Goldbased money or not about had people chocking each other? Read the political diatribes during the Federalist Papers era. Some of those could teach even Rush a few things about disrespect and incivility. Racial harmony Never existed, it's better now than ever before.
Till well after the Civil War, States often drew more identification than country here.
Few 'Americans' now even know the various ethnic and political contributions of their various ancestors. Almost no slave derived blood origins are known. And these vary all over Africa from dozens of very distinct 'tribes', some bigger than a few nations now. My pioneer fathers came from 'back East'. Where their parents were born is a mystery.
It's what groups we choose to identify with that define where we see 'sameness' and aliens. "Hispanics" are a mythical creation of current political correctness in the US. Elsewhere in the hemisphere one's Spanish blood often defines status, Indio blood lowers it. Black 'blood' is a liability in most. there is little acknowledgement of cohesiveness just because of language. All stuck under one rubric in the States? Yet 'Hispanic' is a potent political idea in US politics now.
Most Americans are unaware that Germany contributed about as many immigrants as Great Britain and possessions. But the cultural heritage is largely lost for various reasons, the disappearance of the language more than most.
We are who we think we are. Blood is for the Anthropologists and biochemists to determine. Our allegiances and antagonisms are currently formed more by mass media and our friends and acquaintances than anything else. The old ethnic neighborhoods that kept cultures from overseas alive through 3 generations are almost gone now. Too many changes, no sense of history to connect us to any origins earlier than our personal memories.

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RE: In the 21st century I want to know... - 12/19/2012 5:25:13 PM   
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It's culture that forms individuals, communities and lately, nations.


And tell me, what is the american culture?

There is none really, its a bunch of cultures put together... nothing more and nothing less.

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RE: In the 21st century I want to know... - 12/19/2012 5:29:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tazzy, the first people to settle anywhere did so in what is now Iraq, along the fertile valley of the Tigris.

America, was connected to the rest of the world initially with Africa but latterly via Russia. My understanding it isnt known exactly where the first indigenous Americans came via the Bering straits when it was a land bridge.

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RE: In the 21st century I want to know... - 12/19/2012 5:34:44 PM   
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"Race does not exist. Racism does exist."
- Charles Keyes, Anthropologist, University of Washington, 1996

"Human populations are not unambiguous, clearly demarcated, biologically distinct groups. Evidence from the analysis of genetics (e.g., DNA) indicates that there is greater variation within racial groups than between them. These facts render any attempt to establish lines of division among biological populations both arbitrary and subjective."
- American Anthropological Association, 1998

The "three-race" theory is long gone.

Race is a classification system used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by heritable phenotypic characteristics (physical appearance), geographic ancestry, culture, history, language, ethnicity, and social status. In the early twentieth century the term was often used, in a taxonomic sense, to denote genetically differentiated human populations defined by phenotype.[1][2]




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RE: In the 21st century I want to know... - 12/19/2012 5:39:54 PM   
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