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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

My suggestion would be to read the 8th Amendment again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Cruel_and_unusual_punishments

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: ServosCor
How do you begin to compare responsible, law abiding citizens who have never broken a law or killed another human being with someone who massacre's 20 innocent children and their teachers?   There is no comparison.  Just a world of differences.[/quote]

Quite easily if both lack and a conscience and compassion.     <from Rule>

              And since you asked the question of me personally I can assure you that I have an overabundance of both.  I have zero tolerance for those who take lives and create the type of mayhem we have at this moment in our country.  Perhaps I have a bit of a jaded opinoin on this whole damn subject.  Let me ask this of the forum:  How many of you have lost a loved one to such a depraved individual???  Might you feel completely different if YOUR child had attended that school and been one of the 20?  I CAN ask this question as I lost a beautiful 15yr old niece to a scumbag back in 1986.  Sabrina was on her way home from school  .........and never arrived home.  The police were involved, my family was devastated............Fast forward to 1989.  Her body was found in Dania, Florida .........the little bit of what were her remains were brought out of the mangroves in paper sacks.   Her murder destroyed her mother, she died a few years after discovery of Sabrina's body..... due to a broken heart imho. So yea, maybe I have my own personal reasons as to why I feel the way I do when it comes to the punishement fitting the crime.

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ORIGINAL: Rule
You err in accusing DomKen of being a coward. According to my model of the various human minds, I expect him to be without fear and to have limitless courage.

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ORIGINAL: Just0Plain0Mike

8th Amendment, ok.

Prison is not a fun place to be. It's brutal and nasty, people are beaten, raped,and killed pretty regularly. This is especially bad for people convicted of crimes against children. I suggested he got off easy by killing himself, and that he deserved to spend time in prison awaiting execution for his crimes. (Although just found out CT abolished the death penalty in April.) Now by equating this to an 8th Amendment violation, you're implying that no one can be sent to prison, because it's too brutal.

If he'd have lived, he'd be in prison. No jury would have accepted an insanity plea in a case like this. So, I'm a sick, psycho bastard for suggesting that a person who killed 20 CHILDREN be sent to prison? All I did was further state that he would have had a very bad time of it. That's not a situation of my making, it's just what would have happened unless he was held in segregation for life.

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I suggested that he deserved to get the death penalty and spend the next 10-15 years while awaiting his execution getting what he deserves from his fellow inmates.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Just0Plain0Mike

I just got bitched at for being bloodthirsty and sadistic, just like all the other gun-nuts, because I suggested that the shooter in Newtown got off too easy by shooting himself. I suggested that he deserved to get the death penalty and spend the next 10-15 years while awaiting his execution getting what he deserves from his fellow inmates. Since he's already dead, I really hope there's a Hell so he can burn for eternity.

So, anyone? Any non-gun-nuts think he got off too easily?

No human being deserves to be beaten and raped by others, no matter what he has done.

To wish such a fate on someone who likely was seriously mentally ill just to fulfill your revenge fantasy is beyond repugnant.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: Just0Plain0Mike

8th Amendment, ok.

Prison is not a fun place to be. It's brutal and nasty, people are beaten, raped,and killed pretty regularly. This is especially bad for people convicted of crimes against children. I suggested he got off easy by killing himself, and that he deserved to spend time in prison awaiting execution for his crimes. (Although just found out CT abolished the death penalty in April.) Now by equating this to an 8th Amendment violation, you're implying that no one can be sent to prison, because it's too brutal.

If he'd have lived, he'd be in prison. No jury would have accepted an insanity plea in a case like this. So, I'm a sick, psycho bastard for suggesting that a person who killed 20 CHILDREN be sent to prison? All I did was further state that he would have had a very bad time of it. That's not a situation of my making, it's just what would have happened unless he was held in segregation for life.

No, what I am saying is that, by saying ....

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I suggested that he deserved to get the death penalty and spend the next 10-15 years while awaiting his execution getting what he deserves from his fellow inmates.

... was wrong and clearly against the intent of the 8th.

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ORIGINAL: Just0Plain0Mike

I just got bitched at for being bloodthirsty and sadistic, just like all the other gun-nuts, because I suggested that the shooter in Newtown got off too easy by shooting himself. I suggested that he deserved to get the death penalty and spend the next 10-15 years while awaiting his execution getting what he deserves from his fellow inmates. Since he's already dead, I really hope there's a Hell so he can burn for eternity.

So, anyone? Any non-gun-nuts think he got off too easily?

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


To wish such a fate on someone who likely was seriously mentally ill just to fulfill your revenge fantasy is beyond repugnant.

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The average time spent on death row is 10 years, sometimes as long as 20

Contrary to what is wished for an inmate on death row (abuse at the hands of other prisoners) death row inmates are seperated from gen pop and each other, they are allowed 1 hour in a concrete walled enclosure to get outside.

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ORIGINAL: Just0Plain0Mike

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
I'm willing to say it anywhere at any time. I'm not a sniveling xoward who needs fantasies of some mentally ill person being beaten and raped to comfort me.

Says the guy spouting off in an internet forum.

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ORIGINAL: Just0Plain0Mike

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
I'm willing to say it anywhere at any time. I'm not a sniveling xoward who needs fantasies of some mentally ill person being beaten and raped to comfort me.

Says the guy spouting off in an internet forum.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

My suggestion would be to read the 8th Amendment again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Cruel_and_unusual_punishments

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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The average time spent on death row is 10 years, sometimes as long as 20

Contrary to what is wished for an inmate on death row (abuse at the hands of other prisoners) death row inmates are seperated from gen pop and each other, they are allowed 1 hour in a concrete walled enclosure to get outside.

And?

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: Just0Plain0Mike

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
I'm willing to say it anywhere at any time. I'm not a sniveling xoward who needs fantasies of some mentally ill person being beaten and raped to comfort me.

Says the guy spouting off in an internet forum.

Spouting off is not how I would characterize Ken's posts,on th other hand there are a few here who I do feel are doing nothing but "spout off"
Care to take a guess of who I have in mind right now ?

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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The average time spent on death row is 10 years, sometimes as long as 20

Contrary to what is wished for an inmate on death row (abuse at the hands of other prisoners) death row inmates are seperated from gen pop and each other, they are allowed 1 hour in a concrete walled enclosure to get outside.

And?

That is, IMO, cruel and unusual. I could not get an average on how many times the average death row inmate is moved to the death cell in preparation for execution, but I know in one case in Texas it was 10 times, with the closest to execution the call came in was about 2 minutes.

That in my opinion is psychological torture.

Wouldnt you agree?