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Fightdirecto -> Finally - An Explanation Why President Obama Was Re-elected (12/13/2012 9:10:17 AM)

There have been many assessments as to why the majority of American voters chose to re-elect President Obama rather than elect Republican Mitt Romney, Libertarian Gary Johnson or one of the fringe party candidates. Here's the latest from the Eagle Forum's Roger Schafly:

Non-Christians voted overwhelmingly Democrat

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NPR radio reports:
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Election analysts have hashed over the gender gap and the marriage gap. They talked about Hispanic voters and gay voters. But it was the religiously unaffiliated voters, ...

— In Ohio, Obama lost the Protestant vote by 3 points and the Catholic vote by 11, but he won the "nones" — 12 percent of the state's electorate — by 47 points.

— In Virginia, Obama lost Protestants by 9 points and Catholics by 10 points, but won 76 percent of the "nones," who were 10 percent of the electorate.

— In Florida, Obama lost Protestants by 16 points and Catholics by 5 points, but captured 72 percent of the "nones." They were 15 percent of the electorate.

Similar results were seen in states including Michigan, New Hampshire and Pennsylvania.

Yes, the exit polls show that non-Christians voted overwhelmingly Democrat.

AMERICA WAS FOUNDED BY WASPS -- WHITE ANGLO-SAXON PROTESTANTS. THEY HAD NUCLEAR FAMILIES, ATTENDED CHURCH, AND BELIEVED IN THE PROTESTANT WORK ETHIC. Republicans are seen as believing in traditional American values.

Democrats campaign largely by badmouthing traditional American values, and convincing various demographic groups that they are outside the Republican base, and hence better off voting Democrat. So non-whites, non-Christians, and non-marrieds vote Democrat out of group identifications. That is, THEY SEE IT AS BEING IN THEIR GROUP INTERESTS TO TEAR DOWN TRADITIONAL AMERICAN CULTURE.

Democrats never persuade voters based on reason or logic. They gain voters by increasing government dependence and by promoting changes to immigration policy, family law, and schools THAT INCREASE THE POPULATION WANTING TO UNDERMINE AMERICANISM.

We used to have independent voters who decided elections by voting for who they thought were the better candidates. This election has convinced everyone that now elections are determined mainly by demographics.

There you have it, folks. President Obama got re-elected because all those American voters who are not Anglo-Saxon Protestants voted for him (and all those American voters who are not Anglo-Saxon Protestants, as we all know, want to destroy "traditional American culture") .




jlf1961 -> RE: Finally - An Explanation Why President Obama Was Re-elected (12/13/2012 9:43:36 AM)

Excuse me, but could you PLEASE provide direct and verifiable quotes where democrats have attacked American Values like religion?

I did a google search with the term "Democrat statements against American Values" and guess what, there are no examples, quotes or anything of the sort.

In fact, according to one survey done before the 2008 election, the following was said:

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WASHINGTON – In the run-up to the 2008 presidential election, the Barna Group released a report measuring Republicans and Democrats on Christian commitment.

The new survey, based on interviews with 1,003 adults in January 2007, found that the gap between the two political parties in terms of Christian commitment is not large, as many might assume. The most significant differences were found in the area of beliefs rather than behavior.


How Does the Faith of Republicans, Democrats Measure Up? Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/how-does-the-faith-of-republicans-democrats-measure-up-26175/#bLFFJFDJWDUPc2XM.99

Instead of spouting more right wing bullshit propaganda, why not try something different, the truth. Please show linked statements by democrats speaking out against American Values, Religion and anything else that supports your claim.

Then there was a study of the democratic party this year, you might reconsider some of your inflammatory statements.

Values

Unlimited government – 88 percent disagree that government controls too much of daily lives; 68 percent strongly agree there are goods and services which would not be available to ordinary people without government intervention, 88 percent say government regulation of business is necessary. 85 percent want a larger government with many services;
92 percent say there should be a high degree of separation between church and state;
58 percent disagree that people should take responsibility for their own lives and economic well-being.

Under religious demographics, the values breakdown is as follows:

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Values

54 percent agree government controls too much of daily lives, but 77 percent agree goods and services would be unavailable to ordinary people without government, 56 percent think government regulation of business is necessary, 81 percent think government should do everything possible to improve the standard of living of all Americans;
64 percent prefer larger government with many services;
Socially moderate/conservative – 77 percent agree on tolerance of other lifestyles, but 73 percent also agree Americans are too tolerant and accepting of behaviors that were considered wrong in the past. Split on gay marriage – 48 percent legal think it should be legal and 46 percent illegal;
61 percent think it’s important for organized religious groups to stand up for their beliefs in politics, 62 percent say government should take special steps to protect religious heritage;
BIG on equality – 76 percent strongly agree it’s a big problem that the country doesn’t give everyone an equal chance; 80 percent strongly agree there would be fewer problems in the country if people were treated more equally;
39 percent disagree that people who don’t get ahead have only themselves to blame.


The many faces of the Democratic Party




tazzygirl -> RE: Finally - An Explanation Why President Obama Was Re-elected (12/13/2012 10:07:51 AM)

~FR

Some interesting comparisons on divorce rates and state political leanings.

http://politicalirony.com/2009/06/28/the-party-of-family-values/

http://divorce.lovetoknow.com/Divorce_Statistics_Republicans_vs._Democrats

And this.. from 1999...

The Associated Press 12/30/99 1:31 AM Eastern

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) -- Baptists have the highest divorce rate of any
Christian denomination, and are more likely to get a divorce than
atheists and agnostics, according to a national survey.

The survey conducted by Barna Research Group in Ventura, Calif., found
that 29 percent of all adult Baptists have been through a divorce. Among
Christian groups, only those who attend non-denominational Protestant
churches were more likely to be divorced, with a 34 percent divorce rate.

Alabama, with a population of 4.3 million, has more than one million
Southern Baptists and a majority of evangelical Protestants. The state
ranks fourth nationally in divorce rates, behind Nevada, Tennessee and
Arkansas, according to U.S. government statistics.

Barna Research Group interviewed 3,854 adults from the 48 continental
states, with a margin of error of plus or minus 2 percent. The survey
found that while just 11 percent of the adult population is currently
divorced, 25 percent of all adults have experienced at least one divorce,
the survey showed.

Twenty seven percent of those describing themselves as born-again
Christians are currently or have previously been divorced, compared to 24
percent among other adults.

http://www.divorcereform.org/mel/rbaptisthigh.html

So, can we put aside the "family values" angle? Honestly, its getting old fast. We have no way of knowing, individually, which political party has a higher rate of cheating or divorces. This is just nonsense.





Fightdirecto -> RE: Finally - An Explanation Why President Obama Was Re-elected (12/13/2012 10:22:24 AM)

I posted this for two reasons.

A) it is mildly funny to realize that some people believe this crap to be true.

B) it is painfully sad to realize that some people believe this crap to be true.




RacerJim -> RE: Finally - An Explanation Why President Obama Was Re-elected (12/13/2012 10:41:16 AM)

The Marxist usurper was re-elected because he campaigned in the exact same way he did to get elected in the first place -- "If you have no record to run on, you paint your opponent as someone to run from."




Hillwilliam -> RE: Finally - An Explanation Why President Obama Was Re-elected (12/13/2012 10:52:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

The Marxist usurper was re-elected because he campaigned in the exact same way he did to get elected in the first place -- "If you have no record to run on, you paint your opponent as someone to run from."

You wouldn't know a marxist if it bit you on the ass.

The reason the Republican party LOST (Obama didn't win, the Republicans had it and LOST) is ignorant fucks spouting dumbass tinfoil inspiring, insane lies all over the place and scaring hell out of anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together.

They had the most ineffective president in generations to run against, a Billion dollars to spend, economy in the tank and they still managed to fucking LOSE.

As for painting your opponent as someone to run FROM, they did a damn good job of it themselves.

Which one were you pulling for?

1. Ignorant Bible Beater #1

2. Ignorant Bible Beater #2

3. Ignorant Bible Beater #3

4. The crazy old man

5. Mister Flip Floppy who is an Elder in a cult.




DomKen -> RE: Finally - An Explanation Why President Obama Was Re-elected (12/13/2012 12:04:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

The Marxist usurper was re-elected because he campaigned in the exact same way he did to get elected in the first place -- "If you have no record to run on, you paint your opponent as someone to run from."

OK, you've had your laugh now admit your entire posting history has been a parody of right wing lunacy.




tazzygirl -> RE: Finally - An Explanation Why President Obama Was Re-elected (12/13/2012 12:06:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

I posted this for two reasons.

A) it is mildly funny to realize that some people believe this crap to be true.

B) it is painfully sad to realize that some people believe this crap to be true.


It is extremely sad. But, if someone says they are running on family values... and then it comes out they are screwing around behind the wife's back... Im gonna question everything else they said.




jlf1961 -> RE: Finally - An Explanation Why President Obama Was Re-elected (12/13/2012 1:52:40 PM)

Okay, I will admit to the following.

1) I am liberal
2) I have voted democrat since I became a liberal during the era of Saint Ronald the actor.
3) I consider myself Christian and was raised and baptized Catholic.
4) I have a problem with anti-abortion laws on the point that the government does not have the right to say what you can and cannot do to your body, as for the act of abortion, I feel that it is wrong, so when all is said and done you could say I am pro life. I just believe in using murder, and bombings of abortion clinics to make my point.
5) I believe in the American values that one should earn their way if they are physically able, family is the most valuable thing you have, and of course life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, as long as none of those things interferes with the rights of the next person.

6) Mitt Romney, Fox news, and the loudly vocal conservatives DO NOT SPEAK ABOUT THE SAME VALUES I HAVE. They dont even speak for the same god I believe in. The idea that church belongs in politics is so wrong that I cannot begin to say the problems with it. We do not need a religious theocracy running the United States.

7) Mitt Romney is a cultist, not a Christian. I have a problem with a religion where only a select few get the word of god, that the physical relics that the religion is based on disappears, and the fact that the church has splintered so often that it is hard to know who is who.

By the way, Catholics DO NOT believe that the Pope speaks for god, for the most part NO main stream religion believes the head of their church speaks for god.




Moonhead -> RE: Finally - An Explanation Why President Obama Was Re-elected (12/13/2012 1:56:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
By the way, Catholics DO NOT believe that the Pope speaks for god, for the most part NO main stream religion believes the head of their church speaks for god.

People actually think the Mother church's line is that he does? That's a bit of a misprision. He's Christ's vicar, rather than having anything to do with the bloke's dad...




hlen5 -> RE: Finally - An Explanation Why President Obama Was Re-elected (12/13/2012 1:59:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

There have been many assessments as to why the majority of American voters chose to re-elect President Obama rather than elect Republican Mitt Romney, Libertarian Gary Johnson or one of the fringe party candidates. Here's the latest from the Eagle Forum's Roger Schafly:

Non-Christians voted overwhelmingly Democrat

quote:

NPR radio reports: .........................



Where on NPR did you get this exactly??




tazzygirl -> RE: Finally - An Explanation Why President Obama Was Re-elected (12/13/2012 1:59:40 PM)

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4) I have a problem with anti-abortion laws on the point that the government does not have the right to say what you can and cannot do to your body, as for the act of abortion, I feel that it is wrong, so when all is said and done you could say I am pro life. I just (?) believe in using murder, and bombings of abortion clinics to make my point.


I am so hoping you left out the "dont" part there.

I am pro-choice. The reasons are simple. Its her body, not mine. If she believes in an "afterlife" she is the one that has to stand before the pearly gates, or whatever, not me. And, since I dont believe in a judgement stand in the sky, its not my issue what happens to her soul.





tazzygirl -> RE: Finally - An Explanation Why President Obama Was Re-elected (12/13/2012 2:01:28 PM)

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/12/09/166753248/add-this-group-to-obamas-winning-coalition-religiously-unaffiliated




DomKen -> RE: Finally - An Explanation Why President Obama Was Re-elected (12/13/2012 2:06:47 PM)

Catholic dogma makes the issue a lot less clear. If the pope declares he is speaking ex cathedra all catholics are expected to assent to his proclomation. If the underlying basis for this isn't that he pope speaks for some supernatural entity I don't see the basis.




hlen5 -> RE: Finally - An Explanation Why President Obama Was Re-elected (12/13/2012 2:12:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/12/09/166753248/add-this-group-to-obamas-winning-coalition-religiously-unaffiliated



Thanks, Tazzy, I read the OP's quotes wrong.




jlf1961 -> RE: Finally - An Explanation Why President Obama Was Re-elected (12/13/2012 2:29:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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4) I have a problem with anti-abortion laws on the point that the government does not have the right to say what you can and cannot do to your body, as for the act of abortion, I feel that it is wrong, so when all is said and done you could say I am pro life. I just (?) believe in using murder, and bombings of abortion clinics to make my point.


I am so hoping you left out the "dont" part there.

I am pro-choice. The reasons are simple. Its her body, not mine. If she believes in an "afterlife" she is the one that has to stand before the pearly gates, or whatever, not me. And, since I dont believe in a judgement stand in the sky, its not my issue what happens to her soul.





Yes I left out the "dont" part. the most violence you could get me to do at one of those protests is throwing water balloons in January.




meatcleaver -> RE: Finally - An Explanation Why President Obama Was Re-elected (12/13/2012 2:31:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

The Marxist usurper was re-elected because he campaigned in the exact same way he did to get elected in the first place -- "If you have no record to run on, you paint your opponent as someone to run from."


You wouldn't know Marxism if it hit you in the face.




jlf1961 -> RE: Finally - An Explanation Why President Obama Was Re-elected (12/13/2012 2:52:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Catholic dogma makes the issue a lot less clear. If the pope declares he is speaking ex cathedra all catholics are expected to assent to his proclomation. If the underlying basis for this isn't that he pope speaks for some supernatural entity I don't see the basis.



The tradition has never been that the Pope speaks for god, it is expected that if he comes up with something drastic, he has had a divine inspiration to lead him to that point, for instance some of Pope Alexander VI declarations were later over turned by the church when it was revealed that they were made for secular not spiritual reasons.

You may know Alexander VI by his given name, Rodrigo Borgia.

The difference between Catholics and Mormons is the simple fact that the head of the church is called a prophet and gets messages direct from god.

And I am sorry, the last being on this planet that had a direct line to god was Jesus Christ. There have been numerous people since who have had visions of the divine, including the holy mother and others, but none of those that I can remember were more than a one time deal, with the exception of Joan of Arc, there might have been others, but as I said I am not a practicing Catholic, just raised in the church and have not been to mass in 8 years, and before that it was 12 years.




DomKen -> RE: Finally - An Explanation Why President Obama Was Re-elected (12/13/2012 3:38:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Catholic dogma makes the issue a lot less clear. If the pope declares he is speaking ex cathedra all catholics are expected to assent to his proclomation. If the underlying basis for this isn't that he pope speaks for some supernatural entity I don't see the basis.



The tradition has never been that the Pope speaks for god, it is expected that if he comes up with something drastic, he has had a divine inspiration to lead him to that point, for instance some of Pope Alexander VI declarations were later over turned by the church when it was revealed that they were made for secular not spiritual reasons.

You may know Alexander VI by his given name, Rodrigo Borgia.

The difference between Catholics and Mormons is the simple fact that the head of the church is called a prophet and gets messages direct from god.

And I am sorry, the last being on this planet that had a direct line to god was Jesus Christ. There have been numerous people since who have had visions of the divine, including the holy mother and others, but none of those that I can remember were more than a one time deal, with the exception of Joan of Arc, there might have been others, but as I said I am not a practicing Catholic, just raised in the church and have not been to mass in 8 years, and before that it was 12 years.

Strangely the only officially ex cathedra statement by any pope was in 1950 when the pope declared the bodily assumption of Mary into Heaven. I still don't see how that can be something a guy in 1950 to be smething all Catholics must accept unless he is claiming to be speaking for some supernatural entity.




PeonForHer -> RE: Finally - An Explanation Why President Obama Was Re-elected (12/13/2012 4:08:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
And I am sorry, the last being on this planet that had a direct line to god was Jesus Christ.


No, that was all just made up, JLF.




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