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GOP respose to President's budget proposal - 12/3/2012 8:46:41 PM   
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Tensions over the so-called fiscal cliff reached a boiling point today as House Speaker John Boehner accused President Obama of acting like he won the November election.

As he had late last week, GOP House Speaker John Boehner dismissed the administration’s offer as “a non-serious proposal” for including too little in spending cuts and too much in additional stimulus measures, and for letting the top income-tax rates rise, which Mr. Boehner said would hurt some small businesses. On television, he recounted his reaction to Mr. Geithner at the meeting last week.

“I was flabbergasted. I looked at him and said, ‘You can’t be serious,’ ” Mr. Boehner said. “I’ve just never seen anything like it. You know we’ve got seven weeks between Election Day and the end of the year, and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense.”

“Our message is clear: Mr. President, we are ready to negotiate with you,” Mr. Boehner told reporters. “But this nonsense of acting like you won the election has got to stop.

Lashing out at Mr. Obama’s “delusional arrogance,” Mr. Boehner added, “I don’t know what planet he thinks he won an election on, but this whole ‘the American people elected me’ act is getting a little old.”

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell echoed Mr. Boehner’s sentiments, stating, “The President’s budget proposal sounds like the ravings of a man who thinks he won fifty-one per cent of the popular vote and three hundred and thirty-two electoral votes. When he decides it’s finally time to return to Realityville, he knows where to find us.”

Sen. McConnell denied earlier reports that he “burst out laughing” when he heard Mr. Obama’s latest budget proposal, telling reporters, “Actually, it would be more accurate to say I peed myself.”

“That business about raising taxes on the rich was - pardon my French - freaking hilarious,” Sen. McConnell said. “I’m glad that losing the election hasn’t made the President lose his sense of humor.”


Part of the above can be found at New York Times and part at The New Yorker

Can you tell, without clicking the links, which is the New York Times news report and which is the New Yorker's Andy Borowitz's political satire?

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RE: GOP respose to President's budget proposal - 12/3/2012 8:50:07 PM   
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President Obama did NOT win the election?

May I ask just what the good senate minority leader and speaker of the house have been smoking, injecting and or drinking since August?

Lets see, Obama got 50.81 percent of the popular vote compared to Romney's 47.48%. That is a 3.33% which is higher than both the 2000 and 2004 margins for Bush.

Oh well, Republicans have never been known to believe the facts.

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RE: GOP respose to President's budget proposal - 12/3/2012 8:58:36 PM   
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Well, this about sums up what the next four years will be like.

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RE: GOP respose to President's budget proposal - 12/4/2012 7:34:38 AM   
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President Obama did NOT win the election?

May I ask just what the good senate minority leader and speaker of the house have been smoking, injecting and or drinking since August?

Lets see, Obama got 50.81 percent of the popular vote compared to Romney's 47.48%. That is a 3.33% which is higher than both the 2000 and 2004 margins for Bush.

Oh well, Republicans have never been known to believe the facts.



Actually, if you want to be technical, he hasn't won YET . The popular vote is meaningless in the grand scheme of things and the Electoral College, which actually votes for the President, hasn't met YET.

Each state's electors meet on the Monday following the second Wednesday of December (aka, this year they will meet on December 17). They cast their votes then, and those votes are sent to the President of the Senate who reads them before both houses of Congress on January 6th.

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RE: GOP respose to President's budget proposal - 12/4/2012 7:38:25 AM   
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Keep dreaming.

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RE: GOP respose to President's budget proposal - 12/4/2012 9:15:31 AM   
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Keep dreaming.


Dreaming? It hasn't happened yet, has it? There was no allusion to a different result from the popular vote, so what was she dreaming about? Following the rules?!?


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RE: GOP respose to President's budget proposal - 12/4/2012 9:54:55 AM   
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They call it his latest proposal, Yet this has been the same thing he has discussed for over the past 6 months.. Why the fake surprise from the GOP???

Obama’s proposal — which includes $1.6 trillion in increased taxes on the rich over the next decade, $400 billion in savings in Medicare and other social programs, $50 billion in stimulus spending to begin next year, and an end to current debt ceiling rules — is not new or radical: it reflects the very same same policies Obama advanced for years and promoted extensively on the campaign trail.

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RE: GOP respose to President's budget proposal - 12/4/2012 9:56:13 AM   
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Shows how clever Andy Borowitz's satire is. The part about Bohener saying Obama didn't win the election was from his satire piece, not from the news article - but some of you assumed it was factual. Says a lot about how much you believe in the mental capacity of the Speaker.

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RE: GOP respose to President's budget proposal - 12/4/2012 9:57:29 AM   
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President Obama did NOT win the election?

May I ask just what the good senate minority leader and speaker of the house have been smoking, injecting and or drinking since August?

Lets see, Obama got 50.81 percent of the popular vote compared to Romney's 47.48%. That is a 3.33% which is higher than both the 2000 and 2004 margins for Bush.

Oh well, Republicans have never been known to believe the facts.


pResident Obama/Soetoro may well have won the election but that doesn't make him Dictator.

Oh well, Democraps have never been known to see, much less accept, the facts.

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RE: GOP respose to President's budget proposal - 12/4/2012 9:58:19 AM   
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RE: GOP respose to President's budget proposal - 12/4/2012 9:59:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

President Obama did NOT win the election?

May I ask just what the good senate minority leader and speaker of the house have been smoking, injecting and or drinking since August?

Lets see, Obama got 50.81 percent of the popular vote compared to Romney's 47.48%. That is a 3.33% which is higher than both the 2000 and 2004 margins for Bush.

Oh well, Republicans have never been known to believe the facts.


pResident Obama/Soetoro may well have won the election but that doesn't make him Dictator.

Oh well, Democraps have never been known to see, much less accept, the facts.



Wait... did Obama win the fucking election or not?

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RE: GOP respose to President's budget proposal - 12/4/2012 10:09:26 AM   
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They call it his latest proposal, Yet this has been the same thing he has discussed for over the past 6 months.. Why the fake surprise from the GOP???

Obama’s proposal — which includes $1.6 trillion in increased taxes on the rich over the next decade, $400 billion in savings in Medicare and other social programs, $50 billion in stimulus spending to begin next year, and an end to current debt ceiling rules — is not new or radical: it reflects the very same same policies Obama advanced for years and promoted extensively on the campaign trail.


Specifically when has Obama previously publically proposed changing the debt ceiling rules such that the POTUS can unilaterally raise the debt ceiling, thus disenfranchising Congress from its Constitutional authority? No matter when he proposed that, if that's not radical I don't know what is. Then again, Obama has already disenfranchised Congress from its Constitutional authority regarding other issues, so that is not new.

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RE: GOP respose to President's budget proposal - 12/4/2012 10:12:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: crazyml


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ORIGINAL: RacerJim


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President Obama did NOT win the election?

May I ask just what the good senate minority leader and speaker of the house have been smoking, injecting and or drinking since August?

Lets see, Obama got 50.81 percent of the popular vote compared to Romney's 47.48%. That is a 3.33% which is higher than both the 2000 and 2004 margins for Bush.

Oh well, Republicans have never been known to believe the facts.


pResident Obama/Soetoro may well have won the election but that doesn't make him Dictator.

Oh well, Democraps have never been known to see, much less accept, the facts.



Wait... did Obama win the fucking election or not?

Wait... did you pass reading comprehension or not?

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RE: GOP respose to President's budget proposal - 12/4/2012 10:21:06 AM   
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Typical Republican Bullshit.

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RE: GOP respose to President's budget proposal - 12/4/2012 1:13:14 PM   
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Boehner is now taking shots from his own party...."Speaker Boehner's $800 billion tax hike will destroy American jobs and allow politicians in Washington to spend even more, while not reducing our $16 trillion debt by a single penny," Republican Sen. Jim DeMint said Tuesday in a statement....Ah, love that STRONG republican leadership that Boehner is such an example of!...

Buch of inbred morons, who do not care if the country suffers, only if they stay true to their unquestioned leader, King Grover...

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RE: GOP respose to President's budget proposal - 12/4/2012 1:28:50 PM   
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I really do not get the whole Grover thing. hell even he admits that the whole no tax thing was something he thought of while in High School, why the GOP continues to believe you can run anything with never raising revenue is nuts.

And I know facts are meaningless to people, but if you look at facts such as job growth it was always higher with a higher tax rate on the top 1% Well at least for the last 60 years



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RE: GOP respose to President's budget proposal - 12/4/2012 1:38:08 PM   
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Keep dreaming.


Dreaming? It hasn't happened yet, has it? There was no allusion to a different result from the popular vote, so what was she dreaming about? Following the rules?!?



Well.. lets see.... these states are under no legal requirements to cast their electoral votes to the majority winner...

No Legal Requirement
Electors in these States are not bound by State Law to cast their vote for a specific candidate:

ARIZONA
ARKANSAS
DELAWARE 3
GEORGIA
IDAHO
ILLINOIS 20
INDIANA
IOWA 6
KANSAS
KENTUCKY
LOUISIANA
MINNESOTA 10

MISSOURI
NEW HAMPSHIRE 4
NEW JERSEY 14
NEW YORK 29
NORTH DAKOTA
PENNSYLVANIA
RHODE ISLAND
SOUTH DAKOTA
TENNESSEE
TEXAS
UTAH
WEST VIRGINIA

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/electors.html#restrictions

Those with a number beside them, Obama won as a majority.

Now, considering it would require 64.... yes... 64... would have to vote against the majority in their state.

The numbers are there. The probability isnt.

As of the 2008 presidential election, there has been only one occasion when faithless electors prevented an expected winner from winning the electoral college vote: in December 1836, twenty-three faithless electors prevented Richard Mentor Johnson, the expected candidate, from winning the Vice Presidency. However, Johnson was promptly elected Vice President by the U.S. Senate in February 1837; therefore, faithless electors have never changed the expected final outcome of the entire election process.

He is the next President.

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RE: GOP respose to President's budget proposal - 12/4/2012 2:50:05 PM   
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They call it his latest proposal, Yet this has been the same thing he has discussed for over the past 6 months.. Why the fake surprise from the GOP???

Obama’s proposal — which includes $1.6 trillion in increased taxes on the rich over the next decade, $400 billion in savings in Medicare and other social programs, $50 billion in stimulus spending to begin next year, and an end to current debt ceiling rules — is not new or radical: it reflects the very same same policies Obama advanced for years and promoted extensively on the campaign trail.


Specifically when has Obama previously publically proposed changing the debt ceiling rules such that the POTUS can unilaterally raise the debt ceiling, thus disenfranchising Congress from its Constitutional authority? No matter when he proposed that, if that's not radical I don't know what is. Then again, Obama has already disenfranchised Congress from its Constitutional authority regarding other issues, so that is not new.

The debt ceiling vote is a stupid recurring thing. Congress passes spending bills and budgets that require borrowing beyond the statutory limit and then have to seperately vote to raise the limit. It is duplicated effort and arguably not even actually required. Congress authorizes the amount to be spent which effectively means they authorize a level of borrowing that corresponds to that.

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RE: GOP respose to President's budget proposal - 12/5/2012 10:42:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Keep dreaming.

Dreaming? It hasn't happened yet, has it? There was no allusion to a different result from the popular vote, so what was she dreaming about? Following the rules?!?

Well.. lets see.... these states are under no legal requirements to cast their electoral votes to the majority winner...
No Legal Requirement
Electors in these States are not bound by State Law to cast their vote for a specific candidate:
ARIZONA
ARKANSAS
DELAWARE 3
GEORGIA
IDAHO
ILLINOIS 20
INDIANA
IOWA 6
KANSAS
KENTUCKY
LOUISIANA
MINNESOTA 10
MISSOURI
NEW HAMPSHIRE 4
NEW JERSEY 14
NEW YORK 29
NORTH DAKOTA
PENNSYLVANIA
RHODE ISLAND
SOUTH DAKOTA
TENNESSEE
TEXAS
UTAH
WEST VIRGINIA
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/electors.html#restrictions
Those with a number beside them, Obama won as a majority.
Now, considering it would require 64.... yes... 64... would have to vote against the majority in their state.
The numbers are there. The probability isnt.
As of the 2008 presidential election, there has been only one occasion when faithless electors prevented an expected winner from winning the electoral college vote: in December 1836, twenty-three faithless electors prevented Richard Mentor Johnson, the expected candidate, from winning the Vice Presidency. However, Johnson was promptly elected Vice President by the U.S. Senate in February 1837; therefore, faithless electors have never changed the expected final outcome of the entire election process.
He is the next President.


And, what was said, was that technically he hasn't won YET (and, searching4mysir even all-cap'ed YET, most likely implying that it is going to happen). Since the Electoral College elector's have yet to have their votes tallied according to the rules, Obama is not the next President of the US. At no point did searching imply that he might not be the next one, only that, according to the rules, he hasn't won it yet.

And, as likely or unlikely the odds of enough electors to vote against their State's voters, the fact that it hasn't happened yet stills means that it hasn't happened yet. If the next bus stops at your bust stop at 5:10 pm, it's only 5:05 pm, and you have confirmed that the bus is, in fact, on it's way to your stop, does that mean the bus has already stopped at your bus stop?

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RE: GOP respose to President's budget proposal - 12/5/2012 11:00:24 AM   
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And still hasnt got a fucking thing to do with the GOPs response to a budget proposal.



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