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ServosCor -> RE: The Obligatory Santa Thread (12/1/2012 9:31:59 PM)

LOVE Dark Steven's thought on this question.  The happiest Christmas's in my life were the ones where I was Santa!  :) 

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Duskypearls -> RE: The Obligatory Santa Thread (12/1/2012 9:35:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cordeliasub

At a church I once went to a lady pointed out that when you rearrange the letters, Santa spells Satan....

So apparently Santa is the devil and wants to suck out your brains and make you his ho ho ho

(gotta love fundies)


And I've heard that Santa and his red suit with white trim alludes to "tripping" on red amanita mushrooms, and that reindeer actually love eating amanitas.


The idea that Amanita muscaria led to the modern story of Santa Claus and his reindeer is based on the fact that the mushroom is hallucinogenic, that it is red with white spots, that it is associated with pine trees, that Laplanders and reindeer like to get “high” on it, and that Siberian shamans used it for recreational and religious purposes: “The ancient Shamans of Siberia would go to the houses of the people in the community on the winter solstice and bring to them the Amanita muscaria mushroom…it was their tradition. The Shaman, dressing in the colors of the mushroom (red with white trim) and carrying a huge bag full of mushrooms that he had picked and dried during the previous season (enough for the entire community), would go door to door and give to the community the mushroom experience. If the main doors to the houses were snowed over (which they often were during the winter time), the Shaman would enter the houses through the secondary entrance, which just happens to be the smoke-hole in the roof or the chimney. And because these Amanita muscaria mushrooms are often dried before ceremonial consumption (allowing the shaman to consume more), traditions of drying the mushrooms also came about. Even to this day, it is a common practice for people to stack their mushrooms in socks and hang them over the fireplace overnight to dry them out” (source).

“The Shaman, Amanita muscaria mushrooms, pine trees, reindeer, Saint Nicholas, Santa's bag of goodies, the fireplace entrance and exit, Santa's colors, the mysterious gifts under the tree, and stocking stuffers are all neatly interconnected and they are all indigenous to Siberia, Russia and the Shamanic traditions that originated there” (Ibid.). “The ethnobotanist Jonathan Ott has suggested that the idea of Santa Claus and tradition of hanging stockings over the fireplace is based centrally upon the fly agaric mushroom itself. With its generally red and white color scheme, he argues that Santa Claus's suit is related to the mushroom. He also draws parallels with flying reindeer: reindeer had been reported to consume the mushroom and prance around in an intoxicated manner afterwards” (Wikipedia: Ibid.).

http://www.geog.ucsb.edu/events/department-news/968/is-santa-the-personification-of-a-psychedelic-mushroom/

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littlewonder -> RE: The Obligatory Santa Thread (12/1/2012 9:45:30 PM)

Actually the red is the original color the robes of St. Nicholas, the Bishop of Myra in the 4th Century. The Orthodox robes were red to represent the blood shed by Christ.

The flying reindeer were actually created by Clement Clarke Moore, in New York City in 1822. Until up to that point, reindeer and Santa did not fly.




Duskypearls -> RE: The Obligatory Santa Thread (12/1/2012 10:13:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Actually the red is the original color the robes of St. Nicholas, the Bishop of Myra in the 4th Century. The Orthodox robes were red to represent the blood shed by Christ.

The flying reindeer were actually created by Clement Clarke Moore, in New York City in 1822. Until up to that point, reindeer and Santa did not fly.



No kidding? Fascinating!




metamorfosis -> RE: The Obligatory Santa Thread (12/2/2012 12:21:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
There are three stages of Santa.


Santa sounds a little like cancer. That's a bit disconcerting.

Pam




TNDommeK -> RE: The Obligatory Santa Thread (12/2/2012 1:00:48 AM)

I just want a whole lot of presents!!!




blacksword404 -> RE: The Obligatory Santa Thread (12/2/2012 1:19:48 AM)

Everybody has this idea of jolly santa. Big belly from cookies and milk. But in reality that's just a fat suit. In reality Santa stands at about 6'3 235 with 23.5 inch arms. Now for the kiddies if they are bad they get a lump of coal. Or maybe just a cheap gift. But for parents that make his naughty list?

Well he's quick to put those naughty ladies over his knee. Santa dont need any paddle. And the men get to wrestle Santa. That's right, Santa gonna show you how he does a power bomb. Ooooooh yeaaaaaaaaaaah.

Moral of the story? Mind your damn manners cuz Santa has 23 inch guns and he doesn't do consensual.




needlesandpins -> RE: The Obligatory Santa Thread (12/2/2012 1:55:47 AM)

for most people santa has nothing to do with christianity just as christmas has nothing to do with jesus......no matter how much some say it should...or want it to be.

for most it's all about family, friends, and presents.

on reflection i'd say santa is advertising.

needles




PeonForHer -> RE: The Obligatory Santa Thread (12/2/2012 4:55:50 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

for most people santa has nothing to do with christianity just as christmas has nothing to do with jesus......no matter how much some say it should...or want it to be.

for most it's all about family, friends, and presents.

on reflection i'd say santa is advertising.

needles



I think it likely that a lot a traditions, from various parts of the world and various periods in history, could 'coalesce' to form the festivity we have today. I suspect the 'prime movers' of the tradition of Christmas are, firstly, the desire to gather have a fun celebration in the middle of the dark and cold period of winter and,secondly, the desire to give and receive presents.

More recently, of course, it's become a necessity for capitalist economies: the spirit of Christmas is a spirit of buying and consuming. I do wonder if that particular part of the Christmas tradition will last, though. Producers and retailers have pushed it with such increasing desperation that it'll end up looking too tacky for too many people.




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