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Oliver Stone vs The Daily Beast - 11/22/2012 7:45:32 AM   
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/21/oliver-stone-defends-his-the-untold-history-of-the-united-states.html

Just curious if anyone has read Stone's book. I think he's a talented film director, but I've also heard him referred to as a conspiracy nut, and a left wing version of Donald Trump.

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RE: Oliver Stone vs The Daily Beast - 11/22/2012 8:03:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I enjoy a lot of Stone's films, Level (Natural Born Killers is too much fun), but I ignore his politics.

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RE: Oliver Stone vs The Daily Beast - 11/23/2012 8:22:58 AM   
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RE: Oliver Stone vs The Daily Beast - 11/23/2012 8:28:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Coulter is so scrawny, Stone might have bigger knockers!

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RE: Oliver Stone vs The Daily Beast - 11/23/2012 8:36:22 AM   
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Bat shit crazy.

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RE: Oliver Stone vs The Daily Beast - 11/23/2012 8:58:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Level, I just read that review and its a rather bad hatchet job. I am not saying Stones book is good, never read it.

Many of the objections are more about his conclusions rather than his facts. Or they play fast and loose with timelines.

A big problem for me was the excerpt on the second page mocking a connection between bush and the nazis. Prescot bush was doing business with them. IBM even signed contracts with them during the wae.

Stones book may not be perfect but his view of our history has validity. We are not the angels many blindly think we are. Just as we are far more noble than some give us credit for.

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RE: Oliver Stone vs The Daily Beast - 11/23/2012 10:42:26 AM   
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Stones book may not be perfect but his view of our history has validity. We are not the angels many blindly think we are. Just as we are far more noble than some give us credit for. 



Well said, Micheal.

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RE: Oliver Stone vs The Daily Beast - 11/23/2012 11:03:47 AM   
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Good director.

Bat shit crazy.

Not sure the first is still true. What was the last film he did that was worth a shit?

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RE: Oliver Stone vs The Daily Beast - 11/23/2012 11:06:36 AM   
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Good director.

Bat shit crazy.

Not sure the first is still true. What was the last film he did that was worth a shit?

Midnight Express, Scarface, Born on the 4th of July.

ETA I liked The Doors as well.

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RE: Oliver Stone vs The Daily Beast - 11/23/2012 11:08:44 AM   
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(And you're forgetting Conan The Barbarian, if you're going back that far, btw.)

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RE: Oliver Stone vs The Daily Beast - 11/23/2012 11:22:43 AM   
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Savages was decent, from this year.

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RE: Oliver Stone vs The Daily Beast - 11/23/2012 11:23:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Born on the 4th of July, Hill? Wow. I have that one solidly in his stinker column, but I agree about The Doors.

Moon, I went into Savages with expectations of a grand action flick, only to find smaller crime movie. In that aspect, I was disappointed. Taken for what it was though, it was pretty damn good, and a nice portrayal of a many faceted and complex issue.

Summer of 2012 recent enough for you?

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RE: Oliver Stone vs The Daily Beast - 11/23/2012 11:23:21 AM   
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So nothing this side of the early '90s, never mind the turn of the millennium, then.

(And you're forgetting Conan The Barbarian, if you're going back that far, btw.)

Funny you should mention that one. When I was in grad school, the people in the weight room called me "Conan the Librarian"

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RE: Oliver Stone vs The Daily Beast - 11/23/2012 11:27:56 AM   
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Summer of 2012 recent enough for you?

Haven't seen that one.
To be honest, I lost interest after The (Shitawful) Wild Palms...

(Mind you, I quite enjoyed U Turn, which it seems no bastard else did...)

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RE: Oliver Stone vs The Daily Beast - 11/23/2012 11:28:24 AM   
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Rich, I liked Born on the Fourth of July too, and The Doors.


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