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New Star Wars films


can't wait!
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hate the idea
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do not care, not even a little bit
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I just hope they bring back that nice Captain Picard
  24% (8)
I gotta go check out something at the back of the house
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RE: New Star Wars films - 11/18/2012 6:46:28 PM   
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My take on Star Wars (YMMV):

Episodes 4, 5, and 6: Campy, amusing, entertaining for what they are - 70's and 80's era Sci-Fi. Story was okay, but nothing spectacular.
Episode 1: Eh, okay...not that great, but fun to see some updated CGI.
Episode 2: *snore* Eh...what? What happened? I fell asl...*snore*
Episode 3: Wait...there was an Episode 3?

Episodes 7, 8, & 9: Really, George Lucas? Hang it up, already!

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RE: New Star Wars films - 11/19/2012 4:58:33 AM   
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1982: First completely computer-generated sequence (the "Genesis sequence" in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan)

Wasn't most of Tron (which came out before that Trekkie flick, even if only by a month or two) computer generated?

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RE: New Star Wars films - 11/19/2012 10:31:38 AM   
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Here's what Wiki says about Tron (I'm not an expert on this stuff by any means - just a huge Lucas fan from a special effects perspective):

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Tron was one of the first movies to make extensive use of any form of computer animation, and is celebrated as a milestone in the industry; but only fifteen to twenty minutes of such animation were used,[8] mostly scenes that show digital "terrain" or patterns or include vehicles such as light-cycles, tanks and ships. Because the technology to combine computer animation and live action did not exist at the time, these sequences were interspersed with the filmed characters. The computer used had only 2MB of memory, with a disc that had no more than 330MB of storage. This put a limit on detail of background; and at a certain distance, they had a procedure of mixing in black to fade things out, a process called "depth cueing". The movie's Computer Effects Supervisor Richard Taylor told them "When in doubt, black it out!", which became their motto.[9]
Most of the scenes, backgrounds, and visual effects in the film were created using more traditional techniques and a unique process known as "backlit animation".[4] In this process, live-action scenes inside the computer world were filmed in black-and-white on an entirely black set, printed on large format Kodalith high-contrast film, then colored with photographic and rotoscopic techniques to give them a "technological" appearance.[6] With multiple layers of high-contrast, large format positives and negatives, this process required truckloads of sheet film and a workload even greater than that of a conventional cel-animated feature


Which sounds to me different from a technical standpoint (?)



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RE: New Star Wars films - 11/19/2012 10:44:53 AM   
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Not really. There were at least a couple of scenes in Tron that were all CGI before the lightshow in The Wrath Of Khaaaaan!, even if most of it was a mix of CSO, traditional animation and computer generated objects. I think somebody might be ignoring that fact to try to make Lucas' (or, more pedantically, ILM's) record sound a bit more impressive than it deserves, which is ridiculous when you look at some of the other stuff on the list that really is inarguable.
(That said, I always find it incredibly hard not to pick flaws with a lot of the more grandiose claims that have been made by or for Lucas over the years, so I could be taking a harsher line to that than is entirely fair.)

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RE: New Star Wars films - 11/19/2012 11:19:48 AM   
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It could be similar technology, but nonetheless, whoever did Tron did not go on to build an entire business off of the CGI aspects of that film. It really is ILM, Skywalker Sound, Pixar, etc. that have completely transformed the way almost all movies are made today. I may, or may not be a fan of Steve Jobs, but Apple and what it has done to the personal electronics landscape is undeniable. In the same way, I feel like Lucas and the group of people he started working with closely in the 70s went on to change the technology of the movies in a really dramatic way.

I, personally, don't like the fact that movies today have become so much about big action-packed CGI driven movies rather than telling smaller stories artistically. This is the downside of CGI. But it has been a huge shift in how movies are made that has enabled a whole different kind of storytelling.

I still prefer 35mm film, even for my camera. But try finding anyone to process that anymore (that isn't going to gouge you for it). We've lost a lot and gained a lot from digital/CGI.....

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RE: New Star Wars films - 11/19/2012 1:15:11 PM   
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It could be similar technology, but nonetheless, whoever did Tron did not go on to build an entire business off of the CGI aspects of that film.

It was the mouse, iirc. And they haven't needed to build a business out of that so much as buy out other people's business based on that. That's what this whole thread is about, isn't it?

(And for the two or three scenes that were all CGI, rather than a mix of conventional animation, cgi objects and cso, I'd have said it looks like an identical technology...)

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RE: New Star Wars films - 11/19/2012 2:14:35 PM   
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quote:

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1988: Integrating 2D animated characters with live-action footage in Who Framed Roger Rabbit


Ummm. . . Mary Poppins did that.  When they jumped into the chalk picture. 

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RE: New Star Wars films - 11/19/2012 2:34:07 PM   
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Ah... Aren't we forgetting the 'laser light show' in '2001 A Space Odyssey'? I don't recall dates exactly, but it seems like that came out before Star Wars, so it likely was one of the first modern effect scenes.

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RE: New Star Wars films - 11/19/2012 3:20:04 PM   
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Are you looking forward to them, or do you think it's a bad idea?

It is a bad idea. Star Wars movies are boring as the contents are already known:

1. Boy meets girl
2. Race with gliders
3. Battle in space
4. Battle with light sabers

5. Repeats of 1-4 in various order
6. Repeats of 1-4 in various order
7. Repeats of 1-4 in various order
8. End of movie

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RE: New Star Wars films - 11/20/2012 4:44:10 AM   
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You've left the swipes from Jack Kirby off your list.


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RE: New Star Wars films - 11/20/2012 7:11:16 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

quote:

ORIGINAL: Level
Are you looking forward to them, or do you think it's a bad idea?

It is a bad idea. Star Wars movies are boring as the contents are already known:

1. Boy meets girl
2. Race with gliders
3. Battle in space
4. Battle with light sabers

5. Repeats of 1-4 in various order
6. Repeats of 1-4 in various order
7. Repeats of 1-4 in various order
8. End of movie


All stories reduce down to one of around 30 or so plots. There is nothing new under the sun.

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RE: New Star Wars films - 11/20/2012 7:46:35 AM   
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My biggest fear is that now that disney has bought lucas films what are they going to do with it to the stories the characters the entire history I happen to be a fan of the series and have read the original books as well as several of the offshoots is series like xwing and the new jedi the point is the story didnt end with the deaths of vader and palpatine there were entire fleets of emperial ships all over the known galaxy that continued to hunt down the rebel alliance as well as the rebuilding of the jedi order I for one am looking forward to more but with a lil apprehension because its now in disneys hands

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RE: New Star Wars films - 11/20/2012 10:18:16 AM   
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The closest that I could get on the options was didn't care. I probably had more interest in the South Park episode that Rich mentioned that was on last week.

I think I'd have more interest in "The Hobbit" which is a logical business venture after TLotR trilogy was so successful. Sure, the cost of which was probably ridiculous to make, but you're probably looking at a guarantee slam dunk at the box office.

I'm not huge on remakes. I even had a little twinge of sad to see that "Red Dawn" was being cycled through again. However, looking at the special effects, it may be a case of the movie actually being improved.


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RE: New Star Wars films - 11/20/2012 10:44:20 AM   
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Red Dawn. Is that the one where the commies invade the USA?
 

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RE: New Star Wars films - 11/20/2012 10:52:57 AM   
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Yes, Nine. Patrick Swayze was in the first version.


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RE: New Star Wars films - 11/20/2012 10:54:47 AM   
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Sorry but I thought that was a comedy the 1st time I saw it Lady P. Hope the remake isn't as irony free.

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RE: New Star Wars films - 11/20/2012 10:55:44 AM   
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This time, they are blowing things up.


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RE: New Star Wars films - 11/20/2012 10:56:40 AM   
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Oh coolies lady P. Who's invading this time?

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RE: New Star Wars films - 11/20/2012 11:32:12 AM   
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North Koreans...LOL!

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RE: New Star Wars films - 11/20/2012 11:45:37 AM   
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PMSL Otter.

No really, who is it this time?

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