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Hopi Elder's Statement - 11/10/2012 8:46:48 AM   
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I believe this is exactly where we are now. How about you?

HOPI ELDERS STATEMENT

"You have been telling people that this is the eleventh hour.

Now you must go back and tell people that this is the hour!
And there are things to be considered:
Where are you living?
What are you doing?
What are your relationships?
Are you in right relation?
Where is your water?
Know your Garden.
It is time to speak your truth.
Create your community.
Be good to yourself.
And not look outside of yourself for a leader.
This could be a good time!
There is a river flowing very fast.
It is so great and fast that there are those who will be afraid.


They will hold on to the shore.
They will feel that they are being torn apart, and they will suffer greatly.
Know that the river has its destination.
The elders say that we must let go of the shore,
push off into the middle of the river,
keep our eyes open,
and our heads above the water.
See who is in there with you and celebrate.
At this time we are to take nothing personally,
least of all, ourselves.
For the moment that we do,
our spiritual growth comes to a halt.
The time of the lone wolf is over.
Gather yourselves!
Banish the word struggle from your attitude and your vocabulary.
All that we do now must be done in a sacred manner and in celebration.
We are the ones that we have been waiting for."

- The Elders, Oraibi, Arizona Hopi
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RE: Hopi Elder's Statement - 11/10/2012 8:50:36 AM   
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Not everyone wants to go where the river takes them, Duskypearls.

For some, it is indeed better to perish than to end up where the river is currently headed.

For others, those can be words of wisdom, indeed.

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RE: Hopi Elder's Statement - 11/10/2012 8:55:20 AM   
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Well said, Aswad.  I couldn't agree more.

(dammit, will you get outta my head?  at least until we get baseball bats LOL)

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RE: Hopi Elder's Statement - 11/10/2012 8:56:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aswad

Not everyone wants to go where the river takes them, Duskypearls.

For some, it is indeed better to perish than to end up where the river is currently headed.

For others, those can be words of wisdom, indeed.

IWYW,
— Aswad.



Very true, A, and that will be right for them, and all that is.

I, myself, am trying hard to let go, and go with the flow. I will not lie and say it is easy for me. I do not yet know if I will be one to successfully float to new destinations, or perish. At this point it feels like a crap shoot!

These certainly are interesting times.

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RE: Hopi Elder's Statement - 11/10/2012 9:32:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

(dammit, will you get outta my head?  at least until we get baseball bats LOL)


No can do. It's too cozy in here. Hope you don't mind if I redecorate a bit.

IWYW,
— Aswad.


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RE: Hopi Elder's Statement - 11/10/2012 9:47:11 AM   
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It's supposed to feel like a crap shoot, as far as I can tell.

Interesting times are what I was born for, Duskypearls.

I've always known I won't die in bed of old age. For me, a pool of blood in terror and agony is a more likely prospect, with few regrets beyond things left undone and people left behind. It is what it is. Had I been born centuries earlier, I would've left my bootprints on the British Isles and the coast of Normandy, I figure.

This world, or what it's becoming, is not for me.

Norway least of all places these days, which is sad, as this is where my heart is at: the land of my forebears, the Blight, which they made their home against all odds. Or, more precisely, Western Norway, which still remembers some of its history and roots, but is forgetting under the encroaching, corrputing influence of Eastern Norway.

A Brave New World is a more evocative image of Hell than anything Dante could conceive of.

Come to think of it, so are all utopias I've heard of.

IWYW,
— Aswad.


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RE: Hopi Elder's Statement - 11/10/2012 9:49:11 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aswad

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

(dammit, will you get outta my head?  at least until we get baseball bats LOL)


No can do. It's too cozy in here. Hope you don't mind if I redecorate a bit.

IWYW,
— Aswad.



Sure!  But lets stay away from pastel colours, ok?

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RE: Hopi Elder's Statement - 11/10/2012 9:54:55 AM   
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No pastels, agreed.

IWYW,
— Aswad.


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From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
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RE: Hopi Elder's Statement - 11/10/2012 9:56:43 AM   
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sweeeeeeeeeet :)

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RE: Hopi Elder's Statement - 11/10/2012 10:18:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aswad

It's supposed to feel like a crap shoot, as far as I can tell.

Interesting times are what I was born for, Duskypearls.

I've always known I won't die in bed of old age. For me, a pool of blood in terror and agony is a more likely prospect, with few regrets beyond things left undone and people left behind. It is what it is. Had I been born centuries earlier, I would've left my bootprints on the British Isles and the coast of Normandy, I figure.

This world, or what it's becoming, is not for me.

Norway least of all places these days, which is sad, as this is where my heart is at: the land of my forebears, the Blight, which they made their home against all odds. Or, more precisely, Western Norway, which still remembers some of its history and roots, but is forgetting under the encroaching, corrputing influence of Eastern Norway.

A Brave New World is a more evocative image of Hell than anything Dante could conceive of.

Come to think of it, so are all utopias I've heard of.

IWYW,
— Aswad.



Wow, to this entire post, A. In terms of what I've bolded, in the last week or two, I feel as tho' I'm no longer completely "here," on the planet, as it were. Much is changing; vision/energy (diminished), pain levels (greatly increased), passage of time (speeding up and slowing down), perception/interpretatiion shifts, ability or willingness to care for or help others (greatly decreased) who are not already light or moving towards the light, much more sleep is required and has finally come to me, after lacking it for 37 years, dreams are coming fast and furiously almost from the moment my eyes close till the moment I wake (also after 37 years of their absence).

It's almost like I am partially in another dimension. That which mattered before, no longer matters. It seems I have little to spare. Perhaps it is pendulum finally finding middle ground. I used to over care/over feel for far too many. Now I undercare for most. I feel it is protecting me, and feel no guilt about it.

I sense people are being deeply changed whether they know it or not, towards either the light or the dark. I sense many are being put to sleep, or are more disconnected and are becoming more dangerous.

I know not what it all means, whether it is good or bad, or what the final outcome will be for me, or the grand scheme of things. All I know is I'm doing my level best to ride out this bronc. I only wish this was all happening when I was younger, stronger, more resilient, as surely I'd feel less vulnerable. I feel there is nothing solid beneath my feet, and all I can do is hope and pray I will know what I need to know, when I need to know it. Truth be told, I feel dismally unprepared.



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RE: Hopi Elder's Statement - 11/10/2012 10:36:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aswad
This world, or what it's becoming, is not for me.

The world is what you make it, Aswad.

Are you a mover or are you someone being moved by other people?

I think that you can join the secret groups that have been pulling the strings of the world these past couple of centuries - even for millennia they claim themselves.

Or alternatively you can set up your own organization.


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"You are sweet, kind, and ever so smart, Rule. You ALWAYS stretch my mind and make me think further than I might have on my own" - Duskypearls

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RE: Hopi Elder's Statement - 11/10/2012 10:43:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Duskypearls
In terms of what I've bolded, in the last week or two, I feel as tho' I'm no longer completely "here," on the planet, as it were. Much is changing; vision/energy (diminished), pain levels (greatly increased), passage of time (speeding up and slowing down), perception/interpretatiion shifts, ability or willingness to care for or help others (greatly decreased) who are not already light or moving towards the light, much more sleep is required and has finally come to me, after lacking it for 37 years, dreams are coming fast and furiously almost from the moment my eyes close till the moment I wake (also after 37 years of their absence).

It's almost like I am partially in another dimension. That which mattered before, no longer matters. It seems I have little to spare. Perhaps it is pendulum finally finding middle ground. I used to over care/over feel for far too many. Now I undercare for most. I feel it is protecting me, and feel no guilt about it.

I sense people are being deeply changed whether they know it or not, towards either the light or the dark. I sense many are being put to sleep, or are more disconnected and are becoming more dangerous.

I know not what it all means, whether it is good or bad, or what the final outcome will be for me, or the grand scheme of things. All I know is I'm doing my level best to ride out this bronc. I only wish this was all happening when I was younger, stronger, more resilient, as surely I'd feel less vulnerable. I feel there is nothing solid beneath my feet, and all I can do is hope and pray I will know what I need to know, when I need to know it. Truth be told, I feel dismally unprepared.

Do you have a chronic or recurring disease? (You may choose to answer me on the other side.)

You may be ascending or already have ascended.

Be confident!

Never mind what is beneath your feet: You are the one solid anchor in the universe. All else relates to you for their feet to rest upon. Believe that.

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"I tend to pay attention when Rule speaks" - Aswad

"You are sweet, kind, and ever so smart, Rule. You ALWAYS stretch my mind and make me think further than I might have on my own" - Duskypearls

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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RE: Hopi Elder's Statement - 11/10/2012 10:52:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Duskypearls
"We are the ones that we have been waiting for".

It is interesting that they know - have been told by their ancestors - that humanity is awaiting a change in the human constitution.

But in my opinion we are not there yet. There will always be a need for sociopaths and narcissists and supergeniusses (like myself) and the other supermen, but there are too many of us. What we are awaiting is for the bulk of humanity to change into the omnipotent superman that was created so long ago. I personally know only one such person.

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"You are sweet, kind, and ever so smart, Rule. You ALWAYS stretch my mind and make me think further than I might have on my own" - Duskypearls

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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RE: Hopi Elder's Statement - 11/10/2012 11:11:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

quote:

ORIGINAL: Duskypearls
In terms of what I've bolded, in the last week or two, I feel as tho' I'm no longer completely "here," on the planet, as it were. Much is changing; vision/energy (diminished), pain levels (greatly increased), passage of time (speeding up and slowing down), perception/interpretatiion shifts, ability or willingness to care for or help others (greatly decreased) who are not already light or moving towards the light, much more sleep is required and has finally come to me, after lacking it for 37 years, dreams are coming fast and furiously almost from the moment my eyes close till the moment I wake (also after 37 years of their absence).

It's almost like I am partially in another dimension. That which mattered before, no longer matters. It seems I have little to spare. Perhaps it is pendulum finally finding middle ground. I used to over care/over feel for far too many. Now I undercare for most. I feel it is protecting me, and feel no guilt about it.

I sense people are being deeply changed whether they know it or not, towards either the light or the dark. I sense many are being put to sleep, or are more disconnected and are becoming more dangerous.

I know not what it all means, whether it is good or bad, or what the final outcome will be for me, or the grand scheme of things. All I know is I'm doing my level best to ride out this bronc. I only wish this was all happening when I was younger, stronger, more resilient, as surely I'd feel less vulnerable. I feel there is nothing solid beneath my feet, and all I can do is hope and pray I will know what I need to know, when I need to know it. Truth be told, I feel dismally unprepared.

Do you have a chronic or recurring disease? (You may choose to answer me on the other side.) Yes, I have several. They are quite debilitating, and no fun at all. I am fortunate, tho', for no one who meets me will ever have any clue this is the case, unless I choose to share it with them. In fact, they will perceive me as quite strong and functional, and I will be, in their presence. I will only let my guard down, my vulnerability and the truth show, with those I feel can be trusted.

Another issue is being the empath. Without knowing the illnesses, injuries or symptoms of others, simply being in their presence has caused me to suddenly acquire what they have, including things like diabetes! I have learned to become a bit better at discerning mine from theirs, and will often ask, "Have you a bulging cervical disc, a migraine, acid reflux, diabetes..." or whatever else sudden pain/symptom/illness I'm suddenly overwhelmed with. I just need to learn how better to block this stuff, for I've got my hands full enough with my own crap!


You may be ascending or already have ascended. If that were true, why in the hell am I still here, and having to go through all this crap?! The doubts, the questions, the not knowing, etc., is so destabilizing.

Be confident! Yes, that is the goal.

Never mind what is beneath your feet: You are the one solid anchor in the universe. All else relates to you for their feet to rest upon. Believe that. You may be right, but more often than not, it is I who feels the need for an anchor, or someone upon whom I can rest. I have never had that, and would love to know what it is like.

You are sweet, kind, and ever so smart, Rule. You ALWAYS stretch my mind and make me think further than I might have on my own. I know there are many who neither understand nor appreciate you, but you can be sure I do. I have a slight clue just lonely you are, in your role. You have not chosen an easy path, this time around. I only hope you are amply rewarded for it in a way that is of value to you.



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RE: Hopi Elder's Statement - 11/10/2012 11:30:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Duskypearls
If that were true, why in the hell am I still here, and having to go through all this crap?! The doubts, the questions, the not knowing, etc., is so destabilizing.

Ascension does not involve exchanging the material body for an immaterial existence. It is a change in the mind with one or more parts dying and the other part(s) as a result becoming more prominent. All ascended persons in some way are crazy.

Something is going on in your mind, that much is certain. Whether for good or bad, time will tell.


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"You are sweet, kind, and ever so smart, Rule. You ALWAYS stretch my mind and make me think further than I might have on my own" - Duskypearls

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RE: Hopi Elder's Statement - 11/10/2012 12:29:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aswad

This world, or what it's becoming, is not for me.

    Do you know, Asclepius, that Egypt is an image of Heaven, or to speak more exactly, in Egypt all the operations of the powers which rule and work in Heaven are present in the Earth below? In fact it should be said that the whole Cosmos dwells in this our land as in a sanctuary.

    And yet, since it is fitting that wise men should have knowledge of all events before they come to pass, you must not be left in ignorance of what I will now tell you. There will come a time when it will have been in vain that Egyptians have honored the Godhead with heartfelt piety and service; and all our holy worship will be fruitless and ineffectual. The gods will return from earth to heaven; Egypt will be forsaken, and the land which was once the home of religion will be left desolate, bereft of the presence of its deities.

    Darkness will be preferred to light, and death will be thought more profitable than life; no one will raise his eyes to heaven; the pious will be deemed insane, the impious wise; the madman will be thought a brave man, and the wicked will be esteemed as good. As for the soul, and the belief that it is immortal by nature, or may hope to attain to immortality, as I have taught you; all this they will mock, and even persuade themselves that it is false.

    No word of reverence or piety, no utterance worthy of heaven, will be heard or believed. And so the gods will depart from mankind; a grievous thing! And only evil angels will remain, who will mingle with men, and drive the poor wretches into all manner of reckless crime, into wars, and robberies, and frauds, and all things hostile to the nature of the soul.

    Then will the earth tremble, and the sea bear no ships; heaven will not support the stars in their orbits, all voices of the gods will be forced into silence; the fruits of the Earth will rot; the soil will turn barren, and the very air will sicken with sullen stagnation; all things will be disordered and awry, all good will disappear.

    But when all this has befallen, Asclepius, then God, the Creator of all things, will look on that which has come to pass, and will stop the disorder by the counter-force of his will, which is the good. He will call back to the right path those who have gone astray; he will cleanse the world of evil, washing it away with floods, burning it out with the fiercest fire, and expelling it with war and pestilence.

    And thus he will bring back his world to its former aspect, so that the Cosmos will once more be deemed worthy of worship and wondering reverence, and God, the maker and maintainer of the mighty fabric, will be adored by the men of that day with continuous songs of praise and blessing. Such is the new birth of the Cosmos; it is a making again of all things good, a holy and awe-inspiring restoration of all nature; and it is wrought inside the process of Time by the eternal Will of the Creator.


    ~The Lament of Hermes
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RE: Hopi Elder's Statement - 11/10/2012 12:43:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Duskypearls

Truth be told, I feel dismally unprepared.


We're always dismally unprepared. It's in the nature of the beast. But we usually get by.

And, although I don't quite agree with Rule, he does have some good points.

IWYW,
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RE: Hopi Elder's Statement - 11/10/2012 12:49:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

The world is what you make it, Aswad.


Correction: it is what I successfully make it.

quote:

Are you a mover or are you someone being moved by other people?


Both. I am what I am, but I interact in the environment I exist in.

The attacks last year changed the road from where we are to where I would like to take us rather dramatically.

quote:

I think that you can join the secret groups that have been pulling the strings of the world these past couple of centuries - even for millennia they claim themselves.


I haven't had any overt invitations. And I don't seem to share the vision of anyone currently pulling any strings.

quote:

Or alternatively you can set up your own organization.


That thought has more than occured to me.

IWYW,
— Aswad.


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From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
We do.
" -- Rorschack, Watchmen.


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RE: Hopi Elder's Statement - 11/10/2012 12:53:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

but there are too many of us.


I disagree on this point.

quote:

What we are awaiting is for the bulk of humanity to change into the omnipotent superman that was created so long ago.


This might be nice, but I'll admit the prospect seems nearly as problematic as the alternative.

quote:

I personally know only one such person.


Do tell. Now we're all curious.

IWYW,
— Aswad.


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"If God saw what any of us did that night, he didn't seem to mind.
From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
We do.
" -- Rorschack, Watchmen.


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RE: Hopi Elder's Statement - 11/10/2012 12:57:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata

~The Lament of Hermes


It seems a fitting description; I'm more of a restoration era person, myself.

Did you ever read the War Scroll?

IWYW,
— Aswad.


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From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
We do.
" -- Rorschack, Watchmen.


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