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Rule -> RE: Hopi Elder's Statement (11/10/2012 1:48:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aswad
I haven't had any overt invitations.

So apply for a job with your local secret service. Or join Ron Hubbard's Church.



Aswad -> RE: Hopi Elder's Statement (11/10/2012 2:28:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule

So apply for a job with your local secret service.


Heh. That's not my scene these days.

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Or join Ron Hubbard's Church.


Not much for that one, either.

IWYW,
— Aswad.



gungadin09 -> RE: Hopi Elder's Statement (11/10/2012 2:36:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Duskypearls
Now you must go back and tell people that this is the hour!


If this is the hour, then I'm hitting the snooze button. But it's okay. You guys can laugh at me when the apocalypse comes.

On a more serious note...somebody once said "the contours of your neurosis are the same as the contours of your perception". I take that to mean that the problems that you perceive in the world around you are really only projections of your own mind. Sort of like, "you are what you eat", but in this case it more like "you are what you think". The problems that you perceive to be external are really within you. Anyway, hugs.

Pam



metamorfosis -> RE: Hopi Elder's Statement (11/10/2012 2:38:53 PM)

Sorry. I hate computers.

Pam



Aswad -> RE: Hopi Elder's Statement (11/10/2012 3:26:56 PM)

Kierkegaard dealt with similar things in some of his writings. The more subjective something becomes- and doubly so for abstract things- the more they reflect the person perceiving them. The harder something is to see, or the more interpretation is involved, the more things mirror the observer. But the clearest reflection is in those things that lack an objective basis, the ones that are purely subjective, like values.

For me, I don't see an apocalypse on the horizon, just great changes over the next few decades, which is hardly a unique prediction.

IWYW,
— Aswad.



Kirata -> RE: Hopi Elder's Statement (11/11/2012 1:21:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aswad

Did you ever read the War Scroll?

As I recall, the War Scroll foretells of a battle that begins with the righteous in the charge of the Sanctuary, specifically requiring the High Priest and the chief priests of the temple to attend their duties therein and at daily burnt offerings. While there is indeed a group in Israel that wants to rebuild the temple and re-initiate the practice of sacrifice, one helluva war is likely to start long before they are in charge of anything if they try it.

K.



LaTigresse -> RE: Hopi Elder's Statement (11/11/2012 1:32:55 PM)

The OP reads to me, much like the bits of the bible that the televangelists use to increase their membership, and coffers.

Religious sorts have been preaching the end of the world is near, for centuries. Maybe the end of THEIR world, but I am pretty confident that mine will suit me just fine long after I am gone.

Then again, I actually enjoy change. I like being shoved out of my comfort zones. I think it's good for people. The planet has been evolving since it's creation. There is no reason to believe it's going to stop, just because we happen to like the way it is at any particular moment.

Yes, I see and sense change, but I am not afraid of it. I am actually excited about it.



Rule -> RE: Hopi Elder's Statement (11/11/2012 3:26:38 PM)

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I agree that it has similarities to the end time proclamations; the difference being that it is actually a pronouncement of the start of a new beginning. It is wishful thinking.

As I said before. I disagree. Most of mankind does not make the grade as yet.



Aswad -> RE: Hopi Elder's Statement (11/12/2012 2:31:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

As I recall, the War Scroll foretells of a battle that begins with the righteous in the charge of the Sanctuary, specifically requiring the High Priest and the chief priests of the temple to attend their duties therein and at daily burnt offerings. While there is indeed a group in Israel that wants to rebuild the temple and re-initiate the practice of sacrifice, one helluva war is likely to start long before they are in charge of anything if they try it.


I think I've got my scrolls mixed up, nevermind. [:D]

IWYW,
— Aswad.



outhere69 -> RE: Hopi Elder's Statement (11/12/2012 4:41:07 PM)

It's starting to look like an urban legend, or simply adding the Hopi stuff to another prophecy. I found a reference to it back in 2009, and it's spammed all over the new age woo sites.



Aswad -> RE: Hopi Elder's Statement (11/13/2012 7:37:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Religious sorts have been preaching the end of the world is near, for centuries. Maybe the end of THEIR world, but I am pretty confident that mine will suit me just fine long after I am gone.


Some of us preach that the end of the world is not near, that the end is not preordained, but rather one of many possible outcomes of the collective actions and attitudes of humanity as a whole, that we must act in ways that are consonant with continued life and quality thereof, and that rather than a single judgment, reality itself judges us every moment and metes out consequences in a predictable and fairly consistent manner.

The rest of it is mostly about the humility to remember that humanity is a tiny fraction of the fauna of a tiny blue dot orbiting a small star in a tiny corner of a galaxy in the local cluster that is part of the local group, and so on up to a scale that is quite simply too large for our pathetic little minds to grasp. We have a tendency to get above ourselves, to forget that the universe won't even notice if one of the many near-Earth objects should happen to slam into us and wipe out all life on this planet. It's not even going to make a difference on a galactic scale, which is pretty damn small.

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Then again, I actually enjoy change.


I would suppose this depends on the nature of the change?

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I like being shoved out of my comfort zones. I think it's good for people.


As a rule, this depends on how far outside the comfort zone one is pushed. Being outside the comfort zone makes people more capable, while moving into the aversive/backlash zone makes people less capable and more dead set against something.

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The planet has been evolving since it's creation. There is no reason to believe it's going to stop, just because we happen to like the way it is at any particular moment.


This is certainly true.

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Yes, I see and sense change, but I am not afraid of it. I am actually excited about it.


Nobody's talking about being afraid, I think.

For myself, I'm simply talking about being incompatible with certain changes that are headed my way.

IWYW,
— Aswad.



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