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Romney presidency wrong for 40 million Americans - 10/23/2012 7:53:40 PM   
erieangel


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Status: offline 		In a recent LA Times article, an argument was put forth that a Romney presidency would negatively impact the health and welfare of up to 40 million people.

40 million people a year suffer from some form of mental health crisis. But for some reason, the issues facing those 40 million have not been addressed at all in this long campaign. To put that number into perspective, (from the article) "about 12 million Americans are living with some form of cancer; 400,000 Americans suffer from multiple sclerosis; 1 million from Parkinson's and 1.2 million are living with HIV/AIDS. So 40 million is a significant constituency of sick people."

Obama has a record of advancing the interests of the mentally ill. He has done more to advance the treatment of and research into mental illness than any other president in history; he signed the mental health parity bill, which states that insurance companies must treat mental illness like any other illness--no more caps on annual psychiatric visits, lengths of hospital stays, etc. Mental health parity has made a difference in the lives of millions of people and families who had struggled with financing treatment for themselves or their loved ones.

The PPACA went a step further, requiring most insurance companies to cover mental health treatment in some form. And the expansion of medicaid will help those who do not have insurance to get treatment. Obama has also increased the budget to the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH), which does research into the causes and treatments of some of the most debilitating mental illnesses.

In contrast, Romney has promised to repeal PPACA, which would mean that the millions who now have coverage for their mental illness (I had been restricted to 4 psychiatric visits and 15 days in the hospital for mental health care prior to 2010) might lose their enhanced coverage. And it's hard to imagine funding to the NIMH. And medicaid is on the chopping block under Romney, who wants to turn it into a block grant when states can not be trusted to care for the needs of their most vulnerable citizens.

Too bad many mentally ill people don't bother to vote--in truth they are too busy trying to deal with day to day life. And those that do often don't look deeply into the issues facing them. But 40 million is a number that is hard to ignore. A good percentage of these people are unable, currently, to hold down jobs or even function enough to care for their everyday needs like daily showers and proper diet.

It is way past time we have a national debate on what to do about mental illness and the stigma associated with having a mental illness.

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RE: Romney presidency wrong for 40 million Americans - 10/23/2012 7:55:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's +260 Million... I'd call that a win... Anyone with a brain would.

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RE: Romney presidency wrong for 40 million Americans - 10/23/2012 8:01:16 PM   
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RE: Romney presidency wrong for 40 million Americans - 10/23/2012 8:05:54 PM   
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That's +260 Million... I'd call that a win... Anyone with a brain would.

yeah, they cost taxpayers SO much.
BTW ,,,Still on the clock?

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RE: Romney presidency wrong for 40 million Americans - 10/23/2012 8:13:05 PM   
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RE: Romney presidency wrong for 40 million Americans - 10/23/2012 8:43:20 PM   
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Oh rob didn't include the $ I didn't realize what he meant.



I THINK what rob is saying is pretty much "40 million mentally ill that Romney doesn't care about......... FUCK EM" I may be wrong but I don''t think so.

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RE: Romney presidency wrong for 40 million Americans - 10/23/2012 8:55:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Naw, I think he was saying he doesn't care about 40 million Americans.

Few people do until mental illness affects their life personally. And then, many still turn their backs on their loved ones because of it.


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RE: Romney presidency wrong for 40 million Americans - 10/23/2012 9:10:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		And another Obama term is going to be wrong for the families who care for our mentally ill loved ones, Erie. Winter coats, good quality shoes, gift cards to Subway, and stores chains that don't carry alcohol, tanks of gas to drive 500 miles round trips when they somehow get stranded far away, replacing furniture that gets destroyed when they have a nasty argument with the voices... These things cost money that we don't always have.

Don't use the families as a club, when your solution is another goddamn program that assumes taking care of the mentally ill is a job for the government.

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RE: Romney presidency wrong for 40 million Americans - 10/23/2012 9:24:17 PM   
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RE: Romney presidency wrong for 40 million Americans - 10/23/2012 9:36:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		The government has always "taken care" of the mentally ill. And done a piss poor at it to boot, more times than not. The first government run mental hospital was opened before this country was even a country. Lock em up and throw away the key was a standard for far too long. Those who could deal with their mentally ill family members found a way to avoid the hospitals, but not many could deal over the long term. My grandfather had an aunt like that. She sat staring out a second floor bedroom window for nearly 10 years before her family decided to lock her away in Warren State Hospital back in the day when people went to the hospitals and usually didn't come out.

Which is an example why we need a national conversation about mental health. It tends to run in families. Recent studies have indicated there might be a genetic predisposition to mental illness.

As for funding for the NIMH. Do you seriously think there would ever be serious studies done on the issue if not for government funding? The pharmaceutical companies aren't even interested in developing new drugs. There hasn't been serious new drugs for any mental health disorder since the 1970s. Oddly, some older drugs, mainly those used for seizure disorders, have recently been found to be effective for things like bipolar disorder. The last drug I was on was Topamax, a seizure medication that, incidentally has not been approved by the FDA for use for bipolar. It has proven to be the most effective drug for me, so much so that I was able to go med-free for 2 years and now take Topamax only when I am having difficulties.




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RE: Romney presidency wrong for 40 million Americans - 10/23/2012 9:50:14 PM   
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 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


Are you implying that government shall be our salvation? I thought there was this little separation thingy there....

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RE: Romney presidency wrong for 40 million Americans - 10/23/2012 10:14:09 PM   
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The government has always "taken care" of the mentally ill. And done a piss poor at it to boot, more times than not.



That's pretty much how the government does most things that it should be nowhere near the lead on, Erie.

Actually, what they have done is draw lines of public safety, to replace the lines of public comfort, in determining who gets a ride with the men in white coats.

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RE: Romney presidency wrong for 40 million Americans - 10/23/2012 10:31:17 PM   
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Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


Are you implying that government shall be our salvation? I thought there was this little separation thingy there....


If the alternative is to let sick folks languish...yes.

What difference does it make how they`re cared for?

We are our brother`s keeper.

There are some real jerk-offs who would let Americans rot in disease and sickness.......just out of a jack-ass theory/principle.......... that it`s wrong for government to care for them....

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RE: Romney presidency wrong for 40 million Americans - 10/23/2012 10:34:40 PM   
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Yet, anyway.

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RE: Romney presidency wrong for 40 million Americans - 10/23/2012 10:55:13 PM   
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I THINK what rob is saying is pretty much "40 million mentally ill that Romney doesn't care about......... FUCK EM" I may be wrong but I don''t think so.

Actually this is a typical example of trolling at it's worst, simply being as gutter-mouthed and hateful as possible for no greater reason than shock value. We see this sort of filth all the time from as small cadre of Teabagger sociopaths on this board. Sigh.

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RE: Romney presidency wrong for 40 million Americans - 10/23/2012 10:55:27 PM   
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Naw, I think he was saying he doesn't care about 40 million Americans.

Few people do until mental illness affects their life personally. And then, many still turn their backs on their loved ones because of it.



Nah I believe 40 million just about covers all the exemptions Obama handed out for his signature legislation.

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RE: Romney presidency wrong for 40 million Americans - 10/23/2012 11:08:05 PM   
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Actually this is a typical example of trolling at it's worst, simply being as gutter-mouthed and hateful as possible for no greater reason than shock value. We see this sort of filth all the time from as small cadre of Teabagger sociopaths on this board. Sigh



LOL. And from a shitload of Obamabots.

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RE: Romney presidency wrong for 40 million Americans - 10/23/2012 11:10:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		That you offer up that no major medicines have been put out there is disingenuous. If there was no research at all going on in the field it is unlikely that the medications you noted in your post would have been found to be effective. While I agree that there is a serious problem with the field of study it is not the business of the government to care for those suffering these, in some cases terrible illnesses.

I would also point out that in your post you mentioned the lack of approval by the FDA for the drug Topamax for use in the treatment of bi polar disorder. This is the kind of reaction and impediment offered by a government solution. Before I get flamed... I would like to add I support a safety net for those cases that honestly have nothing else to catch them.. but government should not be the first in the care taker line.

I am of the belief that we should tend to our own. Yes I know it's hard I have helped do it. It is a thankless job and I saw the trial for what it was with my uncle. I once asked my grandfather why and what he told me has stuck with me.. "Boy he's family and it's what we do."

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RE: Romney presidency wrong for 40 million Americans - 10/24/2012 1:39:46 AM   
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In a recent LA Times article, an argument was put forth that a Romney presidency would negatively impact the health and welfare of up to 40 million people.


This is a very conservative estimate.

There are over 6 billion people in the world. A Romney Presidency would be bad for 99% of those 6 billion. He has made no secret of the fact that his policies and priorities will be to benefit the already wealthy, the millionaires, multi-millionaires and billionaires. Those already at the margins, the mentally ill amongst them, as well as virtually the entire population of the Third World have no grounds for optimism in the unlikely event of a Romney White House.

As far as Romney is concerned, the rest of us, the 99% of us who aren't already loaded, can go suck.

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RE: Romney presidency wrong for 40 million Americans - 10/24/2012 5:14:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can understand why liberals harp on this. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

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