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kalikshama -> AZ - voter suppression or honest mistake? (10/19/2012 12:22:18 PM)
Arizona Election Officials Gave Spanish-Speaking Voters The Wrong Date For The Election Spanish-language voter documents circulated in Arizona this week told voters that Election Day was November 8, while the English version of these same documents correctly listed the date as the 6th. Election officials in Maricopa County have brushed the slip-up off as "an honest mistake," claiming that out of nearly two million cards mailed out, only 50 contained the error. Maricopa County is Arizona's most populous county and the center of longstanding tension between Latinos and county officials. Immigration laws in Arizona are some of the country's strictest, with the recent implementation of its "papers please" provision of the SB 1070 law. Additionally, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio is being tried in a class-action lawsuit for civil rights and constitutional violations against Hispanics. With Election Day around the corner, voter ID laws around the country have been intensely scrutinized by Democrats. This incident only serves to deepen concerns regarding voter suppression, leading many to believe that Republicans in many states are conspiring to deny particular citizens their constitutional right to vote. Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/arizona-voters-latinos-mistakes-election-day-2012-10#ixzz29m4nCFdd

Lucylastic -> RE: AZ - voter suppression or honest mistake? (10/19/2012 12:41:30 PM)
I will go for voter suppression attempt...but thats cos Im a cynical bitch. Where are all the people that screamed about Acorn and leftist "voter fraud" ??? Guess its different when the shoe is on the other foot, or suppression is a different topic, lol

DesideriScuri -> RE: AZ - voter suppression or honest mistake? (10/19/2012 1:50:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I will go for voter suppression attempt...but thats cos Im a cynical bitch. Where are all the people that screamed about Acorn and leftist "voter fraud" ??? Guess its different when the shoe is on the other foot, or suppression is a different topic, lol Sorry I didn't jump onto this 4 hours ago while I was drywalling my bathroom. I don't know the process for printing the voter documents, but I'llweigh in anyway. If all the Spanish language documents are fucked up, that could be a legit error on the part of the printing company or the government, but it could also be an attempt to suppress the Latin-American vote. If just those 50 are fucked up (which is what it is according to the Elections Officials), and they are not the only Spanish-language cards, then I'm going to go for the suppression vote. It's a legitimate idea that there was a snafu either by government in translating, or in the printers. If all the ballots aren't printed out in one run, I'd be shocked. It's a matter of efficiencies of scale. Without knowing more detailes, it's a bit tough to determine.

kalikshama -> RE: AZ - voter suppression or honest mistake? (10/19/2012 2:00:04 PM)
The mistake had to have been caught during the run if only 50 went out. I'm curious as to why, once they learned that there was a mistake, the ones with the error were not retrieved and discarded. And I am curious as to how they came up with that figure of only 50 recipients of the wrong info?

DesideriScuri -> RE: AZ - voter suppression or honest mistake? (10/19/2012 2:37:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama The mistake had to have been caught during the run if only 50 went out. I'm curious as to why, once they learned that there was a mistake, the ones with the error were not retrieved and discarded. And I am curious as to how they came up with that figure of only 50 recipients of the wrong info? Again, more details have to be known. 2M went out. 50 were wrong. All 50 were in Spanish (assuming from the headline of the article). No mention if those 50 are all the Spanish ones, or not. You bring up interesting points about why they weren't discarded, and how they knew it was 50. I'd also like to know those answers.

Zonie63 -> RE: AZ - voter suppression or honest mistake? (10/19/2012 4:50:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama Arizona Election Officials Gave Spanish-Speaking Voters The Wrong Date For The Election Spanish-language voter documents circulated in Arizona this week told voters that Election Day was November 8, while the English version of these same documents correctly listed the date as the 6th. Election officials in Maricopa County have brushed the slip-up off as "an honest mistake," claiming that out of nearly two million cards mailed out, only 50 contained the error. Maricopa County is Arizona's most populous county and the center of longstanding tension between Latinos and county officials. Immigration laws in Arizona are some of the country's strictest, with the recent implementation of its "papers please" provision of the SB 1070 law. Additionally, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio is being tried in a class-action lawsuit for civil rights and constitutional violations against Hispanics. With Election Day around the corner, voter ID laws around the country have been intensely scrutinized by Democrats. This incident only serves to deepen concerns regarding voter suppression, leading many to believe that Republicans in many states are conspiring to deny particular citizens their constitutional right to vote. Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/arizona-voters-latinos-mistakes-election-day-2012-10#ixzz29m4nCFdd I received a number of voter pamphlets in the mail, many of which were both in English and Spanish, and they all said the election is November 6th in both languages. I don't know if this happened in just Maricopa County or if it was in other counties, too. I live in Pima County. I don't see how anyone could actually "miss" the election just because of a misprint on a single document, when there are tons of other pamphlets and documents which have the correct date. Plus, there's a bunch of election information on the internet, in the newspapers, as well as local numbers to call for information. Besides, the picture shows that the document has the dates (written in English and Spanish) side by side, making it pretty obvious. [image]http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/5080291e6bb3f7d10e000000-400-/election-voter-document-spanish-english.jpg[/image]

DarkSteven -> RE: AZ - voter suppression or honest mistake? (10/19/2012 4:57:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama The mistake had to have been caught during the run if only 50 went out. I'm curious as to why, once they learned that there was a mistake, the ones with the error were not retrieved and discarded. And I am curious as to how they came up with that figure of only 50 recipients of the wrong info? That's what occurred to me as well. That figure of 50 would be hard to arrive at honestly, and hard to disprove. My bullshit meter is ringing.

kalikshama -> RE: AZ - voter suppression or honest mistake? (10/19/2012 5:25:57 PM)
I used to work at a company that made folding boxes. If an error happened during printing, that part of the stack would be marked so QC could sort it after they were cut. The printers could estimate a count but QC would weed them out. I don't see how it's possible to both have a count of 50 AND have let them go out.

FMRFGOPGAL -> RE: AZ - voter suppression or honest mistake? (10/20/2012 12:01:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I will go for voter suppression attempt...but thats cos Im a cynical bitch. Where are all the people that screamed about Acorn and leftist "voter fraud" ??? Guess its different when the shoe is on the other foot, or suppression is a different topic, lol I'm thinking voter suppression, exdplained as mistake once caught. Your rhinstones twinkle when you're cynical. I'm going to bed before someone points out the wet spot[:-]

graceadieu -> RE: AZ - voter suppression or honest mistake? (10/21/2012 7:44:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama Spanish-language voter documents circulated in Arizona this week told voters that Election Day was November 8, while the English version of these same documents correctly listed the date as the 6th. Election officials in Maricopa County have brushed the slip-up off as "an honest mistake," claiming that out of nearly two million cards mailed out, only 50 contained the error. This reminds me of when Bob Ehrlich's (MD Republican governor, '02-'06) campaign papered majority-black neighborhoods with flyers "reminding" them to vote on Wednesday. When he ran again in 2010, one of his campaign managers was criminally convicted of voter suppression because he called a bunch of black and Hispanic voters the day before the election with a fake announcement that O'Malley (the Democrat candidate) had already won so they didn't need to go vote. They claimed that those were honest mistakes, too. Oh, and guess who's Mitt Romney's campaign chairman in Maryland? Gotta love it.

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