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LookieNoNookie -> Can NOT fucking GO! (10/3/2012 4:09:12 PM)
Cat wants to go out....got one of those Mancun (sp?) cats...wants to kill shit...like Moose or something....damn thing's the size of a fucking gawdamn roaster oven...mailman, dumpster guy, all wondering when I'm gonna tranquilize this son of a bitch....me in the morning, on the way to my car....motherfucker wants to kill me.... I wake up in the morning and this thing is JONESING to get outside!!!! Freaking out...chasing me to every door...."yeah...this door? No...that door? How 'bout that window?....hhhmmmm....gonna open that window....I saw you walking towards that window....gonna open that window?" I wake up in the middle of the night and this motherfucker is chewing on my hand....my housekeeper is wondering if I have AID's....I'm bleeding all over everything (while I'm asleep)...staff is wondering whether or not I was in the Central District the night before thanks to all my bandages... Have a cat door in the kitchen...can't let it loose (has one of those locking things on it) because I have a woos.....total puss...sweetheart but couldn't win a fight against a paper towel...and then...this guy. WTF? How do I deal with this shit? I have one cat that wants to kill the postman...and another who's sitting there going..."it's all good...where's the clicker? I'm chilling baby.. I live in a quandary.

hausboy -> RE: Can NOT fucking GO! (10/3/2012 5:00:59 PM)
Hey LookieNoNookie... I have two Maine Coons, and they love to hunt! (and like to playfully spar & bite) Mine are strictly indoors though. The good news is that Maine Coons are highly trainable, just like dogs. I provide hunting "games" at home--I give them items to hunt that they like (in this case, little rabbit-fur mice) and a cat-nip filled stuffed squirrel (plush, not actual) They especially like to hunt in the evening, so sometimes I'll leave one out and they "hunt" it, bring it upstairs to show me their hunt, and then they're happy to call it a night. If I don't give them enough stimulation or attention (they are extremely affectionate) they are more likely to be disruptive at night. When he chews your hand, give him something else to chew on, and when he chews on the toy, reward him. (a little treat) I absolutely love the breed--they are very very social, so if you don't spend a lot of time at home, they are more likely to act out when you come home. Mine just like hanging out with me--doesn't matter what I'm doing--they just want to sit and hang out in the same room.

lizi -> RE: Can NOT fucking GO! (10/3/2012 5:05:13 PM)
I had a Maine Coon that was ginormous and constantly wanted to be outside. I was determined to keep he and his sister as indoor cats, but they defeated me. He would pace if he were inside and yowl. Or go into a window and beat the blinds with his tail until we chased him out and then do it all over again. I'm convinced you cannot keep this breed of cat indoors. If there was a trick to that then I missed it and he wore me down with the persistence. Especially the thing with the blinds, He also subsisted on what he killed. He would eat cat food as a treat every once in a while and only a bite or two, he lived on what he caught outside, there was no getting him away from that. Pace Juan Hernandez III (no, we never had a I or a II, this was what my genius sons named him) was a terrifying killing machine with yellow eyes that had the musculature of a puma. I saw this cat run up a tree after a chipmunk and out on to this tiny little branch where the chipmunk obviously thought it was safe, bitch slap the chipmunk off to the ground where the sister was waiting to track it, bound down the tree butt down like a bear and go snap the chipmunk's neck. He was also very sweet, and smart. He taught himself to pee in the toilet, I'm not kidding. That's a story for another time though. He had a bunch of other tricks he'd do. He was amazing. I'd say you don't have a chance at changing your cat's ways, they seem to be a part of the breed. Get used to it [:)]

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Can NOT fucking GO! (10/3/2012 5:09:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hausboy Hey LookieNoNookie... I have two Maine Coons, and they love to hunt! (and like to playfully spar & bite) Mine are strictly indoors though. The good news is that Maine Coons are highly trainable, just like dogs. I provide hunting "games" at home--I give them items to hunt that they like (in this case, little rabbit-fur mice) and a cat-nip filled stuffed squirrel (plush, not actual) They especially like to hunt in the evening, so sometimes I'll leave one out and they "hunt" it, bring it upstairs to show me their hunt, and then they're happy to call it a night. If I don't give them enough stimulation or attention (they are extremely affectionate) they are more likely to be disruptive at night. When he chews your hand, give him something else to chew on, and when he chews on the toy, reward him. (a little treat) I absolutely love the breed--they are very very social, so if you don't spend a lot of time at home, they are more likely to act out when you come home. Mine just like hanging out with me--doesn't matter what I'm doing--they just want to sit and hang out in the same room. Well, I stand corrected on the spelling but, I have to say....your thoughts on giving him something else to chew on....at 3 in the morning, when my arm and wrist are available....I'll just show him your post. However, the rest, I thank you for :) (Tank ewe :) )

hausboy -> RE: Can NOT fucking GO! (10/3/2012 5:11:26 PM)
I believe that once a cat goes outside....they are an outdoor cat. very hard to "undo" it, but my two have always been indoors and they are really good about it. They love to sit in the windows (don't all cats?) and I'll open up the front door so they can sit and look out the storm door...but if I reach for the door handle, they know to walk away from the door. (I trained them) I give 'em plenty of playtime in the house, so they seem pretty content. There's no way I could let them out in the city--hell, I won't go outside at night either, lol.

hausboy -> RE: Can NOT fucking GO! (10/3/2012 5:15:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie Well, I stand corrected on the spelling but, I have to say....your thoughts on giving him something else to chew on....at 3 in the morning, when my arm and wrist are available....I'll just show him your post. However, the rest, I thank you for :) (Tank ewe :) ) good luck....that would totally drive me insane. My previous cats figured out that if they knocked stuff off the nightstand, my (ex) wife would get out of bed and feed them to make them stop. They never did it to me because they knew I'd ignore them...and after the third time, put them on the other side of the door. So when I slept in, they never bugged me. My ex? They were relentless because they knew she'd give in. Maine Coons are pretty frickin' smart, so you have your hands full!

lizi -> RE: Can NOT fucking GO! (10/3/2012 5:24:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hausboy I believe that once a cat goes outside....they are an outdoor cat. very hard to "undo" it, but my two have always been indoors and they are really good about it. They love to sit in the windows (don't all cats?) and I'll open up the front door so they can sit and look out the storm door...but if I reach for the door handle, they know to walk away from the door. (I trained them) I give 'em plenty of playtime in the house, so they seem pretty content. There's no way I could let them out in the city--hell, I won't go outside at night either, lol. I agree with you that once they've gone out that's it. I've had other cats that have stayed indoors all their lives, they're curious about what's out there, but we never had to play games to get them away from the door or dodge them when we wanted to enter or leave the house. We honestly kept the two Maine Coons as indoor cats, from the very start we had to fight their inordinate interest at what was outside of those doors and windows. I tried my best, but there were too many people in and out all day long. In a busy household of many active people, friends, and general foot traffic, they eventually made it out and that was it. They did have pretty constant indoor stimulation indoors too as they were the pets of everyone who was here. Think 2 teenagers and a bazillion friends, at that point in my life the door was constantly in a flux of being open and shut, and people in and out that didn't ever care to ask if the two adorable cats inside weren't allowed out. I couldn't be everywhere at once, unfortunately. Plus I think with the male that his hunting instincts were in overload right from the start and he wanted out.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Can NOT fucking GO! (10/3/2012 5:26:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lizi I had a Maine Coon that was ginormous and constantly wanted to be outside. I was determined to keep he and his sister as indoor cats, but they defeated me. He would pace if he were inside and yowl. Or go into a window and beat the blinds with his tail until we chased him out and then do it all over again. I'm convinced you cannot keep this breed of cat indoors. If there was a trick to that then I missed it and he wore me down with the persistence. Especially the thing with the blinds, He also subsisted on what he killed. He would eat cat food as a treat every once in a while and only a bite or two, he lived on what he caught outside, there was no getting him away from that. Pace Juan Hernandez III (no, we never had a I or a II, this was what my genius sons named him) was a terrifying killing machine with yellow eyes that had the musculature of a puma. I saw this cat run up a tree after a chipmunk and out on to this tiny little branch where the chipmunk obviously thought it was safe, bitch slap the chipmunk off to the ground where the sister was waiting to track it, bound down the tree butt down like a bear and go snap the chipmunk's neck. He was also very sweet, and smart. He taught himself to pee in the toilet, I'm not kidding. That's a story for another time though. He had a bunch of other tricks he'd do. He was amazing. I'd say you don't have a chance at changing your cat's ways, they seem to be a part of the breed. Get used to it [:)] He is the sweetest damn cat on Earth....he climbs up into my arms at night, kisses me, falls asleep in my arm, we drift off together and I'm thinking..."what a sweety...." and I wake up....he's there...and when I head for the door...he's like on fucking METH!!!!!" I'm up, taking a shower.....and the guy is JONESING for an opening...poking at my gawdamn shower curtain...."Dad's gonna open the door....yeah.....I know it....in a minute....here it comes....he's gonna open the door any second....oh yeah.....doors opening any second...."....I don't want to open a door (outside...like out by the car) because it's dark outside, I live in a (VERY) rural area....there's wolves and shit....but he wants to go kill shit...and my hand is like hamburger every morning....and I'm thinking...."he's gonna be de jour"...but he wants to go kill shit. Fucking cats.

hausboy -> RE: Can NOT fucking GO! (10/3/2012 5:28:54 PM)
come to think of it....mine like poking the shower curtain too.... ....maybe get one of those catnip filled plush squirrels....did wonders for my two!

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Can NOT fucking GO! (10/3/2012 5:44:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hausboy come to think of it....mine like poking the shower curtain too.... ....maybe get one of those catnip filled plush squirrels....did wonders for my two! Squirrels....that's the ticket!

QueenRah -> RE: Can NOT fucking GO! (10/3/2012 6:18:40 PM)
JJ, As noted, maine coon cats must hunt. They are a very high-energy, high-prey drive cat. The constant nagging to be let out is really him begging for some activity. If you don't do this, already, supply him with toys that simulate the hunt and use those toys in interactive play. After about an hour of play, each day, if need be, broken into smaller time segments, you will have a satisfied cat and flesh less gound-meaty. The "fishing lure" type toy (with a long handle for the human, a line and a toy at the end of the line) is ideal for this type of play. Giving him about an hour of play time per day should work out his muscles and stimulate his mind. Please, keep in mind, anything with string or cord should be put up and away from his reach, when you cannot supervise. Cats will swallow strings, etc., rather than spit them out. I remember quite a few unfortunate cats in surgery for removal of strings, shoelaces, leather cords, etc., when I worked in veterinary hospitals. QR

DNAHelicase -> RE: Can NOT fucking GO! (10/3/2012 6:19:46 PM)
I completely disagree that once a cat has been outside, they can't be trained to stay inside. I worked in a vet's office for a while. I saw more than enough cats mangled and literally brought to the door of the clinic in pieces (yes, LITERALLY) after being hit by cars or mauled by dogs or coyotes or other cats or caught in moving machinery; cats that had been set on fire or shot or cut up by sick assholes; cats that were convulsing in agony after being bitten by venomous snakes or ingesting a poisoned rodent; cats that were chronically sick and miserable from endo- and ectoparasites and constant respiratory infections and festering wounds from fighting other cats; that none of my cats has ever been allowed outside after I adopted them. I have a formerly feral cat. She was never touched by humans until she was trapped at ~7 months old and she was utterly wild at the time. She's never set foot outside since then and it's been years. She made a couple of attempts at breaking out when she was still very skittish and easily spooked by humans or the sounds of a house (e.g. the A/C switching on), but once she started to calm down she stopped trying to get out and I don't think she would go outside now even if I let her (I base this on the front door being accidentally left wide open for at least 2 hours one day--when I discovered it, my other cat was strolling along the driveway riling up the neighbor's dogs and she was sitting inside in the window right next to the open door watching him). I have or have had other cats that were rescued from various places that lived outdoors before I got them, some of them for years, and they never went outside again. One in particular would try to sneak out and because he was an intelligent cat who could work through simple problems just as well as any young child, it was a challenge to keep him inside at first. He even figured out how to open screen doors at one point. But over time, his attempts to get out grew less determined and happened less often, and after a while he grew to be perfectly content to lounge on the back of the couch and look out the window without trying to figure a way out of it. So yes, you can teach a formerly outdoor cat to stay inside. Remember that YOU are the owner, YOU make and enforce the rules. Be consistent and be firm. Be prepared for the cat to drive you crazy for a little while, but know that over time the behavior will taper off as long as you remain firm. I can't stress that enough. If you let the cat outside, even just once in a while, it will reinforce to the cat that you DO let it outside, and so it will continue to beg (insist). So be 100% firm and resolved that the cat will not ever go outside again, and stick to it no matter how annoying the cat gets about begging when you first set your foot down. While you're waiting for the behavior to die off, try to distract the cat when it wants to go outside. Give it toys to play with, and more than that, actually interact with it with those toys. Cats respond to different toys, so figure out what kind yours likes best (a piece of string moving along the floor in a jerky pattern, a cat toy with feathery tails being waved in the air, a real fur mouse that you toss at the cat? etc.) and do that when the cat wants to go out. This will also help with the problem of your cat attacking your hands at night. As others have mentioned, Maine Coons have high prey drives. Wear his ass out during the day so he doesn't have so much energy at night! Don't give in to his demands to be let out, and remember that eventually the cat will accept being inside and will stop driving you crazy. It's MUCH safer for the cat, it's MUCH better for the wildlife, and it's healthier for you and your other cat (outdoor cats that fight or hunt WILL pick up parasites and diseases sooner or later). The first link is to a story about cameras attached to cats' collars, capturing their behaviors when they go outdoors. It's from a recent study done at the University of Georgia. The second link is to some short clips of cat training (if you get Animal Planet, I highly suggest watching My Cat From Hell--excellent training advice for cats). Look at the one on how to properly play with your cat--I think it could be helpful for your problem of the cat attacking your hands at night (seriously, wear him out during the day!). The third one is a short article on training your cat to stay indoors. You can find more in depth training articles on the subject by googling "train cat indoors." The rest of the links are about the dangers and problems outdoor cats face and the terrible impact outdoor cats have on wildlife and they have some tips on transitioning cats to indoors only. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-08-06/house-cats-kill/56831262/1 http://animal.discovery.com/tv-shows/my-cat-from-hell/videos/my-cat-from-hell-jackson-galaxy-videos.htm http://voices.yahoo.com/how-train-outdoor-cat-indoor-cat-1647171.html http://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/cats/index.html http://www.americanhumane.org/animals/adoption-pet-care/caring-for-your-pet/indoor-cats-vs-outdoor-cats.html http://www.cat-world.com.au/indoor-vs-outdoor-cats

hausboy -> RE: Can NOT fucking GO! (10/3/2012 6:36:40 PM)
thanks for sharing that. and personally, I believe in keeping a cat indoors. When I lived out west, it was dangerous to let them out because of coyotes. In the city, it's kids...cars...jerks....dogs....rats.... I just think it's much harder to train them once they gotten used to going outside. My friends who brought outside cats..in.... had a LOT of behavior problems that drove them to let them back outside. (marking)

LadyPact -> RE: Can NOT fucking GO! (10/3/2012 6:50:13 PM)
JJ, you've got a couple of options here. One is to give up entirely. The other is to start training the cat before the cat has successfully trained YOU. Argue with that if you'd like, but the cat is already teaching you cause and effect. DNA linked you where I was going to send you. Animal Planet has a great show called "My Cat From Hell". It's about teaching owners how to come up with solutions for the cat such as increasing their exercise, fulfilling their desire to hunt, and even taking cats out on a leash, if that's what it takes. (My personal favorite from there was City the Kitty.) The point is, cats are similar to dogs in that certain breeds/temperaments really do get on better if you allow them things that they want as a part of their nature. Not saying that your hand should be a part of that. [:D]

hausboy -> RE: Can NOT fucking GO! (10/3/2012 6:57:15 PM)
Thanks LadyPact.... ....and maine coons are the dogs of the cat world. They tolerate leashes (Harnesses) better than most, and can be trained to do a lot of things that other cats would not bother with. Mine used to fetch (only ONE specific toy. when they ripped it to shreds, they refused to fetch anything else.) they sit up and beg for a treat just like a dog....they come when I call them, respond well to several different verbal commands, are social as all hell, and the more I exercise them, the happier they are.

ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Can NOT fucking GO! (10/3/2012 6:57:51 PM)
I have a wonderful cat who adopted us one winter. He (obviously) was a stray and so for some time at least was an outdoor cat. We have taught him to be an indoor cat. Sometimes (2 years later) he still fusses to go out, but his desire is not that strong. Naturally, he has been neutered, which does help. I have known cats that were much harder to keep in. This takes patience and vigilance.

hausboy -> RE: Can NOT fucking GO! (10/3/2012 7:00:05 PM)
hey ChatteParfaitt: I can't read "outside cat" and NOT think of a certain poster on here that took her cat out in a stroller.... makes me laugh every time! [;)]

ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Can NOT fucking GO! (10/3/2012 7:04:17 PM)
I know. Her's had a place for the water dish, and a privacy screen and all that jazz. Hey I want a stroller for my cat. He would love it !! He could be out and be safe. B/c really, the cat is too dumb to out on his own.

hausboy -> RE: Can NOT fucking GO! (10/3/2012 7:11:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt I know. Her's had a place for the water dish, and a privacy screen and all that jazz. Hey I want a stroller for my cat. He would love it !! He could be out and be safe. B/c really, the cat is too dumb to out on his own. mine would love it too.... but I swear, if I take my cats out in a stroller...I can pretty much guarantee that I'll be a single guy for the rest of my life![:D]

ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Can NOT fucking GO! (10/3/2012 7:13:20 PM)
Or you'd hook up with a cat lady.

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