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RE: Libyans protest against Islamic extremist militias. - 9/22/2012 2:43:06 PM

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I would never want anyone to think that conservatives and the religious right in America somehow represent all of us. Because they absolutely do not.

Certainly not. We are just the ones who keep the guns oiled, to make sure you can keep your mouth running.

Did you not write the above, or was that someone else?

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I wouldn't suggest for a moment that our forces are all of a single political view.

Really? Seems like you pretty much did, above. If we all misunderstood, then ignore my comments. Be well.

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RE: Libyans protest against Islamic extremist militias. - 9/22/2012 2:54:38 PM

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I say guns, you assign, "military."

Yep. That's gonna be piss-poor communication.

Oh, well.

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RE: Libyans protest against Islamic extremist militias. - 9/22/2012 3:02:21 PM

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I say guns, you assign, "military."

Yep. That's gonna be piss-poor communication.

Oh, well.

Given that this thread is about LIBYA, what else would you possibly mean? What other guns, in whose hands, could you possibly be referring to that would have any bearing on our policies in the Middle East? I'm not the only one on this thread who interpreted your statement as referring to the military.

If your comment is some comment about the Second Amendment, that's all well and good, but that isn't what I was referring to in my original comment about the religious right. Again, as I read it, this post is about LIBYA, and that's what I'm talking about. I was making a comparison between the religious right both here, in Libya, and in the rest of the world to say that moderates everywhere need to unite. Again, the post is about Libyan support for America from moderate Libyans.

If you have some discussion you want to make about gun ownership in America, please feel free to start your own thread. Not sure what that has to do with moderates supporting the U.S. in Libya, but, hey, whatever.

Again, be well.

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RE: Libyans protest against Islamic extremist militias. - 9/22/2012 3:07:16 PM

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Well as hell, FTP.

Have a nice day.

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RE: Libyans protest against Islamic extremist militias. - 9/22/2012 5:00:40 PM

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And what makes you automatically think the guns that safeguard the rights of all Americans are all in the hands of the military?

The handgun you keep in your nightstand or the rifle in my closet aren't doing jack shit to protect our security in the Arab world. When we're talking about militias in Libya, that stuff just isn't relevant.

And frankly, I'm not sure it's ever all that relevant - the only times I can think of that anybody's rights in this country were secured at the point of a gun, it was the Army or National Guard holding the gun. I do think people should be allowed to own guns, but I don't pretend that a bunch of middle-aged homeowners with shotguns and rifles are going to be any deterrent if the most powerful military in the world decides to turn tyrant. And they're certainly not going to be any help in securing our embassy in Libya.

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RE: Libyans protest against Islamic extremist militias. - 9/22/2012 5:04:26 PM

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For those who still think all Muslims are terrorists.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-22/libyans-storm-militia-base-in-benghazi/4275308

I think that's really great. Hopefully this sentiment will spread, and people all over the Arab world start to fight back more against violent fundamentalism.

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RE: Libyans protest against Islamic extremist militias. - 9/22/2012 5:06:05 PM

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My thought on the topic as well Grace.

Why some wish to knock it when it happens is beyond me.

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RE: Libyans protest against Islamic extremist militias. - 9/23/2012 12:03:03 AM

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A show of support for America in the Middle East! Yay!

It was pleasing to see the people of Benghazi reject and expel the fanatics. While it must be tempting to interpret this as a show of support for the USA and its policies, my feeling is that this interpretation of events is a bit rash. There's an awful lot of ground between rejecting the mindless violence of Islamist fundamentalists and expressing pro-American support.

At the moment there is a common interest between the Libyan people and Western powers in defeating Islamist fundamentalism. The USA and the West has generated some positive points with Libyans as we supported their revolution against Ghaddafi. This provides a platform on which future policies that benefit both may evolve. It's a long and tortuous route from here to an alliance of any sort. Libyans have many more options open to them than a simplistic duality of Islamic fundamentalism or Western alliance. Most Arab/Muslim nations have long and painful memories of Western colonialism.

The door is now open, which hasn't been the case in the past. It will take a lot of careful listening and dialogue on both sides before any talk of alliance is justified. And we need to remember that the door can be slammed closed at any stage if either side puts a foot wrong.

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