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RE: Rapist sues for parental rights - 8/30/2012 7:00:54 PM

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So she can sue for child support, right?

Yes of course.

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RE: Rapist sues for parental rights - 8/30/2012 7:01:07 PM

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That's an interesting point - if a man can get his parental rights taken away because he was found guilty of rape, is he still obligated to pay child support? I think he should be.

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RE: Rapist sues for parental rights - 8/30/2012 7:02:05 PM

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So what does your average legitimate rapist earn a year?

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RE: Rapist sues for parental rights - 8/30/2012 7:02:49 PM

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I have not looked it up, but the label "men who father through rape" to me implies conviction. Otherwise, who's to say it was a rape?

The man who raped the author was not charged and therefore is not a convicted rapist.

I can sympathize with women not wanting to go through the court system after being raped...but don't think they are still entitled to the same protections they would have been extended had there been a conviction.

If the man in the story was not charged, then in the eyes of the law he is not a rapist. Do you think in his court papers he checked the "Rapist" box to identify himself?

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RE: Rapist sues for parental rights - 8/30/2012 7:04:19 PM

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So what does your average legitimate rapist earn a year?

You are confusing me with someone who believes in the vile concept of "legitimate rape." But thanks for the segue:

Parody video: Pharmaceutical ad for 'legitimate rape' contraceptive

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RE: Rapist sues for parental rights - 8/30/2012 7:16:02 PM

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If the man in the story was not charged, then in the eyes of the law he is not a rapist. Do you think in his court papers he checked the "Rapist" box to identify himself?

Right, it seems to me like the author wants the protection of the law without going through the steps to establish the legal classification of rapist.

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RE: Rapist sues for parental rights - 8/30/2012 7:19:54 PM

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Well, to be fair, he'd have to join the Rapists Union, put in the required practical rape hours, and pass the Certified Rapist Exam.

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RE: Rapist sues for parental rights - 8/30/2012 7:32:56 PM

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If the man in the story was not charged, then in the eyes of the law he is not a rapist. Do you think in his court papers he checked the "Rapist" box to identify himself?

Right, it seems to me like the author wants the protection of the law without going through the steps to establish the legal classification of rapist.

As we all know, most rapists get away with it, and chances are there will be nothing the mother can do in such a case to strip the father of his parental rights should he pursue the matter.

Another thing to keep in mind is that people tend to hurl every type and manner of accusation at each other when battling over child custody. Just because a mother declares she was raped after being served with court papers doesn't necessarily mean it happened.

Taking these questions one step further, though, I have started to ponder the following:

Let's say the state declines to charge a rapist due to a lack of proof beyond a reasonable doubt... or, the state does prosecute but he beats the rap. I wonder how many female rape victims file civil suits seeking damages for assault and battery?

In reality I doubt there are too many, because the likely cost (second round of emotional trauma) probably exceeds the likely benefits (judgment against a guy who is probably a deadbeat and can't pay anyhow). But if a woman who mothered a child of rape happened to win a civil judgment against the father, would it carry any weight in family court insofar as custody? Fun research question for a rainy day.

Certainly any time a woman can demonstrate to a court that a man is dangerous to her, she should be able to procure a restraining order. However, such a restraining order would apply only to her unless she can specifically show that this guy is also dangerous to her child.

I still doubt that even a criminally convicted rapist (once out of prison) will not be granted some sort of custody and/or visitation rights absent a showing that he is just too damned dangerous. You'd be surprised how high a bar that is in many courts. Ask me how I know.

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RE: Rapist sues for parental rights - 8/30/2012 11:31:03 PM

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Sometimes I wonder if this society is worth saving. What judge would ever rule that contact with a rapist is in the best interest of a child?

You fucking said it. Let them start this war, attack Iran and have Russia and China get into it, world war three. It will destroy the USA even if it wins. the money will devalue so that it will take a wheelbarrel full to buy a loaf of bread. Bomb baby bomb.

And we will become the new Nazis, because that shit is PRECISELY what enabled Hitler to come onto power.

Who will be our Hitler ? Some evangelist ? Perhaps a movie star. Or a pitcher or quarterback ?

Where the fuck is my passport, I think I want to be around people with brains. That will obviously require travel across the ocean. No question about it.

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RE: Rapist sues for parental rights - 8/31/2012 2:47:26 AM

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You may wonder why that post is relevant. Fact is in times like that, strife and all that shit, paternity means jack shit. Three kids are moving around therefore they can work, The up to fives go to the kitchen, they might even enjoy it, up from there to twelve the go to reload ammo, they will LOVE that, if not we just show them what they are doing. Older than that they go out there and shoot. And of course farm.

Yeah, we can use those kids. Or if you just make it so that rape babies automatically go in the army, it solves a shitload of problems in one fell swoop. And if you raise them with no skills except shootin, they won't feel so bad when they get scattered about the field, in a manner of speaking.

Anyway, getting out of my rant....

How much child support does this punk pay ? From prison ? Or is he out now, like three months and then shock parole. It wouldn't shock me, I have known some of the biggest drug dealers in this state and non of them ever did more than a year over it. Some did a bunch more time but that was for killing people and shit. Don't kill people if you can avoid it because you can get like ten or fifteen years for that shit if they catch you.

I know a dude killed a MF by accident, really, but the problem was he showed up at the dudes house with a loaded gun and shot him with it. These people just don't understand that it was an accident. Oh well, he about runs the place now along with the Aryan Brotherhood. I guess they're doing alright.

Anyway just for fun, to get to the main topic here ? I would make the rapist sign a will, and then he would have an accident. Accidentally shot twelve times in the face, I swear. Cops around here would buy it. Tell you what, I bet a 50% chance I could make that happen in a place where I know nobody.

That is the difference between me and a whole lot of people.

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RE: Rapist sues for parental rights - 8/31/2012 2:52:55 PM

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Sometimes I wonder if this society is worth saving. What judge would ever rule that contact with a rapist is in the best interest of a child?

You fucking said it. Let them start this war, attack Iran and have Russia and China get into it, world war three. It will destroy the USA even if it wins. the money will devalue so that it will take a wheelbarrel full to buy a loaf of bread. Bomb baby bomb.

And we will become the new Nazis, because that shit is PRECISELY what enabled Hitler to come onto power.

Who will be our Hitler ? Some evangelist ? Perhaps a movie star. Or a pitcher or quarterback ?

Where the fuck is my passport, I think I want to be around people with brains. That will obviously require travel across the ocean. No question about it.

Weed

and what happens when the debt collector (banks) come to collect the bils and yer pockets are empty? what do they do to you? Why would it be any different with a government again? Well with the exception of not disturbing the peace so it would be behind closed doors so peeps are non the wiser? thats right REPOTIME (just like in 1868)

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