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Ryan Less Popular Than Palin...... - 8/13/2012 9:05:48 PM   
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http://www.nationalmemo.com/poll-paul-ryan-an-unpopular-pick-for-vp/


"Will Mitt Romney’s “bold choice” to pick Paul Ryan as his running mate be a true game-changer for the Republican campaign? According to a new USAT/Gallup poll, the answer appears to be no. While Ryan may have conservatives — especially Tea Partiers — over the moon, the general public does not share this enthusiasm.

42 percent of the 1,006 adults surveyed said they viewed Ryan as a “fair” or “poor” choice, compared to just 39 percent who said he was an “excellent” or “pretty good” choice. This makes Romney’s decision to tap Ryan the least popular vice presidential pick since George H.W. Bush selected Dan Quayle in 1988."


Wow......being compared to Dan Quayle.....ouch!


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RE: Ryan Less Popular Than Palin...... - 8/14/2012 12:09:40 AM   
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Last Friday Laura Ingraham said that Romney is losing the election. She said that if the election were held on Friday, Romney would lose.

On Saturday, Romney announced Ryan as his running mate.

Ryan was the only obvious choice given that the base of the Republican party does not quite trust Romney; they were not thrilled about Romney being the nominee. Sure he had enough supporters to win the nomination but not the base of the party--as seen by Ron Paul supporters taking over many state parties and nearly getting enough delegates to get on ballot at the convention himself--which is what Paul's campaign was about.

Paul Ryan is a tea party favorite. He excites the base, perhaps even more so than Palin. He's charismatic, where Romney is stiff. And Ryan seems to believe everything he says. He's a good public speaker. Though I disagree with most of what he says, I enjoy listening to him. And Romney's campaign needed that kind of energy.

The trouble is, that kind of energy will not translate into a win in November. The nominee is supposed to fire up the base, especially when that nominee is up against an incumbent president who is viewed as marginally as Obama--even his supporters are unhappy with many of his policies. The Republican nominee shouldn't be having such a hard time of it this time around given the bad economy, the ACA half of America doesn't understand and the other half doesn't think went far enough, Obama's failure to effectively deal with an intransigent Congress--and yes, I do view it as a failure on Obama's part that Congress has done virtually nothing the past 2 years--among other things.

But Ryan will bring Romney few votes he didn't already have. Ryan might lock in some of the strict Catholic vote, but most of them are conservative, anti abortion, anti gay marriage any way. They may have had reservations about voting for a Mormon which the Ryan pick puts them at ease about, but most of them probably would have held their noses and voted for Romney anyway. Just has the Fundies will do.

Ryan does nothing to pick up the woman's vote (which Obama largely has), the minority voters (also in Obama's column), the elder vote and those approaching middle age--with his desire to change Medicare. I'm 50 and though in decent health, I do bipolar disorder. Not only that, but my mother passed at age 68 from pancreatic cancer, had diabetes and other health issues that are considered to "run in families". Do I really want to vote for somebody who would dismantle guaranteed medical coverage in my retirement and force me into the world of for-profit coverage at my age? Ryan promises that "voucher-system" would affect anybody 55 and younger.

Oh...

Laura Ingraham's Friday's talk:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/08/laura-ingraham-romneys-losing-131662.html

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RE: Ryan Less Popular Than Palin...... - 8/14/2012 5:51:56 AM   
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Palin haz tits. Ryan doesnt.

Nuff said

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RE: Ryan Less Popular Than Palin...... - 8/14/2012 6:31:03 AM   
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Last Friday Laura Ingraham said that Romney is losing the election. She said that if the election were held on Friday, Romney would lose.
On Saturday, Romney announced Ryan as his running mate.
Ryan was the only obvious choice given that the base of the Republican party does not quite trust Romney; they were not thrilled about Romney being the nominee. Sure he had enough supporters to win the nomination but not the base of the party--as seen by Ron Paul supporters taking over many state parties and nearly getting enough delegates to get on ballot at the convention himself--which is what Paul's campaign was about.
Paul Ryan is a tea party favorite. He excites the base, perhaps even more so than Palin. He's charismatic, where Romney is stiff. And Ryan seems to believe everything he says. He's a good public speaker. Though I disagree with most of what he says, I enjoy listening to him. And Romney's campaign needed that kind of energy.
The trouble is, that kind of energy will not translate into a win in November. The nominee is supposed to fire up the base, especially when that nominee is up against an incumbent president who is viewed as marginally as Obama--even his supporters are unhappy with many of his policies. The Republican nominee shouldn't be having such a hard time of it this time around given the bad economy, the ACA half of America doesn't understand and the other half doesn't think went far enough, Obama's failure to effectively deal with an intransigent Congress--and yes, I do view it as a failure on Obama's part that Congress has done virtually nothing the past 2 years--among other things.
But Ryan will bring Romney few votes he didn't already have. Ryan might lock in some of the strict Catholic vote, but most of them are conservative, anti abortion, anti gay marriage any way. They may have had reservations about voting for a Mormon which the Ryan pick puts them at ease about, but most of them probably would have held their noses and voted for Romney anyway. Just has the Fundies will do.
Ryan does nothing to pick up the woman's vote (which Obama largely has), the minority voters (also in Obama's column), the elder vote and those approaching middle age--with his desire to change Medicare. I'm 50 and though in decent health, I do bipolar disorder. Not only that, but my mother passed at age 68 from pancreatic cancer, had diabetes and other health issues that are considered to "run in families". Do I really want to vote for somebody who would dismantle guaranteed medical coverage in my retirement and force me into the world of for-profit coverage at my age? Ryan promises that "voucher-system" would affect anybody 55 and younger.
Oh...
Laura Ingraham's Friday's talk:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/08/laura-ingraham-romneys-losing-131662.html


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/erskine-bowles-praises-paul-ryan-budget-plan-video-003642883.html

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    "I'm telling you, this guy is amazing. I always thought I was OK with arithmetic. This guy can run circles around me," Bowles tells a class of students at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
    "He is honest, he is straightforward, he is sincere. And the budget he came forward with is just like Paul Ryan. It is a sensible, straightforward, honest, serious budget and it cut the budget deficit just like we did by four trillion dollars."


Too bad Ryan's budget is getting short-shrifted and twisted around.

Ryan is a very solid choice. He is well spoken and articulate. He will easily stand up to the media and put them in their places. Ryan was someone I was hoping would run for President, having no illusions that Ron Paul would never get the nomination.

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RE: Ryan Less Popular Than Palin...... - 8/14/2012 6:37:25 AM   
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Too bad Ryan's budget is getting short-shrifted and twisted around.

So, his budget didnt slash everything and anything and beef up military spending?

Give us the long shrift without twist.

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RE: Ryan Less Popular Than Palin...... - 8/14/2012 6:40:18 AM   
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He was bush/cheney rubber stamp......and gets ALLLL that credit.......errrrrrr blame.....solidly.


He can spin and whine about the media all he wants but he`ll NEVER be able to fool folks that his planned cuts in Medicare/Medicaid, are anything but cuts.

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RE: Ryan Less Popular Than Palin...... - 8/14/2012 6:51:39 AM   
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Palin haz tits. Ryan doesnt.

Nuff said


And if them tits couldnt win an election they were unelectable, and I don't see Willard and Ryan showing their penises to the girls is gonna get them alot of pussy either.

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RE: Ryan Less Popular Than Palin...... - 8/14/2012 8:03:14 AM   
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Just goes to show ya . . . two Rights make a Wrong.

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RE: Ryan Less Popular Than Palin...... - 8/14/2012 8:09:07 AM   
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An oldie, but goodie:



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RE: Ryan Less Popular Than Palin...... - 8/14/2012 8:12:32 AM   
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An oldie, but goodie:



Made me think of DYB. He always did wanna do Palin.

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RE: Ryan Less Popular Than Palin...... - 8/14/2012 8:30:11 AM   
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Oh, Palin is totally fuckable. And given the wife-swapping rumors, my understanding is that it's not unachievable.

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RE: Ryan Less Popular Than Palin...... - 8/14/2012 10:33:52 AM   
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Ryan is a very solid choice. He is well spoken and articulate. He will easily stand up to the media and put them in their places.


Oh? And just what exactly is their 'place'?

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RE: Ryan Less Popular Than Palin...... - 8/14/2012 11:27:16 AM   
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Oh, Palin is totally fuckable. And given the wife-swapping rumors, my understanding is that it's not unachievable.


Yeah, but you'd have to keep her from talking.


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RE: Ryan Less Popular Than Palin...... - 8/14/2012 11:29:40 AM   
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Oh, Palin is totally fuckable. And given the wife-swapping rumors, my understanding is that it's not unachievable.


Yeah, but you'd have to keep her from talking.



nail that jelly with the ol' tree, know whadda mean?

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RE: Ryan Less Popular Than Palin...... - 8/14/2012 12:05:20 PM   
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RE: Ryan Less Popular Than Palin...... - 8/14/2012 12:08:04 PM   
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RE: Ryan Less Popular Than Palin...... - 8/14/2012 3:07:52 PM   
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Too bad Ryan's budget is getting short-shrifted and twisted around.
So, his budget didnt slash everything and anything and beef up military spending?
Give us the long shrift without twist.


$178B was cut from military waste.... $100B of that went towards the troops, and $78B went towards deficit reduction.

The tax adjustments to take us to two brackets, 10% and 25%, also included - not that it will be reported on or stated in any anti-Romney/Ryan advertisement - loophole reductions. With regards to the loophole reductions and tax cuts, his bill was revenue neutral.

But, your side will never take anything into account in toto. It's always one thing that gets repeated over and over and over without the full story coming out. I'm not going to pretend that it's not the same stupid game played by R's, either.

Did you watch the vid I linked? A Democrat that was in Clinton's Administration praised Paul Ryan's budget. This was the guy that Obama even tapped to be the Democrat leader of the Debt Commission. That guy. He almost seemed to be crushing on Ryan.

But, you know, whatever. You'll likely continue your shell games and only show what you want seen. Don't worry. I understand.

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RE: Ryan Less Popular Than Palin...... - 8/14/2012 3:11:35 PM   
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Ryan is a very solid choice. He is well spoken and articulate. He will easily stand up to the media and put them in their places.

Oh? And just what exactly is their 'place'?



Not leading the "Elect a Democrat" campaign. He knows his shit and won't get conned by any of the media. His debate with Biden is going to be delightful. Ol' Joe is going to get his nutsack handed to him.

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RE: Ryan Less Popular Than Palin...... - 8/14/2012 3:16:24 PM   
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178b cut from waste and going to the troops.    ok rev neutral and 78b to debt.  thats two months.

where is this detail budget, I need to read it, cuz I have never seen that one.

Yeah, erskine bowles aint somebody that I need to take alot of faith in.  I think Saddam Hussein and St. Wrinklemeat were buddies, so why didn't you like him?

Illegitimate appeal to authority, or supposed groupings isnt fact.

So, give me a link to the budget from the .gov website (full text) cuz that ain't the one I read over there.

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RE: Ryan Less Popular Than Palin...... - 8/15/2012 7:26:23 AM   
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Hey, you got that actual budget detail yet?  You seem to lead us to believe you are quoting from it.



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