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Real0ne -> Doctor Control -v- Gun Control (8/13/2012 11:04:24 AM)



Doctor Control -v- Gun Control


Yep


When will we get FDA, doctor, pharmaceutical control?

The real problem in america NOT gun control





atursvcMaam -> RE: Doctor Control -v- Gun Control (8/13/2012 12:20:36 PM)

That is taken care of in ObamaCare, isn't it?




Rule -> RE: Doctor Control -v- Gun Control (8/13/2012 12:35:07 PM)

I think that it is a very good idea to extradite all physicians and to prohibit all medication except for vitamin C and insulin, and to prohibit the use of cars for personal use.

Instead put all that money saved into biology research.




SternSkipper -> RE: Doctor Control -v- Gun Control (8/13/2012 1:34:14 PM)

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I think that it is a very good idea to extradite all physicians and to prohibit all medication except for vitamin C and insulin, and to prohibit the use of cars for personal use.

Instead put all that money saved into biology research.


Heh ... yeah, we'll need a replacement species.




DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Doctor Control -v- Gun Control (8/13/2012 1:44:40 PM)

Gawd! Tinfoil isn't enough any more. Some people need to upgrade to stainless steel, or perhaps titanium.
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joether -> RE: Doctor Control -v- Gun Control (8/13/2012 2:36:35 PM)

This is just silly 'conspiracy theory' propaganda.

If the FDA does so badly, should we not regulated it even more (like Democrats would like to do) or remove it (like Republicans desire)? Which would bring about....less....deaths from drugs? Of course, that assumes the majority of drugs being issued were for accurate information being given to the medical doctor, issuing out the perscription. If the client is not 100% truthful over the reasons for the injury/illness, that can effect the outcome of survivalibity just as much as the drugs.

Than there are those 'evil chemicals'....

An apple is nothing more than a grouping of chemicals. A pie is nothing more than a grouping of chemicals. A typical 'cola/coke' soft-drink is nothing more than a grouping of chemicals. A peanut is nothing more than a grouping of chemicals. And all of these things, generally had....additional....chemicals used to create them! But we should blame the FDA regulations that were reduced and eliminated by the GOP, and keep doing so as conservatives state; rather than wisely placing those regulations back in place and create additional rules.

Of course, what the video does not explain with drugs, is the conserably LARGER number of instances in which drugs have actually helped people by leaps and bounds to live better and more happy lives. After all, isnt that the matra by gun nuts and 2nd amendment freaks? That guns protect more than they kill?

783,936. That number is exactly, year after year killed by medicine (according to the video). That's right folks, in a year in which they come up 'under budget', they have to kill a few more people to hit that quote. In years in which their over the limit, they have to make a few cases 'disappear'. Anyone that actually....reads...The Report of Information that what is being explained and expressed is much different that the B.S., the video is pushing. In fact, this document could be a thread all on its own! What is really funny about this particular document? When reading the sentences, do you notice all those little numbers after some of the sentences? Those are reference numbers, right? Usually those are placed at the....END....of a document to show where the information came from and that the information was not that of the writers themselves. Howver, skipping to the 6th page and looking at the bottom of the webpage, one finds these references are not there. Doesnt that sound just 'alittle' curious? As most find with the concept of Climate Change, there are scientists who are not as scruplous and will take $50K under the table in addition to grant money to 'look the other way' if it benefits their patron. And conservatives in that case, latch on to those individuals and say "Ah! See, this person states Global Warming is a hoax!". Now, this document could be 'legit' and it could be 'questionable at best'. Hence, when it could make for a good thread all on its own...

6200%. Another fantasically odd number this video gives. And its basically created to scare you into believing that guns are safe and medical doctors, hospitals, nurses, and drugs will more likely kill you. How likely is a firearm to protect yourself from cancer? Verse say that of a medical doctor, trained to deal with such a deadily issue? The medical doctor is much more likely to explain that while different treatments have different success rates, they also come with certain amounts of risks attached. Most medical doctors are pretty up front about this stuff. However, mankind's knowledge of medicine isn't as exactly understood as 2+2=4. Likewise, you could be that 1 in 64 million that has a strange and totally unexpected reaction to a drug, set of drugs, a treatment plan, or just dumb bad luck. Again, medical doctors are experienced in their field, but they are not perfect at everything they do. How many gun shop owners will tell you that a particular gun your interested in, is used more often in fatal crimes and suicide? Or that those bullets on clearance had a higher percentage chance of doing something...really...bad to the gun or yourself when fired?

Thanks RO for giving us more tinfoil hat material from the fringes of society.






SternSkipper -> RE: Doctor Control -v- Gun Control (8/13/2012 4:10:54 PM)

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Gawd! Tinfoil isn't enough any more. Some people need to upgrade to stainless steel, or perhaps titanium


You know what is? A Childhood thing. Muppet milk is rich in urea.
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Real0ne -> RE: Doctor Control -v- Gun Control (8/13/2012 4:34:25 PM)

Drug deaths now outnumber traffic fatalities in U.S.,

While most major causes of preventable death are declining, drugs are an exception. The death toll has doubled in the last decade, now claiming a life every 14 minutes. By contrast, traffic accidents have been dropping for decades because of huge investments in auto safety.

Public health experts have used the comparison to draw attention to the nation's growing prescription drug problem, which they characterize as an epidemic. This is the first time that drugs have accounted for more fatalities than traffic accidents since the government started tracking drug-induced deaths in 1979.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/17/local/la-me-drugs-epidemic-20110918


http://commonground.ca/2012/01/prescription-drug-deaths/







Skeletons In The FDA's Closet
Approved Pharmaceutical Drugs Cause Death


It's time that the actions of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) speak for themselves and Americans began to question their own absorbent use and blind-loyalty to FDA approved drugs.

If not, you too may become a FDA statistic!

The FDA's financial ties to "Big-Pharma" have caused millions of preventable deaths over the last 30 years.

In 1996-97 the FDA approved a drug known as Posicor (a chemical called mibefradil dihydrochloride) for the treatment of high blood pressure (hypertension). Prior to approval, the data from the congestive heart failure trials presented at a FDA Advisory Committee meeting on Posicor showed that...

More patients treated with Posicor died than those taking a Placebo!

After its release for use by the public, 200 more Americans died from using Posicor as prescribed. It was finally removed from the market in 1998.




The FDA Exposed: An Interview With Dr. David Graham, the Vioxx Whistleblower

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/011401_Dr_David_Graham_the_FDA.html#ixzz23TFBiq4U

DR. GRAHAM: As currently configured, the FDA is not able to adequately protect the American public. It's more interested in protecting the interests of industry. It views industry as its client, and the client is someone whose interest you represent. Unfortunately, that is the way the FDA is currently structured. Within the Center for Drug Evaluation and Research about 80 percent of the resources are geared towards the approval of new drugs and 20 percent is for everything else. Drug safety is about five percent. The “gorilla in the living room” is new drugs and approval. Congress has not only created that structure, they have also worsened that structure through the PDUFA, the Prescription Drug User Fee Act, by which drug companies pay money to the FDA so they will review and approve its drug. So you have that conflict as well.

DR. GRAHAM: I'm really not at liberty to talk about things that pertain to my official duties at the FDA. I can talk in my private capacity, but I can't talk about material that would be confidential. What I can say is that there are a number of other scientists within the FDA who have also worked with drugs that they know are not safe, even though the FDA has approved or allowed them to remain on the market. They face some of the same difficulties that I do. The difference is that either the problem isn't as serious in terms of the numbers of people that were injured or that it's a fatal reaction – they're not willing to expose themselves to retaliation by the FDA - and retaliation would surely follow.

DR. GRAHAM: Prior to my Senate testimony in mid-November of 2004, there was an orchestrated campaign by senior level FDA managers to intimidate me so that I would not testify before Congress. This intimidation took several forms. One attack came from our acting Center Director who contacted the editor of the Lancet, the prestigious medical journal in the United Kingdom, and intimated to the editor that I had committed scientific misconduct and that they shouldn't publish a paper that I had written showing that Vioxx increases the risks of heart attack. This high-level FDA official never talked to me about this allegation. He just went directly to the Lancet.

DR. GRAHAM: The drug companies pay a substantial amount of money to the FDA at the time that they bring a drug application for approval in order for the FDA to review the drug. Basically it's a tax. It's a fee. Industry pays the fee, and the FDA will review the drug application. But the real expectation is from the company: “We've paid our money, now approve our drug.” That's basically how the FDA reacts as well.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/011401_Dr_David_Graham_the_FDA.html#ixzz23TGsdxym






Real0ne -> RE: Doctor Control -v- Gun Control (8/13/2012 4:37:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

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Gawd! Tinfoil isn't enough any more. Some people need to upgrade to stainless steel, or perhaps titanium


You know what is? A Childhood thing. Muppet milk is rich in urea.



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Rule -> RE: Doctor Control -v- Gun Control (8/13/2012 4:38:12 PM)

I can tell that you have never watched the television series House. In each episode the first six times out of seven House is wrong in his diagnosis.

My own experience with physicians is that they usually do not know what they are dealing with and that they treating it in the wrong way.

Last month I met a psychologist who asserted that one third of all diseases are iatrogenic, i.e. caused, maintained or exacerbated by physicians. In my opinion he was optimistic: I think that ninety percent of all diseases are iatrogenic.




mnottertail -> RE: Doctor Control -v- Gun Control (8/13/2012 4:38:15 PM)

as close as you will ever get to humans?




Real0ne -> RE: Doctor Control -v- Gun Control (8/13/2012 4:48:11 PM)


well you need to understand typical american politics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0O7_3o3BrI

ouuuu yeh!




Real0ne -> RE: Doctor Control -v- Gun Control (8/13/2012 5:29:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

Gawd! Tinfoil isn't enough any more. Some people need to upgrade to stainless steel, or perhaps titanium.
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Thankfully I am not a subscribing member to fucktards r us aye!





Doctors Kill 1 million Patients Annually through Surgical Errors






Medication Errors Harming Millions, Report Says

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By Marc Kaufman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, July 21, 2006

At least 1.5 million Americans are sickened, injured or killed each year by errors in prescribing, dispensing and taking medications, the influential Institute of Medicine concluded in a major report released yesterday.

Mistakes in giving drugs are so prevalent in hospitals that, on average, a patient will be subjected to a medication error each day he or she occupies a hospital bed, the report by a panel of experts said.

Following up on its influential 2000 report on medical errors of all kinds, the institute, a branch of the National Academies, undertook the most extensive study ever of medication errors in response to a request made by Congress in 2003 when it passed the Medicare Modernization Act.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/20/AR2006072000754.html






How many patients die each year in the U.S. due to preventable errors?

Death numbers vary widely, depending on the study and methodology:

Between 44,000 and 98,000 Americans die each year in U.S. hospitals due to preventable medical errors (Institute Of Medicine, 1999).


195,000 Americans die a year due to preventable errors (HealthGrades, 2004)

32,500 patients die as a result of preventable medical errors in U.S. hospitals. The HHS number was lower than the IOM study because it only examined deaths resulting from 18 specific types of medical injuries. (U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, 2003)

An estimated 15,000 Medicare patients die each month in part because of care they receive in the hospital, says a government study released today - 44% of these were deemed preventable errors (Department of Health and Human Services report, 2008, via USA Today).

In addition (conflicting numbers for infections, too):

99,000 patients die as a result of hospital-acquired infections (HAI) each year (AHRQ, 2009). The most common HAI agent is methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) (AHRQ, 2008).
90,000 die as a result of nosocomial (HAI) infections (CDC)

NOTE: Total deaths from errors and infections would be quoted as 99,000 plus one of the top three estimates.Hospital errors rank between the fifth and eighth leading cause of death, killing more Americans than breast cancer, traffic accidents or AIDS (IOM).Just one type of error—preventable adverse drug events—caused one out of five injuries or deaths per year to patients in the hospitals that were studied (AHRQ, 2000).

About 7,000 people per year are estimated to die from medication errors alone—about 16 percent more deaths than the number attributable to work-related injuries (Kaiser Family Foundation).

Investigators in a major study discovered that failures at the system level were the real culprits in over three-fourths of adverse drug events (AHRQ, 2000).

In nursing homes, infections contribute to 380,000 deaths per year, with costs reaching $2 billion. (CMS data).

How many patients are injured?

Errors like these are responsible for preventable injury in as many as 1 out of every 25 hospital patients (4% of hospitalizations) (AHRQ, 2000).

About 18 percent of patients were harmed by medical care, some more than once… 2.4 percent — caused or contributed to a patient’s death, the study found. (New York Times, 2010). – this corresponds to 155,000 deaths per year

About one in seven Medicare hospital patients — or about 134,000 of the estimated 1 million discharged in October 2008 — were harmed from medical care. Another one in seven experienced temporary harm because the problem was caught in time and reversed. (Department of Health and Human Services report, 2008, via USA Today).

Approximately 1.14 million total patient safety incidents occurred among the 37 million hospitalizations in the Medicare population from 2000 through 2002 – 3.1% of hospitalizations (HealthGrades, 2004).

They concluded that 1% of patients were negligently injured (Harvard study, 1990).

At least 1.5 million Americans are sickened, injured or killed each year by errors in prescribing, dispensing and taking medications, the influential Institute of Medicine concluded in a major report (Washington Post, 2006).

Approximately 1.3 million people are injured annually in the United States following so-called “medication errors” (FDA)

One in five Americans (22%) report that they or a family member have experienced a medical error of some kind (Commonwealth Fund, 2002).

Adverse drug events occur in 6.5 of 100 non-obstetrical admissions. 28% of these were deemed preventable. (Referenced in JAMA, 2009)

Adverse events (of any kind) occur in 4% to 14% of all admissions. 50% to 70% are due to preventable error. (JAMA, 2009)

Wrong-site surgeries occur in 1 per 112,994 nonspine operations. (JAMA, 2009)

A 2005 survey of 1527 randomly-selected patients resulted in 34% reporting having experienced a medical error in the last two years. (JAMA, 2009)

From The Connecticut Center for Patient Safety (“A Casualty Count”)

3% or more of hospital patients are hurt by medical error
1 in 300 patients die from such mistakes
24% of people say they or a family member have been harmed by medical error
90,000 people die of hospital-­‐acquired infections annually. More than half of these may be preventable. Healthgrades puts the number of preventable deaths at 200,000 annually.
55% of recommended care actually gets administered.
$2,000 Annual cost to employers per insured worker due to poor-­‐quality care
61% of doctors wash their hands before examining a patient if they know someone is watching. Only 44% wash their hands if they think no one is watching.

What does this cost?

The IOM report estimates that medical errors cost the Nation approximately $37.6 billion each year; about $17 billion of those costs are associated with preventable errors. About half of the expenditures for preventable medical errors are for direct health care costs (IOM, 1999).

Medication errors cost the U.S. $4 billion a year (Institute of Medicine, 2007)

Annual cost of medical errors that harm patients to be $17.1 billion in 2008 dollars. (Milliman Inc study, 2011)
How do we know these are “preventable?”

Forty-four percent of the adverse events could have been prevented with appropriate attention (Department of Health and Human Services report, 2008)

One of the landmark studies on medical errors indicated 70 percent of adverse events found in a review of 1,133 medical records were preventable; 6 percent were potentially preventable; and 24 percent were not preventable.

A study released last year, based on a chart review of 15,000 medical records in Colorado and Utah, found that 54 percent of surgical errors were preventable: http://www.ahrq.gov/qual/errback.htm

63.1 percent of the injuries were judged to be preventable (New York Times, 2010).

Is this just a problem in the United States?

The risk of dying in hospital as a result of medical error in the developed world is one in 300, Britain’s Chief Medical Officer warned (Guardian, 2006).










slvemike4u -> RE: Doctor Control -v- Gun Control (8/13/2012 5:39:49 PM)

5 minutes of my life I will never,ever get back.
Why,oh why do I do this to myself [X(]




Real0ne -> RE: Doctor Control -v- Gun Control (8/13/2012 5:43:19 PM)

probly because you care about the quality of health care




DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Doctor Control -v- Gun Control (8/13/2012 6:02:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Do you know what this is?

Everything you will ever need!

So...we ask you to explain your post and defend your statements, and you respond with this crude, childish semi-porn cartoon? Tell us, Blue Monkey Fir, why anyone should take you for anything more than a vulgar laughing-stock?
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SternSkipper -> RE: Doctor Control -v- Gun Control (8/13/2012 6:33:56 PM)

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Do you know what this is?


Something that demonstrates your gar gargantuan feelings of inadequacy maybe?

I wasn't talking to you, So why would I care what anti-gay hater crap you post, I'm het... try posting derogatory stuff aimed toward straight people. Maybe that'll work .. you had your big shot at fucking with me last friday when I was on the ropes about my friend.




SternSkipper -> RE: Doctor Control -v- Gun Control (8/13/2012 6:37:26 PM)

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probly because you care about the quality of health care


haHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAA

It sounds like Mike is reflecting on having read your 'article'.




Musicmystery -> RE: Doctor Control -v- Gun Control (8/13/2012 7:30:59 PM)

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Doctors Kill 1 million Patients Annually through Surgical Errors



UNICEF, WHO Report Says 1.5 Million Children Die Annually from Diarrhea

If you want to crusade, let's start there.




Real0ne -> RE: Doctor Control -v- Gun Control (8/13/2012 8:06:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Do you know what this is?

Everything you will ever need!

So...we ask you to explain your post and defend your statements, and you respond with this crude, childish semi-porn cartoon? Tell us, Blue Monkey Fir, why anyone should take you for anything more than a vulgar laughing-stock?
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yeh at least you are consistent SAFU

this is not a request

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

You know what is? A Childhood thing. Muppet milk is rich in urea.



where in that shit mess is a request to explain anything regarding the OP.

your post is delusional




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