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Owner59 -> RE: Mitt again... (8/8/2012 9:00:06 PM)

There are some severely misguided Americans who think making 100 million dollars from exporting a 100 thousand American jobs counts as success.


For Mittens maybe and his South American investors it is...........


But not for America and not for Americans.........


Do cons dumb themselves down on purpose or are they really missing the details?




Marini -> RE: Mitt again... (8/8/2012 9:49:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

There are some severely misguided Americans who think making 100 million dollars from exporting a 100 thousand American jobs counts as success.

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For Mittens maybe and his South American investors it is...........

But not for America and not for Americans.........

Do cons dumb themselves down on purpose or are they really missing the details?


Are we to consider those that send thousands of jobs out of this country hero's, as we attempt to CREATE NEW jobs for those that are unemployed?

What sort of twisted logic is this?




tj444 -> RE: Mitt again... (8/8/2012 10:10:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

There are some severely misguided Americans who think making 100 million dollars from exporting a 100 thousand American jobs counts as success.


well.. that excludes me then,..(whew!) since I am not an American so therefore can't be misguided.. [;)] [:D]

Ya know, I grew up (in Canada) and a ton of stuff sold there had then and still does today have "made in the US" on it so I find it hypocritical that the Americans want to sell stuff to consumers and businesses in other countries but then bash other countries when they do the same thing and sell stuff to US consumers and businesses.. [8|]




OsideGirl -> RE: Mitt again... (8/9/2012 8:10:36 AM)


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okay its not an elevator exactly, its a car lift that stacks the vehicles so you get more use in the same fooprint..

Actually, it's not. The plan is to build an underground garage that is the size of the current house and use the elevator to move the cars up to ground level.

Him building a big house is due to family gatherings and 5 kids, 18 grandkids and he is spending time there, many weekends and they had an easter egg hunt there.. even the previous owner said it was really only a 2 bedroom rather small house... the basement is supposed to be 3,600sq ft from what i read which is much more than the size of a 4 car garage so what you claim doesnt make sense.. and this article says it will be "a split-level four-car garage" (so sounds like 2 cars stacked over 2 cars in the same footprint of the present 2 car garage) and the reason for it is due to having a large family and the present garage being cramped with little street parking available.. So I am sure the neighbors prefer the garage with the lift rather than losing what little street parking there is.. so what some people see as him being out of touch and being ostentatious, is him trying to be a good neighbor by not taking up street parking and have a home big enough for his large family..

.. not that haters care about that.. [&:]


I don't really care about that. If I had that kind of money, I'd probably do the same thing. (BTW, he bought that house knowing it was too small, so the play that it's because his family is large, is just spin)

What I care about is that there were 300,000 properties that applied for a reduction of taxes. Common sense says the majority of the homes are middle class or lower, you know, the people who struggling to survive. 48% of those that have applied have not gotten an answer. Some of the homes have been on the list for a long time. But, yet Mitt has managed to get his reduced for the second time in 3 years.




tj444 -> RE: Mitt again... (8/9/2012 8:47:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

I don't really care about that. If I had that kind of money, I'd probably do the same thing. (BTW, he bought that house knowing it was too small, so the play that it's because his family is large, is just spin)

What I care about is that there were 300,000 properties that applied for a reduction of taxes. Common sense says the majority of the homes are middle class or lower, you know, the people who struggling to survive. 48% of those that have applied have not gotten an answer. Some of the homes have been on the list for a long time. But, yet Mitt has managed to get his reduced for the second time in 3 years.

My understanding from what i have read is that San Diego county automatically reassesses the following year after a decrease has been approved.. so I dont know that a second reduction was initiated by Romney.. I dont know about the 300,000 that you say havent gotten an answer.. Romney paid an appraiser to determine the value of his property and the appraiser said it was worth only 7.5 million, so if other people havent gotten an answer, perhaps that is why, perhaps they would have gotten an answer sooner if they had provided their own apprasial (but that does cost money of course, with no assurance of the appraised value or reduction outcome). It may be that if you have to wait for the county to value the property, then due to so many it might take a longer (I would doubt they would hire more people for that).. I read that he went thru the process like everyone else and that he didnt get preferential treatment & imo there is no reason for the county to treat him better or faster cuz people would be watching for that.. My understanding is that even tho Romney's appraiser said it was worth 7.5 million, the county reduced the value but not anywhere near that figure..

As I understand it, the main reason the Romney's bought that house was cuz they have a good long time friend that lives either next door (or in that cul-de-sac).. so likely when the property came up for sale, they told the Romneys about it and they bought it thinking to eventually reno/build a bigger home.. Of course they may have not known how long or what that entailed (especially being beachfront), how time consuming and convoluted a process it is with CA building departments.. the process and cost varies so much in the US.. Lots of people buy thinking they will add on or renovate or build to suit their needs so I dont find wanting to do that to be unusual at all.. My impression is that they bought it more due to proximity to their friend who they do lots of family things together with (like the easter egg hunt).. which if they are very close, i can understand..




DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Mitt again... (8/9/2012 10:59:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

There are some severely misguided Americans who think making 100 million dollars from exporting a 100 thousand American jobs counts as success.

[sm=applause.gif]

For Mittens maybe and his South American investors it is...........

But not for America and not for Americans.........

Do cons dumb themselves down on purpose or are they really missing the details?


Are we to consider those that send thousands of jobs out of this country hero's, as we attempt to CREATE NEW jobs for those that are unemployed?

What sort of twisted logic is this?


What sort of twisted logic turns a complaint into an endorsement?
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OsideGirl -> RE: Mitt again... (8/9/2012 11:12:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tj444

My understanding from what i have read is that San Diego county automatically reassesses the following year after a decrease has been approved.. so I dont know that a second reduction was initiated by Romney.. I dont know about the 300,000 that you say havent gotten an answer.. Romney paid an appraiser to determine the value of his property and the appraiser said it was worth only 7.5 million, so if other people havent gotten an answer, perhaps that is why, perhaps they would have gotten an answer sooner if they had provided their own apprasial (but that does cost money of course, with no assurance of the appraised value or reduction outcome). It may be that if you have to wait for the county to value the property, then due to so many it might take a longer (I would doubt they would hire more people for that).. I read that he went thru the process like everyone else and that he didnt get preferential treatment & imo there is no reason for the county to treat him better or faster cuz people would be watching for that.. My understanding is that even tho Romney's appraiser said it was worth 7.5 million, the county reduced the value but not anywhere near that figure..


He applied for the reduction and of course he didn't receive preferential treatment, I'm certain that he managed to get it twice in three years, when others can't get an answer once by sheer luck.

For the record: My friends mother works in the county tax assessors office, so ya know, it just might be possible that I have information that you don't.




tj444 -> RE: Mitt again... (8/9/2012 12:39:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

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My understanding from what i have read is that San Diego county automatically reassesses the following year after a decrease has been approved.. so I dont know that a second reduction was initiated by Romney.. I dont know about the 300,000 that you say havent gotten an answer.. Romney paid an appraiser to determine the value of his property and the appraiser said it was worth only 7.5 million, so if other people havent gotten an answer, perhaps that is why, perhaps they would have gotten an answer sooner if they had provided their own apprasial (but that does cost money of course, with no assurance of the appraised value or reduction outcome). It may be that if you have to wait for the county to value the property, then due to so many it might take a longer (I would doubt they would hire more people for that).. I read that he went thru the process like everyone else and that he didnt get preferential treatment & imo there is no reason for the county to treat him better or faster cuz people would be watching for that.. My understanding is that even tho Romney's appraiser said it was worth 7.5 million, the county reduced the value but not anywhere near that figure..


He applied for the reduction and of course he didn't receive preferential treatment, I'm certain that he managed to get it twice in three years, when others can't get an answer once by sheer luck.

For the record: My friends mother works in the county tax assessors office, so ya know, it just might be possible that I have information that you don't.


I never said he didnt get it reduced twice, what i said was that the second time it might have been an automatic thing that the county does on its own.

Imo, you are exaggerating things, it took him well over a year to get a final reassessment and he had to hire a lawyer and and file an amended appeal for 2009, it sounds like at the same time his lawyer filed one for 2010 probably due to the strict time limits to file appeals and since real estate was dropping like a lead balloon.. so imo he waited just as long as anyone else and he had to hire and pay a lawyer to boot.. sounds to me like they had just as much of a battle as anyone else and in the end, the reduction was no where near what the appraiser determined it to be.. And the county is legally required to complete each appeal within 2 years (unless the owner and county agrees to an extention).. so where is your proof or links that 300,000 people are still waiting for their 2009 and 2010 reassessment?

"Initially, the Romneys asked that their 2009 assessment, $12.24 million, be reduced to $6.8 million, maintaining that their home had lost about 45% of its value in the first seven months they owned it.
Thirteen months later, after hiring an attorney to guide them, the Romneys filed an amended appeal, contending the home had suffered a less-dramatic fall of 27.3%, to $8.9 million.
They also filed an appeal for the 2010 tax year, claiming the house had dropped further, to $7.5 million, 38.7% less than the home's assessed value.
For the 2011 tax year, the Romneys did not have to apply for a reduction, said Jeffrey Olson, division chief of assessment services for the assessor's office. The county is legally required to reassess a property automatically once it has been reduced.
Had the Romneys never applied for a reassessment, they may have received one anyway because San Diego County has taken what it calls a proactive approach to assessments after the real estate downturn.
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/05/nation/la-na-romney-property-tax-20120806




TheHeretic -> RE: Mitt again... (8/9/2012 6:10:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

He applied for the reduction and of course he didn't receive preferential treatment, I'm certain that he managed to get it twice in three years, when others can't get an answer once by sheer luck.

For the record: My friends mother works in the county tax assessors office, so ya know, it just might be possible that I have information that you don't.



Then have your friend tell his/her mother to quit gossiping, and get to processing.  She works for the people, and they are entitled to their money's worth from her.  Those alleged 300,000 would be enough they could vote the guy in charge out of office, if not recall his ass.  That's the sort of thing that should be a campaign issue for the County Assessor, should it not?  In fact, I know of a few reporters at the LA Times who absolutely eats shit like this up.  Just Google the paper for stories on Noguez or the City of Bell, and have her call.

One problem a lot of people run into is that they get suckered in by one of the many scammers, who will offer to get your property taxes reduced, for a fee of course, and then submit flawed or inaccurate paperwork, leaving the homeowners to whine, and usually blame the county.  The appeal is FREE.  I did mine by telephone, and have had the assessment reduced automatically since.





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