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MistressDarkArt -> Frustrated NEUTERED Cat...help!! (7/20/2012 11:03:43 PM)

I adopted my 7-year male cat from the pound three years ago, and think he wasn't neutered until then. He's still relentlessly yodeling for the ladies. I have no problem with his frequent pillow humping, but the incessant yowling both in the house and outside in his 'catiary' is driving my neighbors and I bonkers.

I heard there are medications (both Rx and homeopathic) that can help but wasn't able to find much useful info online. Anyone have experience with this? Advice appreciated!

ETA: He's not allowed to wander to fulfill his urges. There are too many dangers in my neighborhood.




Rule -> RE: Frustrated NEUTERED Cat...help!! (7/21/2012 5:41:01 AM)

Call in the dog whisperer.

Generally: distract his attention. Try to have his attention focused on something else, momentarily. Perhaps activate his hunting instinct?




kalikshama -> RE: Frustrated NEUTERED Cat...help!! (7/21/2012 6:45:30 AM)

If DuskyPearls doesn't find this thread on her own, cmail her with the question.

I think a picture of the catiary is in order :)

I think a friend would help with this - does he have a companion? Shouldn't need to be female - my ex's male cats dry humped the other males - the female would have chewed them up and spit them out.






DomKen -> RE: Frustrated NEUTERED Cat...help!! (7/21/2012 6:49:26 AM)

I adopted a similiar male many years ago. According to the vet at the time the seual behavior was not going to stop but over time it did decrease in frequency.

Always fix animals before they reach sexual maturity.




Caius -> RE: Frustrated NEUTERED Cat...help!! (7/21/2012 7:04:09 AM)

On occasion a neutered male cat will retain his sex drive even after the procedure if he was far enough into sexual maturity before hand. Usually the drive to mate eventually tapers off; that it hasn't done so in your cat at his age is very rare and I dare say you're stuck with the state of affairs if he's still hankering. As to the treatments you were specifically inquiring about, there are some options but in most cases the potential side-effects to general health far outweigh their benefit in behavioural modification; progesterones, for example, were once used to treat excessively violent behaviour associated with the mating drive, but have fallen out of use since their implication in increased rates of various metabolic and hormonal disorders has become known. I'm sure you agree diabetes or a damaged adrenal gland are high risks to take to stop even the most onerous yowling. I would advise even more caution with homeopathic remedies -- cats have a myriad of toxicological and allergen issues which are not immediately intuitive and obvious and there is little oversight of what goes into commercial homeopathic remedies. Mostly they are just ineffectual but many can be outright dangerous. Likewise, you should be extremely wary of any home-remedies you find proposed online. These days behavioural/environmental conditioning is usually recommended for correcting most annoyance behaviours, though I realize that's of limited use to you in the present context. You could always find him a queen in heat, of course, but this is a temporary fix at best and hardly a process you can be expected to go through every time he's a little randy. Above all I recommend this: talk to your vet before introducing any new substance to your cat's body; if you've put up with the yowling for four years I can safely presume you'd not risk his health in your search to correct this issue. As such, going to the internet on this one is not well-advised - leave this one to your vet, if it's really gotten to the point where you're past training. Also bear in mind that cats do make noise (even the distinctive male yowling), for reasons other than to voice their horniness. Your cat may be doing it just to voice his dissatisfaction at being kept inside period, to get attention or for still other reasons. Regardless, one approach of course would be to just play with him until he's worn out -- this may be easier than it sounds -- for a cat of seven years, the only tools you're likely to need are a piece of string and five spare minutes! There's also a automated variant on this trick -- a second cat, though of course that could just double your headaches. ;)




Duskypearls -> RE: Frustrated NEUTERED Cat...help!! (7/21/2012 8:05:14 AM)

You've got mail, Mistress.




angelikaJ -> RE: Frustrated NEUTERED Cat...help!! (7/21/2012 11:02:38 AM)

You may find that Feliway may help with territorial based behaviours.

I know that my vet has recommended Bachs Rescue remedy for stress... so that may help if any of his stuff is a stress response.
(They do make one for animals that is minus the alcohol, but at the time when the vet recommended it she was not concerned about a dropper full into the water bowl- they did not make a non-alcohol version then)




MistressDarkArt -> RE: Frustrated NEUTERED Cat...help!! (7/21/2012 11:20:50 AM)

Thank you, everyone. If it helps, a little more info. Yoga (the yowler) has two (unrelated) brothers. The three are completely compatible and nobody seems to be the alpha; they eat, play, sleep together and groom each other. They have full 24/7 access to their catiary which as you can see has perches and plenty of room to climb and chase each other around as well as check out what's going on in the yard. Honestly, I'd like to come back in my next life as one of my cats. [8D]

PS: Thank you for the info, Dusky :-)

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angelikaJ -> RE: Frustrated NEUTERED Cat...help!! (7/21/2012 1:22:57 PM)

Even if there are no Alpha issues there, since the catiary is enclosed with screening to the outdoors, he may be picking up smells from other Toms in the area.




PowerXXXchange -> RE: Frustrated NEUTERED Cat...help!! (7/21/2012 2:10:40 PM)

Good point from angelikaJ about cat odors! It's a special knowlege not many folks would so readily admit to. (I'm guilty as well.)

In our neighborhood apparently all space is claimed and owned by one cat or another. My neutered male is outside daytimes. When I first let him out he promptly walks the perimeter of his territory sniffing a series of points (foundation corners, strategically positioned trees, fence ends) to make sure no other cat has urologically over-marked his claim.

Please don't ask me how I feel stalking a male cat at 6 am in my neighbor’s back yard!

If your cats are in at night and rarely outside the cattery during the day, could the corners of the cattery be sprayed by a challenging cat claiming your back yard? Then when your cats re-enter they might have a need to re-establish their dominant ownership.

Note: Both male and female cats spray as territorial markings. Someday I may make a cat plat map of my neighborhood.

PxC, who is wondering why he posted this.




angelikaJ -> RE: Frustrated NEUTERED Cat...help!! (7/21/2012 3:09:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: PowerXXXchange

Good point from angelikaJ about cat odors! It's a special knowlege not many folks would so readily admit to. (I'm guilty as well.)

In our neighborhood apparently all space is claimed and owned by one cat or another. My neutered male is outside daytimes. When I first let him out he promptly walks the perimeter of his territory sniffing a series of points (foundation corners, strategically positioned trees, fence ends) to make sure no other cat has urologically over-marked his claim.

Please don't ask me how I feel stalking a male cat at 6 am in my neighbor’s back yard!

If your cats are in at night and rarely outside the cattery during the day, could the corners of the cattery be sprayed by a challenging cat claiming your back yard? Then when your cats re-enter they might have a need to re-establish their dominant ownership.

Note: Both male and female cats spray as territorial markings. Someday I may make a cat plat map of my neighborhood.

PxC, who is wondering why he posted this.


A cat's sense of smell is said to be 14 times stronger than ours.
A neighboring cat need not actually mark the kitty chateau to register there's Eau Du Tom in the area.




Caius -> RE: Frustrated NEUTERED Cat...help!! (7/21/2012 10:21:40 PM)

A tom is unlikely to be the source of his caterwauling though, since domestic cats tend not to vocalize aggression until they are face-to-face with a perceived threat. More likely, if it is indeed an olfactory queue setting him off, it's a female in estrus. Anyway, and not to split the hair too thin here, but those whole "animal X has a sense that is twenty times more 'powerful' than animal Y" are generally inaccurate descriptions; the more complete picture is that various species have senses of smell which are calibrated differently with regard to variant odors, as per their needs. Cats do have a large olfactory membrane in their nose though, so they are highly sensitive to many smells within their range -- why their spray has to remain so pungent despite this is, I suspect, just one of nature's cruel little jokes. ;)

To the OP, the cat run obviously has enough room for all three of your guys, but for a male who's maintained a tom's disposition, it might still feel cramped. If he can be trusted not to make a flight for freedom (and pussy -- pun totally intended), taking him out into the yard to play while you're around probably couldn't hurt; but I'm sure you probably do this regularly anyway. Also, I should have noted from the start that yowling of this sort can also be a sign of discomfort that is quite separate from sexual frustration or even a sign of pain. With three cats and having dealt with this behaviour for years, I presume you're generally able to tell the difference, but I'd be remiss if I didn't point it out all the same.




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