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RE: New Article by Bill McKibben about global warming -... - 7/21/2012 5:30:00 AM   
LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
I wasn't spouting anything. You need to take a chill pill.

I simply suggested there are multiple opinions, they are based on as many theories (some of which I mentioned), moreover, many people share many different variations of the above.

No. You claimed there were competing theories including that solar cycles was behind the present warming. I pointed out quite correctly that there was no such theory.
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several theories suggest it's a standard sun cycle period


You need to stop spouting made up nonsense. Otherwise I'll keep pointing out when you do.


How did I know I'd wake up to your blather?

Try taking some walks on the beach, some chamomile tea maybe, relax a little DK.

The sun will come up tomorrow.

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RE: New Article by Bill McKibben about global warming -... - 7/21/2012 3:23:21 PM   
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I'm wondering if anyone is willing to convince me that global warming is man made. I got half way through the article and got bored with it. It is a long article, but half way through it seemed to stop being informative.

Can anyone believe what politicians say? So they signed something. Does that make it a fact? Not necessarily. Perhaps you could argue the point in a non-existent world court.

I've heard that Mars is also experiencing global warming. How could that be? Is it sympathetic magick?

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RE: New Article by Bill McKibben about global warming -... - 7/21/2012 4:31:21 PM   
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I'm wondering if anyone is willing to convince me that global warming is man made. I got half way through the article and got bored with it. It is a long article, but half way through it seemed to stop being informative.

Can anyone believe what politicians say? So they signed something. Does that make it a fact? Not necessarily. Perhaps you could argue the point in a non-existent world court.

I've heard that Mars is also experiencing global warming. How could that be? Is it sympathetic magick?

The only way to 'prove' that global warming is manmade is similar to the way you'prove' that you should change the oil in your car.

Increased CO2 in a planetary atmosphere will lead to increased temperatures because of the photonic absorption curve of the gas.
Not changing oil will eventually lead to the engine siezing because of heat induced breakdown of the molecules and loss of lubricating power. Fortunately, most car owners take this on "faith" and change their oil.
If you wish to prove the point as it were, all you have to do is never change your oil and see what happens. Who knows, you might just prove that Quaker State is running a big ripoff. I eagerly await your experimental results.
To prove that AGW is total hokum, all we have to do is keep doing what we're doing for the next century or so. If a few billion people are displaced by drought, rising sea levels and changes in growing seasons, well damn, I guess we shoulda changed the oil.
Are we willing to take that chance?
Do you refuse to change your oil and take a chance on having to buy a new engine?

As for mars warming, you might want to check this.

The Sun's energy output has not increased since direct measurements began in 1978 (see Climate myth special: Global warming is down to the Sun, not humans). If increased solar output really was responsible, we should be seeing warming on all the planets and their moons, not just Mars and Pluto.

source. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11642-climate-myths-mars-and-pluto-are-warming-too.html

< Message edited by Hillwilliam -- 7/21/2012 4:43:36 PM >


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RE: New Article by Bill McKibben about global warming -... - 7/21/2012 4:31:43 PM   
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I'm wondering if anyone is willing to convince me that global warming is man made. I can't...all I can offer is...we can do better..others are insistent to prove one thing or another...most want to insist an opinion. Most (informed people) don't have one (an opinion). Most opinionated want you to believe theirs.. got half way through the article and got bored with it. It is a long article, but half way through it seemed to stop being informative.

Can anyone believe what politicians say? So they signed something. Does that make it a fact? Not necessarily. Perhaps you could argue the point in a non-existent world court.

I've heard that Mars is also experiencing global warming. How could that be? Is it sympathetic magick?


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RE: New Article by Bill McKibben about global warming -... - 7/21/2012 5:16:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

I'm wondering if anyone is willing to convince me that global warming is man made. I got half way through the article and got bored with it. It is a long article, but half way through it seemed to stop being informative.

Can anyone believe what politicians say? So they signed something. Does that make it a fact? Not necessarily. Perhaps you could argue the point in a non-existent world court.

I've heard that Mars is also experiencing global warming. How could that be? Is it sympathetic magick?

The only way to 'prove' that global warming is manmade is similar to the way you'prove' that you should change the oil in your car.

Increased CO2 in a planetary atmosphere will lead to increased temperatures because of the photonic absorption curve of the gas.
Not changing oil will eventually lead to the engine siezing because of heat induced breakdown of the molecules and loss of lubricating power. Fortunately, most car owners take this on "faith" and change their oil.
If you wish to prove the point as it were, all you have to do is never change your oil and see what happens. Who knows, you might just prove that Quaker State is running a big ripoff. I eagerly await your experimental results.
To prove that AGW is total hokum, all we have to do is keep doing what we're doing for the next century or so. If a few billion people are displaced by drought, rising sea levels and changes in growing seasons, well damn, I guess we shoulda changed the oil.
Are we willing to take that chance?
Do you refuse to change your oil and take a chance on having to buy a new engine?

As for mars warming, you might want to check this.

The Sun's energy output has not increased since direct measurements began in 1978 (see Climate myth special: Global warming is down to the Sun, not humans). If increased solar output really was responsible, we should be seeing warming on all the planets and their moons, not just Mars and Pluto.

source. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11642-climate-myths-mars-and-pluto-are-warming-too.html


Hill...stop using facts (please) to suggest that man may be contributing.

You're confusing the argument.

Several want to presume that man isn't contributing, others wants to argue that regardless of man's contribution, it shouldn't matter.

We should just continue bilging the universe, and of course that includes our intrusion into other places, here or elsewhere.

(You're really kind of fucking things up).

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RE: New Article by Bill McKibben about global warming -... - 7/21/2012 5:34:20 PM   
LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: DomKen
You need to stop spouting made up nonsense. Otherwise I'll keep pointing out when you do.


It's fascinating....even without facts....

"DK"...(it's almost phonetic....)


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RE: New Article by Bill McKibben about global warming -... - 7/23/2012 11:21:29 AM   
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I'm wondering if anyone is willing to convince me that global warming is man made. I got half way through the article and got bored with it. It is a long article, but half way through it seemed to stop being informative.


Or perhaps you have a rather short attention span.
Try reading it in steps and see if that helps.

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