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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/20/2012 8:02:48 AM

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Unitarian Universalism is a theologically liberal religion characterized by support for a "free and responsible search for truth and meaning".[1] Unitarian Universalists do not share a creed; rather, they are unified by their shared search for spiritual growth and by the understanding that an individual's theology is a result of that search and not obedience to an authoritarian requirement. Unitarian Universalists draw on many different theological sources and have a wide range of beliefs and practices.

Historically, both Unitarianism and Universalism have roots in the Christian faith. Contemporary Unitarian Universalism espouses a pluralist approach to religious belief, whereby members may describe themselves as atheist, agnostic, deist, monotheist, polytheist, or assume no label at all.

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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/20/2012 8:03:55 AM

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I kinda resent "Religion" here being assumed to be Christian.

Jews are typically liberal. And I don't think it's possible to be a Unitarian WITHOUT being liberal.

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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/20/2012 8:18:08 AM

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You two lads are cute when you do that little Abbott and Costello dance around the topic.

There are loads of conservatives in the hierarchy, which doesn't change anything I wrote, but the fact remains that both laity and clergy, Catholic and Protestant, and, obviously, yes, Jewish, have contributed a great deal to Liberalism. If some are afraid afraid to acknowledge it, fine.

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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/20/2012 9:12:23 AM

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You two lads are cute when you do that little Abbott and Costello dance around the topic.

There are loads of conservatives in the hierarchy, which doesn't change anything I wrote, but the fact remains that both laity and clergy, Catholic and Protestant, and, obviously, yes, Jewish, have contributed a great deal to Liberalism. If some are afraid afraid to acknowledge it, fine.

Don't understand why you are being so defensive. Was not denigrating the liberal contributions of the laity and individual clergy. However, I don't see how you can defend the hierarchy controlled by the conservatives, especially the current Pope. John Paul II was also very conservative, especially in quashing Liberation Theology in Latin America. Nor do you seem to recognize the anti-liberal postures of the American Bishops. Just calling it for what it is.

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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/20/2012 9:19:04 AM

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Well, Vincent, I was just disappointed that you couldn't acknowledge those points. No harm done.

Yes, both very conservative men, and yes, I wish Vatican 2 had it's own PAC, but there's lots going on, and Catholics just sidestep conservative bishops. It just doesn't get media play.

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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/20/2012 9:52:19 AM

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I kinda resent "Religion" here being assumed to be Christian.

Yeah I noticed that switch too. It really changes the topic.

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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/20/2012 11:25:18 AM

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I kinda resent "Religion" here being assumed to be Christian.

Jews are typically liberal. And I don't think it's possible to be a Unitarian WITHOUT being liberal.

Very true.
I've heard it suggested that certain monastic orders manage the whole communal living thing a lot better than most secular communes, and obviously that's something the kibbutzim in Israel have nailed as well.

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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/21/2012 6:27:22 AM

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For the most part, just check into the Episcopal Church....Organized Christian Religion, and tends to be very liberal, especially in views on acceptance of those who's sexual orientation is looked upon as un-Christian by other Christian denominations.

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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 8/5/2012 10:45:23 AM

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Love thy neighbor as thyself?

Naw. Liberal bullshit like that is incompatible with religion.

Yep. Clearly Jesus never cared about helping the poor, the sick, the elderly, people in prison. He was just joking when he talked about that.

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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 8/5/2012 12:13:38 PM

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Nineteen century abolitionists and suffragettes in the US were largely Christians or from
Christian backgrounds. Susan B Anthony's
father was a minister and abolitionist.
A great many people with progressive ideas
fell under the banner of Christian.

Dr King as mentioned. William Coffin Sloane.
Radical priests. That nun that did time with
Martha Stewart who was in for protesting
against nuclear weapons or some such.

There are liberal Christians and Christians
who are moderate or conservative Democrats.
Not all Christians are fundies. Not all
religious or spiritual people are Christians.

When I think of Jesus and his teachings
I don't think of Republican every man
for himself greed is good sucks to be you
Ayn Rand is a genius trickle down voodoo
economic Babbitry. You can't despise the
poor and the sick if you claim Jesus is
your savior. And can the sanctimonious
judgmental self righteousness he called
people on that shit to.

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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 8/7/2012 6:28:37 AM

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Progress is at the core of Christianity. The guy had a vision that his contemporaries couldn't see, but have been struggling towards ever since. Much like in Islam. And in both of those two, it has been common for politicians to latch on and make it into their own shit by asserting that their conservative and traditional minds would be better suited to grasping what that vision was than the people who are open to change. With every step, the next step becomes clear, and that's sort of the heart of it, which only people who are open to change can get.

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