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tazzygirl -> Simple math (7/19/2012 11:49:02 AM)

Ok.. lets duke it out over this.

Simple math tells us that when you have a shortage, you cut back on services you use, and you gain more income.

Seems pretty straight forward.

Yet, here we have people saying we need to offer tax breaks (cutting out income) while tightening up on services that really dont amount to much (like a half million in food stamps)

If we look at the US income and services amount.

We cut back on services by 0.003125% (500 million divided by 16 trillion).. and then you cut back on taxes (which is the income).

Exactly how does that work, mathematically?

WASHINGTON — The U.S. House rejected Rep. Betty McCollum's attempts to trim Department of Defense spending on sports sponsorships and military bands on Wednesday night.

The House defeated two McCollum-backed amendments meant to cut Defense spending by about $260 million. McCollum has pushed for similar spending cuts over the past year, but none have passed.

When it comes to sports sponsorships, McCollum wants to cut the $72.3 million the Pentagon uses to sponsor NASCAR teams, the Ultimate Fighting Championship, National Hot Rod Association drag racing and bass fishing tournaments. She teamed up with Georgia Republican Rep. Jack Kingston to push the cuts, but the House rejected them 202-216.

McCollum has questioned the recruiting effectiveness of Pentagon sports sponsorships (Kingston pointed to this USA Today article in which the National Guard said its Earnhardt sponsorship produced 24,800 interested potential recruits, but only 20 were qualified candidates and zero signed up), but objection to the bill, which came from a cast of southern Republicans during floor debate, centered on the ill effects of removing the Armed Services from the public eye by reducing its marketing budget.

"These sponsorships provide the ability to market and create branding opportunities and familiarity with the service branches in areas where market research shows that the target audience spends its time," Rep. Steven Palazzo (R-Miss.) said, calling NASCAR fans, "very patriotic, very pro-military fan base, and are extremely loyal to sponsors of teams and drivers. This is exactly who we want joining our U.S. military."



http://www.minnpost.com/dc-dispatches/2012/07/house-again-rejects-mccollums-pentagon-nascar-spending-cuts

This is but ONE example of the insanity of our government.

According to what I read here.. we NEED to cut millions from the hungry.. yet we NEED to keep suooprting a NASCAR team that the Pentagon doesnt even want anymore?

but the House rejected them 202-216.

I dont care who voted on this measure... its fucking insane.

So, what I want is someone to explain the insanity to me. Explain how, with all the hits to women, children and the poor, with the demands to prevent birth control and face a possible future of exploding polulation, anyone can accept the cuts to food stamps alone and back this crazy shit of supporting a racing car?

It will be interesting to see who dodges this question




vincentML -> RE: Simple math (7/19/2012 11:55:52 AM)

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So, what I want is someone to explain the insanity to me. Explain how, with all the hits to women, children and the poor, with the demands to prevent birth control and face a possible future of exploding polulation, anyone can accept the cuts to food stamps alone and back this crazy shit of supporting a racing car?


Well golly gee, yanno, the hungry are not job creators. Sheesh. [8|]




Lucylastic -> RE: Simple math (7/19/2012 11:56:42 AM)

Im makng my list:)
scum sucking ditch pigs




divi -> RE: Simple math (7/19/2012 11:57:29 AM)

lol tazzy you never change !




tazzygirl -> RE: Simple math (7/19/2012 12:14:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: divi

lol tazzy you never change !


LOL

You expected me too Divi doll?




Yachtie -> RE: Simple math (7/19/2012 12:21:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

If we look at the US income and services amount.

We cut back on services by 0.003125% (500 million divided by 16 trillion).. and then you cut back on taxes (which is the income).



16T? Huh?

No problem with cutting NASCAR out. Same should be done with NPR.




mnottertail -> RE: Simple math (7/19/2012 12:26:09 PM)

It was done with NPR.  Didn't happen to the republicans azealea collection though.




Yachtie -> RE: Simple math (7/19/2012 12:28:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

It was done with NPR.  Didn't happen to the republicans azealea collection though.



Whenever I see a military ad it makes me want to see STRIPES again[8D]




thompsonx -> RE: Simple math (7/19/2012 12:50:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

It was done with NPR.  Didn't happen to the republicans azealea collection though.



Whenever I see a military ad it makes me want to see STRIPES again[8D]



Does it make you want to join up?




tazzygirl -> RE: Simple math (7/19/2012 12:52:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

If we look at the US income and services amount.

We cut back on services by 0.003125% (500 million divided by 16 trillion).. and then you cut back on taxes (which is the income).



16T? Huh?

No problem with cutting NASCAR out. Same should be done with NPR.


That is the debt of this country, no?




Yachtie -> RE: Simple math (7/19/2012 12:56:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx - The name's Francis Soyer, but everybody calls me Psycho.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

It was done with NPR.  Didn't happen to the republicans azealea collection though.


Whenever I see a military ad it makes me want to see STRIPES again[8D]


Does it make you want to join up?


Lighten up, Francis.








KYsissy -> RE: Simple math (7/19/2012 12:58:04 PM)

It's like the V-22 Osprey. The military didn't want it and several attempts were made to kill the program. But when it means jobs (or payoffs if you prefer) in certain congressional districts, these things have a habit of sticking around. This isn't unique to either party.




Yachtie -> RE: Simple math (7/19/2012 12:59:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

If we look at the US income and services amount.

We cut back on services by 0.003125% (500 million divided by 16 trillion).. and then you cut back on taxes (which is the income).



16T? Huh?

No problem with cutting NASCAR out. Same should be done with NPR.


That is the debt of this country, no?


Debt, not income. Income is a wee bit less[;)] which pays for services unless debt is added too.




tazzygirl -> RE: Simple math (7/19/2012 1:07:39 PM)

We cut back on services by 0.003125% (500 million divided by 16 trillion).

Thats outlay, not income.

Simply math... you find ways to send out less, while bringing in more.

0.003% isnt a hell of a lot less outgoing, is it?

But it can have detrimental effects on many people.

Spending less on Nascar ( premium cable packages) would make up 14.5% of what they want to cut from Food stamps (the FS figure it a ball park from 2010).

Now, argue I am wrong.




thompsonx -> RE: Simple math (7/19/2012 1:10:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx - The name's Francis Soyer, but everybody calls me Psycho.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

It was done with NPR.  Didn't happen to the republicans azealea collection though.


Whenever I see a military ad it makes me want to see STRIPES again[8D]


Does it make you want to join up?


Lighten up, Francis.






Is that a yes or a no, pam?




thompsonx -> RE: Simple math (7/19/2012 1:21:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: KYsissy

It's like the V-22 Osprey. The military didn't want it and several attempts were made to kill the program.


The marines wanted it so bad they lied to keep it so it appears that some in the military wanted it.



quote:

But when it means jobs (or payoffs if you prefer) in certain congressional districts, these things have a habit of sticking around. This isn't unique to either party.



Have you some sort of creditable cite to validate this allegation?




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Simple math (7/19/2012 3:17:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Ok.. lets duke it out over this.

Simple math tells us that when you have a shortage, you cut back on services you use, and you gain more income.

Seems pretty straight forward.

Yet, here we have people saying we need to offer tax breaks (cutting out income) while tightening up on services that really dont amount to much (like a half million in food stamps)

If we look at the US income and services amount.

We cut back on services by 0.003125% (500 million divided by 16 trillion).. and then you cut back on taxes (which is the income).

Exactly how does that work, mathematically?

WASHINGTON — The U.S. House rejected Rep. Betty McCollum's attempts to trim Department of Defense spending on sports sponsorships and military bands on Wednesday night.

The House defeated two McCollum-backed amendments meant to cut Defense spending by about $260 million. McCollum has pushed for similar spending cuts over the past year, but none have passed.

When it comes to sports sponsorships, McCollum wants to cut the $72.3 million the Pentagon uses to sponsor NASCAR teams, the Ultimate Fighting Championship, National Hot Rod Association drag racing and bass fishing tournaments. She teamed up with Georgia Republican Rep. Jack Kingston to push the cuts, but the House rejected them 202-216.

McCollum has questioned the recruiting effectiveness of Pentagon sports sponsorships (Kingston pointed to this USA Today article in which the National Guard said its Earnhardt sponsorship produced 24,800 interested potential recruits, but only 20 were qualified candidates and zero signed up), but objection to the bill, which came from a cast of southern Republicans during floor debate, centered on the ill effects of removing the Armed Services from the public eye by reducing its marketing budget.

"These sponsorships provide the ability to market and create branding opportunities and familiarity with the service branches in areas where market research shows that the target audience spends its time," Rep. Steven Palazzo (R-Miss.) said, calling NASCAR fans, "very patriotic, very pro-military fan base, and are extremely loyal to sponsors of teams and drivers. This is exactly who we want joining our U.S. military."



http://www.minnpost.com/dc-dispatches/2012/07/house-again-rejects-mccollums-pentagon-nascar-spending-cuts

This is but ONE example of the insanity of our government.

According to what I read here.. we NEED to cut millions from the hungry.. yet we NEED to keep suooprting a NASCAR team that the Pentagon doesnt even want anymore?

but the House rejected them 202-216.

I dont care who voted on this measure... its fucking insane.

So, what I want is someone to explain the insanity to me. Explain how, with all the hits to women, children and the poor, with the demands to prevent birth control and face a possible future of exploding polulation, anyone can accept the cuts to food stamps alone and back this crazy shit of supporting a racing car?

It will be interesting to see who dodges this question


I'll be as interested in seeing thoughtful (not baseless) responses.

Stupid expenses are ridiculous...and...without validity.
NASCAR sponsorships (in my estimation) certainly fill that bill.

But, remember, if you're a concrete installer, every dollar that doesn't go out to a govt. employee (Nascar racer/coca cola seller, etc.) is one less dollar that (they) have to buy a new concrete deck in their backyard.

I'm a HUUUUUGE supporter of stopping waste but, every "wasted" dollar goes out to someone who spends money.

When they stop spending...it's gonna hurt....everyone. It already has.

If you sell flowers, organize weddings, etc., every dollar not spent is going to hurt....someone.

Probably you, or your neighbor, or your best friend.

I wish they would stop greasing the wheels....adding another keg to the party but....when they do....(stop)....it's gonna hurt.

It's gonna hurt more 2, 5 and 10 years from now if they don't stop today...and every day they don't (stop)...it's gonna hurt more (2, 5 and 10 years from now).

Whether you have a lot, or a little, it's gonna hurt some. If you have a lot...it's gonna hurt a little. If you have little...it's gonna hurt a lot.

Pick your poison.

As for me...I'd like it to be over with but...if you thought that those that have, were taking over the game before....just imagine how it's gonna look when they own the game....and they will (they already do).

I wouldn't want to be the Prez at this moment in history.

It's not an easy target to hit at the moment...I'd sure as hell hate to be the guy with the rifle.

There isn't a winning plan.





joether -> RE: Simple math (7/20/2012 1:25:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Ok.. lets duke it out over this.

Simple math tells us that when you have a shortage, you cut back on services you use, and you gain more income.

Seems pretty straight forward.

Yet, here we have people saying we need to offer tax breaks (cutting out income) while tightening up on services that really dont amount to much (like a half million in food stamps)

If we look at the US income and services amount.

We cut back on services by 0.003125% (500 million divided by 16 trillion).. and then you cut back on taxes (which is the income).

Exactly how does that work, mathematically?

WASHINGTON — The U.S. House rejected Rep. Betty McCollum's attempts to trim Department of Defense spending on sports sponsorships and military bands on Wednesday night.

The House defeated two McCollum-backed amendments meant to cut Defense spending by about $260 million. McCollum has pushed for similar spending cuts over the past year, but none have passed.

When it comes to sports sponsorships, McCollum wants to cut the $72.3 million the Pentagon uses to sponsor NASCAR teams, the Ultimate Fighting Championship, National Hot Rod Association drag racing and bass fishing tournaments. She teamed up with Georgia Republican Rep. Jack Kingston to push the cuts, but the House rejected them 202-216.

McCollum has questioned the recruiting effectiveness of Pentagon sports sponsorships (Kingston pointed to this USA Today article in which the National Guard said its Earnhardt sponsorship produced 24,800 interested potential recruits, but only 20 were qualified candidates and zero signed up), but objection to the bill, which came from a cast of southern Republicans during floor debate, centered on the ill effects of removing the Armed Services from the public eye by reducing its marketing budget.

"These sponsorships provide the ability to market and create branding opportunities and familiarity with the service branches in areas where market research shows that the target audience spends its time," Rep. Steven Palazzo (R-Miss.) said, calling NASCAR fans, "very patriotic, very pro-military fan base, and are extremely loyal to sponsors of teams and drivers. This is exactly who we want joining our U.S. military."



http://www.minnpost.com/dc-dispatches/2012/07/house-again-rejects-mccollums-pentagon-nascar-spending-cuts

This is but ONE example of the insanity of our government.

According to what I read here.. we NEED to cut millions from the hungry.. yet we NEED to keep suooprting a NASCAR team that the Pentagon doesnt even want anymore?

but the House rejected them 202-216.

I dont care who voted on this measure... its fucking insane.

So, what I want is someone to explain the insanity to me. Explain how, with all the hits to women, children and the poor, with the demands to prevent birth control and face a possible future of exploding polulation, anyone can accept the cuts to food stamps alone and back this crazy shit of supporting a racing car?

It will be interesting to see who dodges this question


I'll be as interested in seeing thoughtful (not baseless) responses.

Stupid expenses are ridiculous...and...without validity.
NASCAR sponsorships (in my estimation) certainly fill that bill.

But, remember, if you're a concrete installer, every dollar that doesn't go out to a govt. employee (Nascar racer/coca cola seller, etc.) is one less dollar that (they) have to buy a new concrete deck in their backyard.

I'm a HUUUUUGE supporter of stopping waste but, every "wasted" dollar goes out to someone who spends money.

When they stop spending...it's gonna hurt....everyone. It already has.

If you sell flowers, organize weddings, etc., every dollar not spent is going to hurt....someone.

Probably you, or your neighbor, or your best friend.

I wish they would stop greasing the wheels....adding another keg to the party but....when they do....(stop)....it's gonna hurt.

It's gonna hurt more 2, 5 and 10 years from now if they don't stop today...and every day they don't (stop)...it's gonna hurt more (2, 5 and 10 years from now).

Whether you have a lot, or a little, it's gonna hurt some. If you have a lot...it's gonna hurt a little. If you have little...it's gonna hurt a lot.

Pick your poison.

As for me...I'd like it to be over with but...if you thought that those that have, were taking over the game before....just imagine how it's gonna look when they own the game....and they will (they already do).

I wouldn't want to be the Prez at this moment in history.

It's not an easy target to hit at the moment...I'd sure as hell hate to be the guy with the rifle.

There isn't a winning plan.


Just goes to show that simply math is hard to come by for some conservatives to understand tazzy.




Moonhead -> RE: Simple math (7/20/2012 4:13:08 AM)

I'm wondering if a few of the sports named might be seen by some of the Republican element in the house as the sort of bread and circuses that'll appeal to the teabagger massive, and so need to be kept funded, whereas people on food stamps are all freeloading parasites who vote democrat?

Or does that sound too sane as an explanation for this sort of nonsense?




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