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Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 8:31:16 AM

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My contention is that the 2012 election is nothing more than a referendum on Obama and that his opponent really doesn't matter. Yeah, I know that Romney was billed as being the most appealing to independents, but I honestly think that he's pretty much a cipher.

So, how about you?

1. If you plan to vote for Obama, could you have been enticed to vote GOP if another candidate (say, Huntsman or Johnson) had been selected?
2. If you plan to vote against Obama, could another candidate have been awful enough for you to vote for Obama or stay home?

I'll go first. I will vote for Obama, but Huntsman might have given me some real thinking to do.

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 8:39:51 AM

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Steven, in 2000, I could have been persuaded to vote for a good GOP candidate. I even took McCain seriously then.

But the last 12 years have me very, very leary of the the party itself, regardless of candidate. They've become nuts, and march in lockstep. They're a real threat, and I can't risk sending people to office to advance the party agenda, even if I otherwise like the candidate.

Not that I'm faced with the dilemma. They're running mainly loonies.

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 8:46:15 AM

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You act as though its over

The left doesnt have a death grip on the media any longer so this is far from over. The debates will help decide, and they wont all be on MSNBC (hopefully at least). Romney SEEMS to be a real fighter, and isnt afraid (like McCain was) to take it to Obama on account of his skin color

Romney will hit Obama right between the eyes hard, figuratively speaking. He will knock Obama on his ass and then kick him in his teeth if the trends I am seeing hold

So yes it does matter that its Romney

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 8:46:34 AM

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The reason I always liked and respected Huntsman was his views not being that far off the chart. When it became clear that others like The Hermantor and Bachman actually won in a few places, I knew Huntsman had no chance.

I have even more respect for Huntsman now due to this: "I will not be attending this year's convention, nor any Republican convention in the future, until the party focuses on a bigger, bolder, more confident future for the United States – a future based on problem solving, inclusiveness, and a willingness to address the trust deficit, which is every bit as corrosive as our fiscal and economic deficits," Huntsman said in a statement, reported first by the Salt Lake Tribune.

A true cross over candidate, rare, VERY RARE!

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 8:47:31 AM

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Mitt isn't a candidate I have been able to work up a lot of enthusiasm for, but he's not the dealbreaker a hard fundy would have been.

President Obama is not, and has never been, up to the job he talked his way into. The country will be better off with him back in Chicago, scooping the Bo poo off the Rezco Lawn, and cashing checks for making speeches.

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 8:53:56 AM

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If not for his choice of a running mate, I would have voted for McCain last time. Something about Palin gave me the creeps, and, while I know some of you who dissect politics (and do very well at it I might add) will probably think that is not reason enough to change a vote, I listen to the voices in my head.

So, my first vote was more against something, rather than for something. If I vote this time, it will be the same. I will either vote for Obama again, because he has left a little bit less of a bad taste in my mouth, or I will vote for Ron Paul in protest of not feeling that either other choice will make a difference in the long run.

The last candidate I got behind fully was Perot, I walked the neighborhood and gathered signatures and really thought that he would be awesome. I had worked for EDS, when he was still in charge, and the way he ran a company made me think that he could run a country. We all know how his campaign ended.

So, yes, if there was a republican running that I felt strongly would do more good than harm, I would vote for him or her. Romney has done nothing to make me see him as anything more than your every day run of the mill politician though, and, given the choice between him and Obama, I gotta go with Obama.

The thing I do like about Obama is I sense him to be sincere about his wanting to do good for this country. I do not agree with all the decisions he has made, but, I believe he has done the best he could, and, he does not come across to me as acting a part, where Romney does.

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 9:04:05 AM

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Mitt isn't a candidate I have been able to work up a lot of enthusiasm for, but he's not the dealbreaker a hard fundy would have been.

President Obama is not, and has never been, up to the job he talked his way into. The country will be better off with him back in Chicago, scooping the Bo poo off the Rezco Lawn, and cashing checks for making speeches.

Before you said he didn't have experience. Now he does.

;-)

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 9:14:37 AM

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And WEVE got experience as well

He is no longer the nice man reading the teleprompter very nicely, now he is the guy who spends all of his days on jetting around the planet on fantastic vacation getaways and hitting the golf course while lecturing us about how we must sacrifice

He is the guy who promised he wouldnt raise taxes than raised them well over five hundred billion, and added the little surprise where we have to prove compliance with Obamacare on our tax forms

He is the guy who railed against wars but has now continued Bushs wars AND has given Egypt and Libya etc to radical Islamic groups, and assassinates Americans and others who he personally fingers on his secrets enemies hit list. No judge, no jury, no Congress - just him

Yep, weve got experience too

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Before you said he didn't have experience. Now he does.

;-)

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 9:17:08 AM

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And WEVE got experience as well

He is no longer the nice man reading the teleprompter very nicely, now he is the guy who spends all of his days on jetting around the planet on fantastic vacation getaways and hitting the golf course while lecturing us about how we must sacrifice

He is the guy who promised he wouldnt raise taxes than raised them well over five hundred billion, and added the little surprise where we have to prove compliance with Obamacare on our tax forms

He is the guy who railed against wars but has now continued Bushs wars AND has given Egypt and Libya etc to radical Islamic groups, and assassinates Americans and others who he personally fingers on his secrets enemies hit list. No judge, no jury, no Congress - just him

Yep, weve got experience too

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Before you said he didn't have experience. Now he does.

;-)

This is yur justification for supporting Romeny?....Really?

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 9:23:44 AM

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Just Obama and the Dems direction on the deficit is reason enough to support "change we can hope for" from someone else, Mark.

Throw in all the new IRS agents, the way Obama and the Dems are purposely using race and income levels (class warfare) to try to divide Americans, and everything else... Its a shoe in.

Romney for President!

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 9:26:55 AM

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Much as I hate them, I would have continued the wars as well. Picking up and booking isn't a favorable option; the neo-cons saw to that. As soon as possible, yes, but we'll going to have infrastructure there forever. McCain was right about that.

We don't need to keep repeating this. I think we're in agreement on the basic facts: Bush sucked. Obama is Bush Lite. Romney is Bush on steroids. That's enough for me right there. Health Care is long overdue, and there's a clear difference there. The Supreme Court is a political weapon these days, so the D and the R mean everything as far as appointments, of which we can expect a couple, due to aging justices. And while I would have considered a strong Republican candidate, the GOP has done a thorough job of becoming a lock step party since 2000, making it dangerous to put a Republican candidate I'd otherwise like in office, any office, as another vote for their agenda. Even their dissenters aren't encouraging--the moderate ones are suppressed, and the even nuttier ones have followings. I agree with those who say "What happened to the Republican Party?" I watched it start when Reagan embraced Falwell and the RR. That turned me to Democrats, not as a strong supporter, but to stop something I believe is truly dangerous. When this phase of history finally ends, I'll be back to being an independent. Those are my positions. You don't need to agree with them.

Further, I'm always fascinated by the strong rhetoric from right-leaning posters who don't realize that their anti-outsourcing anti-NAFTA bring-jobs-here rhetoric is a longstanding leftist position--it's what organized labor wants. Further ironically is that I'm actually a strong supporter of free trade and globalization--I think it needs much more meaningful international law, but is overall beneficial and would be more so if we recognized reality and worked with it instead of putting up barriers that only slow our own economy.

So again, no need to go on the attack--that's my position, it has been for a long time, and it's why, despite my disagreement over tax cuts, civil liberties, and my unhappiness with continued war, I find Obama the better choice. And I LIKE that he's respectful to foreign leaders.

P.S. Add to this that Romney has no plans, at least none he's sharing, just the vague hope that things will magically get better. No thanks.

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 9:33:30 AM

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Nowhere near as bad as Gore / Kerry / Obama (which is why Bushy got the nod from voters).

Had Gore won his home state of Tennessee the Florida debacle where the Dems wanted to count and recount until they won would never have mattered

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 9:37:17 AM

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Well, neither Gore nor Kerry are running.

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 9:37:24 AM

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I probably would have voted for Ron Paul.

Mitt and his wife have not a clue about what I want/need/worry about in my life and I find him hypocritical about Obamacare when Romneycare was pretty much the same thing. Add the rumor that he's considering Meg Whitman for VP.....and I wouldn't pee on him to put him out if he was on fire.

Obama is the lesser of two evils, but I find claiming Executive privilege on the Fast and Furious thing to be truly disturbing.

So, at this point, I'm seriously conflicted. There are no good choices. They're all so much more concerned with political power and gaining the upper hand, rather than doing what is actually right.

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 9:39:03 AM

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You act as though its over

The left doesnt have a death grip on the media any longer so this is far from over. The debates will help decide, and they wont all be on MSNBC (hopefully at least). Romney SEEMS to be a real fighter, and isnt afraid (like McCain was) to take it to Obama on account of his skin color

Romney will hit Obama right between the eyes hard, figuratively speaking. He will knock Obama on his ass and then kick him in his teeth if the trends I am seeing hold

So yes it does matter that its Romney

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Romney has been losing ground steadily in all the battleground states, mostly because he is simply not very likable and the Obama campaign has crushed him on Bain. If Romney was going to 'hit back' he and his surrogates would be doing so.

Romney has no chance in the debates and his best remaining hope is for the economy to crash again.

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 9:41:55 AM

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quote:

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You act as though its over

The left doesnt have a death grip on the media any longer so this is far from over. The debates will help decide, and they wont all be on MSNBC (hopefully at least). Romney SEEMS to be a real fighter, and isnt afraid (like McCain was) to take it to Obama on account of his skin color

Romney will hit Obama right between the eyes hard, figuratively speaking. He will knock Obama on his ass and then kick him in his teeth if the trends I am seeing hold

So yes it does matter that its Romney

Not certain why you infer that I think it's over.

Your answer is interesting. I was thinking of a candidate as an image and set of stances. Your answer thinks of Romney in terms of his tactics, not his image. Not what I expected, but it made me think.

That said, I think of Romney as a fighter perhaps more then Huntsman, but less than Gingrich, Santorum, and Cain.

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 9:44:30 AM

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Are you impressed that Obama is a serial liar?

Obama earned 4 Pinocchios from the far left Washington Post re Bain

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/4-pinocchios-for-obamas-newest-anti-romney-ad/2012/06/20/gJQAGux6qV_blog.html

...And ABC has joined the chorus, asking for Obama to be more truthful

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Undeterred by independent fact-checkers that have debunked the thrust of their claims, the Obama campaign is redoubling attacks on Mitt Romney as an "outsourcer" in a new TV ad airing in eight battleground states.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-ad-calls-romney-problem-job-losses-china-211558697--abc-news-politics.html

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Romney has been losing ground steadily in all the battleground states, mostly because he is simply not very likable and the Obama campaign has crushed him on Bain. If Romney was going to 'hit back' he and his surrogates would be doing so.

Romney has no chance in the debates and his best remaining hope is for the economy to crash again.

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 9:45:23 AM

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Gov. Romney earned my vote the day he said he would strike down Obamacare.

I don't like either one of them but I like someone who will ..."defend the constitution" (I think I read those words, somewhere) instead of bastardizing it to fit a totalitarian socialist agenda.

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 9:57:28 AM

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Thomas,

I believe in PPACA, I thought the stimulus, although too small, was the right thing to do. I also believe in Gay Marriage, I believe we can't fix anything by only cutting the services the public pays for. I believe that the capital gains tax as income is an unfair advantage for those who get a lower tax rate on much higher earnings. I support pulling out of Afghanistan(wish it was faster) I don't believe in the massive amount of money spent for armaments we hope to NOT USE. I believe he was correct in his attempts to close Gitmo, I believe that we need consensus, I believe Obama has worked hard to achieve these things.I don't believe that the only purpose of the Opposition(right or left) is to obstruct the programs in hopes of making a President a one term President. I don't believe that religion and politics should mix, I don't believe that we are a failure waiting to happen. I have a much longer list if you want me to share, but there are reasons for my support, not just disliking Romney.

Yet all I ever hear is a personal dislike for the President, that our freedom is somehow in danger, yet I see no evidence, I don't believe that the correct answer to everything is NO, to every idea by anyone who I generally oppose. All I ever get in response is name calling directed to the man who is in the White house, never policy discussions, never anything about what it is the Romney has planned after the first day. More of the same from the same places! All I have seen from Romney is I will do this or that but NEVER HOW he will, and I get no argument based on what he will do aside from vague, simplistic answers based on a dislike for Obama.

Please, give me chapter and verse on the "Hows" involved with Governor Romney, not just insults directed at the President, I'd seriously love to hear them!

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 9:59:49 AM

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Gov. Romney earned my vote the day he said he would strike down Obamacare.

I don't like either one of them but I like someone who will ..."defend the constitution" (I think I read those words, somewhere) instead of bastardizing it to fit a totalitarian socialist agenda.

He was the founder of Romneycare......

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