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Marc2b -> I'm Feeling Violent Again! (6/21/2012 1:01:26 PM)

BECAUSE SOME THINGS REALLY PISS THE LIVING HELL OUT OF ME!!!!!



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I am not going to post a link to the video because it involves children and I'm not sure how that would brush up against TOS.

I will tell you to go to YouTube and enter the following search terms: bus monitor bullied

I won't blame you if you don't have the stomach to watch the whole thing... I couldn't!





Lockit -> RE: I'm Feeling Violent Again! (6/21/2012 1:10:19 PM)

I saw a bit of this on the news this morning. I can't think of a punishment for the children or their parents that will actually be done, that I would think worthy of this.

People have set up a fund for this lady so she can take a vacation. You know at her age, she was doing this job because she needed the money or used to love kids. I hope she can get what she needs and really have a retirement, with some comfort and joy. They sure don't make kids like they used to because parents have given up parenting. I can see my kids or grand kids doing many things... but cannot see them doing anything like this. However, I can see them wanting to or actually beating up those that did. For that... even if expelled from school.. they would be getting a treat from me.




hausboy -> RE: I'm Feeling Violent Again! (6/21/2012 1:14:39 PM)

I can't watch the video..it's too horrible. The lady is hard of hearing, but she said in an interview one of the kids said to her: "You're so ugly your kids should kill themselves" She then stated that her son had killed himself a number of years ago--doesn't really matter if the kid who said that knew it or not, that woman deserves to retire and live as good a life as she can. MSN reported that almost 200K has been raised so far--I hope they raise more so that she can stop working for those wretched vermin.




Lockit -> RE: I'm Feeling Violent Again! (6/21/2012 1:27:07 PM)

Where was the bus driver? The bus driver does nothing? I would have driven that bus right to the police station if nothing else. I can't see myself allowing that to continue in my presence. I think the bus driver has some responsibility in this.




Marc2b -> RE: I'm Feeling Violent Again! (6/21/2012 1:44:03 PM)

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Where was the bus driver?


A lot of people have been asking that question. My guess is the driver did nothing for fear of loosing his/her job and/or a lawsuit if he/she laid so much as a finger on the little darlings or even said anything that might damage their fragile self esteem.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: I'm Feeling Violent Again! (6/21/2012 2:03:55 PM)

There is a good possibility that the driver did not know what was happening. The reason monitors are placed on buses is because driving a bus should take 100% of your attention.

I really hope that these kids are made examples of. having family members that are bus drivers and monitors, I know that nowadays anyone (my self included some days) that works for a school system, feels helpless about dealing with out of control children. Too many times, the parents will come and take the side of the kid, and, if a child fears no consequences from home, they, most of the time, have no motivation to behave.

When I was in 7th grade, I got one helluva bad attitude with my bus driver one day. She grabbed me by the collar of my shirt and put me off the bus. I walked the 3 miles or so home, and mom asked why I was late and I told her. We got in the car, and drove to the school, me thinking hot dawg they gonna be sorry. When we got in the principals office, mom asked him what happened, and he told her. Mom told him that she understood totally, but she asked that if it ever happen again, they call her to come get me, because part of the walk home was through a good stretch of woods and over some railroad tracks.

She then took me home, got a hickory and wore my ass out good for being a little bitch. No fun for a month or so, and an apology note written to the bus driver. She also let me know that if she did have to come get me because of this behavior again, I would not be happy with the consequences.

Today, the parent would more than likely come to the school and ask to see the principal, then talk about how her kid wasn't serious or some such.

I would love to see the parents of these kids on tv washing their mouths out with soap or wearing their ass out, but then someone would whine about us damaging the kids self esteem or some such.

I feel ya call to violence Marc, I can not wait to see what happens to these little assholes, who are probably criminals in training.




Lockit -> RE: I'm Feeling Violent Again! (6/21/2012 2:41:55 PM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw95YFL3mYU&feature=related

This is a comment video on the making the bus monitor cry. Its the best one I've seen so far and clearly of age. A young man with a lot to say and I think I like him very much.




littlewonder -> RE: I'm Feeling Violent Again! (6/21/2012 4:10:49 PM)

When I was a teenager this was a regular occurrence pretty much every single day on our bus but we never had monitors, instead it would happen to the bus driver and to each other. Most of the time the driver just ignored them and kept driving. Other times they would pull over and either kick the kids off the bus or stay there until everyone settled down. It would happen between the kids as well but it was always ignored by the driver and other students. I can remember kids beating each other in the aisle. Nothing ever happened to anyone though. It's one of the reasons I stopped riding the buses and rode my bike to school.

Back then you pulled up your big girl/boy panties and dealt with it and if you didn't then you were considered the little fish in a big pond. I can remember the few times when it was reported to the principal at the school, the principal would usually just tell the one being bullied to stand up for themselves next time, give the bully a warning and send them on their way.

While i think bullying is a bad thing, I also kinda wonder if maybe we've coddled our kids and even adults instead of letting them work it out on their own. I don't understand why the woman didn't get out of her seat, approach the driver, tell him to pull over so something could be done. That's what bus monitors are for. That's why they are put on the buses.

As for the driver, he probably figured she's the bus monitor. It's her job as bus monitor to take care of such problems. It's not his job. His job is to drive the bus. He most likely was not even paying attention to the students because he needs to watch the road. The monitor is to take care of the students. That's why they are placed on buses these days. There were too many accidents happening because of the rowdiness of students and the driver having to keep his eye on the road AND the students.






Lockit -> RE: I'm Feeling Violent Again! (6/21/2012 4:43:56 PM)

I question whether the monitor had the wherewithal to be able to deal with her job. That is something that the driver should be aware of. Bus drivers have been working for decades and dealing with unruly children. The one's I knew... took care of business, as well as the kids on the bus, making sure someone stood up and was heard when something was going wrong. We are dealing with a different time... a time where a driver or monitor putting a kid off a bus would have serious ramifications. This situation, wasn't just one or two things that are going wrong. The monitor couldn't stand up for herself and maybe not able to control the bus full of kids, but the driver... cannot be so busy driving that they cannot know something of what is going on back there and is the only other adult that can say that something is wrong... the monitor isn't able to do her job. I find it hard to believe this type of bullying, harassment and law breaking could go to the point of this severity in one big swoop.

Standing up and walking through that crowd of boys that were already hitting her earring aid and touching her, with threatening her with physical harm... might not have been something even a younger and able bodied person would do.

I don't believe in coddling... but I do believe in parenting. That is where we seem to be doing the coddling.

In any time... anyone that has a child being harassed or rides a bike rather than takes a dangerous bus ride... ought to have parents that find out why their child doesn't want to ride the bus and big panties or not... take an active role in taking care of the problem. I do believe kids need to learn to manage themselves in tough situations, but... there is a role I play as a parent and that is to determine what they can handle and what the adults should handle. Anything as extreme as fighting in the bus and no one is paying attention... it is time for adult interaction.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: I'm Feeling Violent Again! (6/21/2012 5:07:24 PM)

The monitor had been a driver for many years before becoming a monitor recently, maybe 3ish years ago, if I recall correctly.




Lockit -> RE: I'm Feeling Violent Again! (6/21/2012 5:13:35 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

The monitor had been a driver for many years before becoming a monitor recently, maybe 3ish years ago, if I recall correctly.


I haven't heard that yet... but it is clear, she couldn't handle that situation. The bus drivers I knew... would have tossed those boys aside, had the driver pull over or go back to the school or something. They wouldn't have taken that! lol This is what makes me think she wasn't able to do her job and may have needed some assistance or someone noticing there was a problem. She told reporters that she couldn't hear what all the kids were saying to her and didn't know all they were saying until she saw the video of it.

Still I am not laying blame anywhere but where those kids were sitting. I think a lot went wrong and there may be lots of reasons for it...

Thankfully, I have seen one parent of one of those boys and he said he is heart broken over it. He thinks counseling will help. Yeah... right over the fucking knee counseling.. might do the trick.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: I'm Feeling Violent Again! (6/21/2012 5:22:00 PM)

I automatically figured it was a special needs bus when I first heard the story, since that is the only type that actually gets monitors in the district I work in. I may spend some time reading about it tonight.

As for the over the knee therapy, uh huh, and maybe a mouth washing out with some Lava soap. I can speak from experience that Lava is not the soap you want to be handy when ya get ya mouth washed out!![:'(]




MercTech -> RE: I'm Feeling Violent Again! (6/21/2012 5:55:17 PM)

The pattern of allowing such behavior in schools leads to violence.
Yep, but bullies learn that abusive behavior is tolerated if not condoned as the victims are accused of causing it in the first place "just stand up for yourself, etc."

I remember the discussions after the Columbine shootings.

http://news.slashdot.org/story/99/04/25/1438249/voices-from-the-hellmouth




littlewonder -> RE: I'm Feeling Violent Again! (6/21/2012 7:23:30 PM)

I think this bus monitor should really consider this job if she can't handle these kids. I think maybe the school should reevaluate her position as well. She obviously does not have the wherewithal to do the job. I am hoping that this incident makes the woman really maker her consider if she has the competency for being a bus monitor.




littlewonder -> RE: I'm Feeling Violent Again! (6/21/2012 10:41:47 PM)

Now that I've seen a few other reports on this tonight, I don't think she'll have to worry about reevaluating. Seems she's got a tidy $350,000 that people online have raised for her, enough for her to retire and not have to be concerned about this any longer.




yourdarkdesire -> RE: I'm Feeling Violent Again! (6/21/2012 10:53:05 PM)

I hope that the parents are thoroughly ashamed of not only their children, but themselves for the obviously lacking parenting skill demonstrated.




Kirata -> RE: I'm Feeling Violent Again! (6/21/2012 11:06:26 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: yourdarkdesire

I hope that the parents are thoroughly ashamed of not only their children, but themselves for the obviously lacking parenting skill demonstrated.

If the parents were of a type to be shamed by that kind of behavior it probably wouldn't have occurred in the first place, and I somehow doubt they would quite understand what "parenting skills" means.

K.






Lucylastic -> RE: I'm Feeling Violent Again! (6/22/2012 4:12:08 AM)

Toronto man raises over $440,000 for bullied elderly bus monitor
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto-man-raises-over-440000-for-bullied-elderly-bus-monitor/article4359580/
The episode, an illustration of the powers of the Internet to hurt and then redeem, began when Max Sidorov saw a video of the bullying that had gone viral.

Mr. Sidorov then went online to raise money to comfort the woman and, by early Friday, raised more than $440,000 and turned himself and the bus monitor into global celebrities. The money was intended to pay for a trip, but the sum is so large that she could use part of it for her retirement, he said.

“It's been bigger than I ever thought. It’s almost insane,” Mr. Sidorov said in an interview Thursday morning. “I just had an idea. People just took it and ran with it.”
Edited to add, this was on the front page of my local news and given just to show the amount has risen quite a bit overnight as it were...




Marc2b -> RE: I'm Feeling Violent Again! (6/22/2012 8:33:01 AM)

Okay, now that I'm over my initial outrage, now that time has allowed reason to temper emotion and I'm past the "hang 'em by their ankles and dip them in boiling oil!" stage... I've a few more comments on the matter.

The fact that the bus driver may not have known what was going on is possible, but I don't know how probable it is... so I'm going to reserve judgment on the bus driver until we hear from him or her (I don't even know if it is a him or her, I've heard nothing on the bus driver).

I'm also going to reserve judgment on the parents for the time being. It is easy to say that they must be bad parents but the truth is that even kids of good parents go off the rails now and then. How the parents react to this will tell us what kind of parents they are. I know that if it were my kid, the first thing I would say to them is "kiss your summer vacation good bye. Ya know, there are some home improvement projects we've been putting off and I'm thinking now is the time to start them. You can also kiss the television, your radio and computer goodbye for the summer. I'm going to let you keep your cell phone though, since you're stupid enough to record your own wrong doing and post it online."

Concerning the notion the bullying is a part of growing up and kids need to learn to stand up for themselves: There is some truth to that, but only to a limited extent. There is a difference between dealing with one or two bullies and several of them... especially if they are bigger and stronger than you. While kids do need to learn to stand up for themselves the bullies among us also need to learn that we are living in a society and that there are rules of behavior that are demanded... or so the theory goes. We haven't been demanding that from the bullies. We haven't been backing it up. Fear of litigation is no doubt a major factor in that but it remains baffling to me that we, as a society, tolerate behavior from kids that would never be tolerated in the adult world and would result in arrest and lawsuits if it happened in the workplace.

A "leave it be, let them stand up for themselves" attitude can also lead to greater tragedy if the victim decides that increased violence is the only way they will find safety and peace of mind. Most of the school shooters were bullied kids... relentlessly bullied kids. While I certainly don't condone the actions of school shooters... I do understand them. My own experience could have led to greater tragedy. No, I'm not saying that I ever considered shooting up my school (not seriously, anyway) but things culminated in what could have resulted in greater tragedy.

I was one of the relentlessly bullied in Junior High School (for you youngsters out there, that's what we used to call Middle School). I experienced it all: the viscous taunts, the shoves, the vandalism of my property, the swirlees (and there is nothing fucking funny about them), the beatings, etc. Help was not available. My mother's advice was "just ignore them." Uh-huh. My father's advice was to tell them to meet me behind the bleachers after school where we could settle it "man to man." He didn't understand that the bullies didn't do one on one... they preferred seven on one. There was no point in appealing to the teachers or the principal since they had been ignoring the situation from the start... and if you even tried, that would only result in an escalation of the bullying for having broken the teenage version of omerta.

For nearly two years I took it. Then one day I finally snapped. For lunch period, the school would first have us gather in the gym and wait on the bleachers to be let into the cafeteria one row at a time. For some bizarre reason I could never figure out, they always started with the top row and worked their way down. Naturally, where one sat on the bleachers reflected one's social status. The "cool" kids (in other words, the bullies) sat on top while us losers sat on the bottom row. One day, pretending as usual that the taunts coming from above didn't bother me, someone threw a wet sucker into my hair... and that is when something in my mind said "fuck it." I plowed my way up the bleachers, grabbed the bastard that I knew had done it by the shirt and, using all my strength, threw him (not pushed, threw) him over the bleachers where hit hit the floor with a most satisfying "THUMP!" He received a broken arm and a mild concussion. My parents received a $500 medical bill and a received a two week suspension. When I returned to school, my days of being bullied were over... nobody fucked with me after that.

Now, this account may seem to support the "let them learn to stand up for themselves" theory... and to a certain extent, it does. But the situation should never have been allowed to progress so far because it could have turned out much worse... instead of a broken arm that kid could have just as easily ended up with a broken neck. Instead of a mild concussion he could have ended up with a fractured skull. He could have ended up paralyzed or even dead. At the time I probably wouldn't have given a shit but now, with the added perspective of thirty-five years, I know that kids do not think the way adults do and lack adult judgment. I am glad I did not seriously hurt that kid... it is a burden I am glad to do without. Which leads me to my next point.

It is easy to denounce these kids a viscous bastards, etc, etc... but nobody comes out of the womb a moral saint. I'm willing to bet that there is no one (myself included) who doesn't have some incident of wrong doing, of cruelty even, in their past. Most of us feel a sense of shame when we think about it... which is good because it means that we are decent people overall (the ones who never feel any shame are the ones to watch out for). The sucker throwing bastard I gave the flying lesson to? Well, I've bumped in to him a couple of times since then and he actually turned out to be decent guy. While we as a society must not flinch from administering a proper punishment to these young men we must do so with the understanding that we are ultimately trying to save them from themselves, so that they too grow into decent people who need feel only a little shame for something they did rather an unendurable shame for something much worse. Putting a stop to bullying isn't just for the protection of the bully's victims but for the benefit of the bullies themselves.





MercTech -> RE: I'm Feeling Violent Again! (6/22/2012 8:58:07 AM)

Middle School... I remember it well

I remember being knifed in the P.E. locker rooms for acing an algebra test and blowing the curve.

Ignore a bully, encourage the violence.




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