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Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/14/2012 2:00:02 PM

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Endovan website

I'm a sceptic, especially when it comes to company's promoting their own products and I don't buy testimonials as a rule because they are too easy to fake, but if this works, it would be very worthwhile for me, personally.

Anyone tried this product? Good results?

The claim is that the product breaks down and eliminates the fibrins and passes them out of the body with zero side effects effectively 'curing' endo then can be used as a preventative to keep it at bay.

The cons - it has not been evaluated by the FDA, it's not a prescription so won't be covered by insurance but at $50 bucks a month or so (cheaper if you buy in bulk) I would use this if it works and pay the out of pocket expense.

It sounds too good to be true.. but a girl (with endo) can wish and dream.

Any input from current users would be appreciated.

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/14/2012 5:50:52 PM

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I had this disease, Lizard has it. I had 2 laps done to remove the lesions, later getting a hysterectomy. Lizard is doing the Depo shot for over a year now and has had favorable results.

I never heard of this product and unless the FDA approves it, I would not recommend it at all.

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/14/2012 7:25:36 PM

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The main ingredient is an enzyme so it falls under the category of "Dietary Supplement" and those don't go through the rigors of FDA approval.

I think if you don't have any conditions or aren't on any medications that would make Nattokinase something to avoid it might be worth a shot.

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/14/2012 7:43:25 PM

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As I understand it, endometriosis is the invasion into body tissues where they do not belong by endometrial cells from the womb. If I recall correctly, it occurs more often in women who have only a couple - too few - of pregnancies.

Hormones and hysterectomy may curb further invasions from the womb and limit the growth of such cells in tissues where they do not belong.

I do not know whether endometrial cells have any other function besides that in the womb. If not, future research may discover a way to cause an auto-immune response to these cells, causing the immune system to destroy them all. Hopefully without attacking other tissues.

I notice that on the website it is claimed that blood-clots and fibrin cause endometriosis. That is wrong, though they may perhaps contribute to the symptoms of the problem. I would distrust this product. Especially since it seems to me that an enzyme that has to be ingested is simply broken down into amino acids by the digestive system.

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/14/2012 7:52:52 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ShaharThorne

I had this disease, Lizard has it. I had 2 laps done to remove the lesions, later getting a hysterectomy. Lizard is doing the Depo shot for over a year now and has had favorable results.

I never heard of this product and unless the FDA approves it, I would not recommend it at all.

When I saw this I thought about a line I saw that said, today's drugs that have been recalled or are causing deaths an such, were at one point approved by the FDA. Or something like that, I can't remember exactly what it said.
I was talking with one of the girls today about the shot. If there is anything that can take this monthly pain away, I would do it. Geez.

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/14/2012 8:03:21 PM

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Personally, I call bullshit on their claims. However, I see no harm in you buying a months worth and seeing if you have any improvement. As someone else with endo, and adhesions, I can feel your pain (literally). Since menopause, I haven't had much trouble (at least in that area), but like I said, I feel your pain, so if you have the 50 bucks to spare, give it a shot. I don't see it working, but I don't see it causing any harm either.

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/14/2012 8:06:09 PM

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Endo has been less than thrilling, though birth control did a lot to keep it at bay, along with early diagnosis (thanks to tumor surgery!)

Sounds like a crock, and bad science to boot.

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/14/2012 8:08:12 PM

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I have not looked at the website but here is my first thought as a registered nurse.

This stuff theoretically breaks down fibrin. What happens if you un/knowingly have atherosclerosis? It would break down some of the fibrin in the plaque deposits, leading to a STROKE!!!!!

Is this single risk worth even thinking about it?

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/14/2012 8:12:55 PM

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And btw, endo is caused when uterine cells migraite outside the uterus, often up the fallopian tubes through retrograde menstuation. Fibrin and blood clots have nothing to do with it - their science is flawed and bogus.

There is NO known cause to endometiosis.

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/14/2012 8:45:29 PM

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Thank you so much for all the feedback. It sounded too good to be true and I hadn't read about it on the forums that I'm on.. it was something I ran across while looking up something else.

Yourdarkdesire - thank you especially for that information. I had never heard of that condition, so it is something I would bring up with my doctor before trying their product anyway. I got some red flags (the diss on doctors seemed over the top and unnecessary to me) but I couldn't help but get a little bit of hope up thinking there might be some miracle cure for my endo.

Damn.. I was sort of in something like 'sub frenzy' only different.

A little foolish, but I only do that about every 8 - 10 years, so I have a good track record.

Thanks again all.

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/14/2012 10:39:53 PM

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If your endo is that severe, there is a way to cure it. A hysterectomy. I perved your profile, and based on your age, what would be the reason not to have one if you are suffering so much?

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/14/2012 10:43:21 PM

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Actually, a straight hysterectomy would do nothing for her. She would have to have her ovaries removed (bilateral oopherectomy) as it is the hormones that are causing the problem.

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/14/2012 11:55:56 PM

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quote:

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If your endo is that severe, there is a way to cure it. A hysterectomy. I perved your profile, and based on your age, what would be the reason not to have one if you are suffering so much?

Well, the pain used to be intermittent and I wasn't willing to risk having my sex organs taken out to alleviate part-time trouble. The last couple of years though have been increasingly painful and getting more frequent so it's something that I'm seriously reconsidering if I can't find some other viable alternative. I am hoping that as my post-menopausal insomnia and hot flashes decrease that the pain will start to ease up and eventually stop.

Everything I have read on this subject indicates that 95% of the time, endo symptons go away post-menopause. Technically, I'm post-menopause (will be two years in August) so I'm willing to wait a bit longer and see if things ease enough that surgery won't be necessary. I'm certainly not going to wait forever and if I weren't a masochist, I'd probably have had the surgery at least 5 years ago. I'm finding a limit with just how much pain I'm able to handle with this though and it's starting to effect other things (such as getting an endo attack while I'm cooking as happened this evening). Surgery .. It's not out of the question but it's a last resort for sure.

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/14/2012 11:58:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: yourdarkdesire

Actually, a straight hysterectomy would do nothing for her. She would have to have her ovaries removed (bilateral oopherectomy) as it is the hormones that are causing the problem.

Yes, correct. I'd have to have my ovaries removed and it's something my doctor has put on the table as one of my alternatives. Up to now, I've nixed it. Female castration.. it's neither my fetish nor my fantasy.

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/15/2012 12:00:44 AM

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On the other hand, it greatly reduces your risk of ovarian cancer!

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/15/2012 12:09:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: yourdarkdesire

On the other hand, it greatly reduces your risk of ovarian cancer!

A very valid concern as my mother and my grandmothers on both sides all had bouts of cancer and my mother specifically dealt with ovarian and cervical cancer and had a partial hysto a few days after my birth then a complete hysto when I was around 12 so she was around.. 33 at that time.

eta: The mother turned into a complete, raving lunatic after her surgery.. something from which she never recovered and the last thing I would want would be to turn into the mother!

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/15/2012 12:16:04 AM

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with a history like that, have you considered genetic testing to see if you carry a marker for ovarian cancer? My girlfriend was in the same boat, positive for the ovarian marker, and had a complete hysterectomy at age 32. Her sister was positive for a breat cancer gene and had both breasts removed as a prevention. Just a thought.

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/15/2012 12:21:18 AM

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ORIGINAL: yourdarkdesire

with a history like that, have you considered genetic testing to see if you carry a marker for ovarian cancer? My girlfriend was in the same boat, positive for the ovarian marker, and had a complete hysterectomy at age 32. Her sister was positive for a breat cancer gene and had both breasts removed as a prevention. Just a thought.

Actually, no, I hadn't.. would probably be a good idea for my daughter as well. She's had some abnormal paps and it's something her doctor has been keeping on eye on since her last child was born. I'll talk to my doctor about it and see what she has to say and also speak to my daughter. She had a pretty rough go with her last pregnancy.

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/15/2012 6:06:36 AM

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Have to disagree there, as my hysterectomy left me with the ovaries, but got rid of the Endo.

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/15/2012 7:41:34 AM

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You would be neither receiving female castration or having your "sex" organs removed. Your uterus and ovaries are your reproductive organs, you use your vagina and clitoris during sex. Female castration is the removal of the clitoris.

I do realize that for many a hysterectomy they feel is taking away their womanhood. It really isn't though.

In any case, I wish you good luck.

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